Can the Heat actually put together a good offer for Donovan Mitchell?

[jbk1234]

They will be force then to take the best offer than losing him for nothing. I highly doubt the Cavs get an offer similar or close to what they gave to Utah.

And that same line of thinking is how the Heat missed out on Lillard and wasted another year of Butler.

Yeah like the Lillard rumors, the Heat will not over price for Mitchell. They will not trade Herro, Jaquez, Jokic and 3 FRP for Mitchell, not even in your dreams

He's not getting traded to the Heat so it doesn't really matter, but the Herro isn't the trade chip Heat fans think he is.

[BBallFreak]

And that same line of thinking is how the Heat missed out on Lillard and wasted another year of Butler.

Yeah like the Lillard rumors, the Heat will not over price for Mitchell. They will not trade Herro, Jaquez, Jokic and 3 FRP for Mitchell, not even in your dreams

He's not getting traded to the Heat so it doesn't really matter, but the Herro isn't the trade chip Heat fans think he is.

Most of us don't think he's much of a trade chip so please don't lump us all together like that.

[Hoops23]

And that same line of thinking is how the Heat missed out on Lillard and wasted another year of Butler.

Yeah like the Lillard rumors, the Heat will not over price for Mitchell. They will not trade Herro, Jaquez, Jokic and 3 FRP for Mitchell, not even in your dreams

He's not getting traded to the Heat so it doesn't really matter, but the Herro isn't the trade chip Heat fans think he is.

Mitchell will be traded to the team he wants to resign, unless the Cavs will let him go for nothing. This is not the same as the Lillard situation last off-season coz Dame has at least 3yrs left in his contract.

[BBallFreak]

Yeah like the Lillard rumors, the Heat will not over price for Mitchell. They will not trade Herro, Jaquez, Jokic and 3 FRP for Mitchell, not even in your dreams

He's not getting traded to the Heat so it doesn't really matter, but the Herro isn't the trade chip Heat fans think he is.

Mitchell will be traded to the team he wants to resign, unless the Cavs will let him go for nothing. This is not the same as the Lillard situation last off-season coz Dame has at least 3yrs left in his contract.

I will remind you of Kawhi Lenard being traded from San Antonio to Toronto

[jayjaysee]

Part of me feels like if Miami doesn’t think Mitchell/Butler/Bam is enough to go all in for, maybe it’s time to reset/retool..

[DowJones]

Yeah like the Lillard rumors, the Heat will not over price for Mitchell. They will not trade Herro, Jaquez, Jokic and 3 FRP for Mitchell, not even in your dreams

He's not getting traded to the Heat so it doesn't really matter, but the Herro isn't the trade chip Heat fans think he is.

Mitchell will be traded to the team he wants to resign, unless the Cavs will let him go for nothing. This is not the same as the Lillard situation last off-season coz Dame has at least 3yrs left in his contract.

JJJ/Herro/3 unprotected 1’s IS the discount price if Mitchell doesn’t extend. Cleveland would never accept that deal if Mitchell wanted to stay. Even that deal could be beat by the Nets or Lakers, imo.

I can understand if Miami doesn’t want Mitchell. They have Rozier at that position and they may feel the upgrade isn’t worth it.

[louc1970]

It’s weird to say Brooklyn is terrible. They need a lead offensive piece. If they traded for Mitchell, they’d have that. They could then trade for another offensive piece if they wanted to try and push to true contender. They have the assets to add two pieces this summer if they go that route. Once they pay Claxton and trade for Mitchell, there’s no more free agency dreams so they’d be going “all-in” (again)

The problem with the Nets is they have 2-1/2 starters WITH Mitchell (Bridges/Claxton).
No foreseeable PG, PF or significant backups (Johnson/Thomas). To get Mitchell they will need to trade away the remaining decent pieces they have.
Mitchell should stay with the Cavs and the Cavs move forward moving off of Garland/Struss.

I went back and forth earlier, but Brooklyn has the ability to trade for more than just one piece.. And they have DFS, the two Cams (I think Thomas isn’t good and Johnson is overrated here, but a good player), Dennis, Sharpe and some raw young rookies. But “MLE”, Dennis and Sharpe being your first three off the bench would seem to be a good enough start to a respectable bench..

So you stack up Simmons, one of DFS or Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas, maybe the prospects, 7 firsts (a few with very nice upside variance), some swaps.. and you have enough for Mitchell and another really great player.

Could be Murray, Lauri, could be Pascal refuses to sign with Indiana and you work out a sign and trade. Similar could be a less exciting Demar sign and trade..

Basically Nets give away everything to sign Mitchell and have him play with Bridges and 6 guys named Mo.
Not enticing to Mitchell. He can make the money anywhere. And he would leave if a trade happened prior to FA.

[BBallFreak]

He's not getting traded to the Heat so it doesn't really matter, but the Herro isn't the trade chip Heat fans think he is.

Mitchell will be traded to the team he wants to resign, unless the Cavs will let him go for nothing. This is not the same as the Lillard situation last off-season coz Dame has at least 3yrs left in his contract.

JJJ/Herro/3 unprotected 1’s IS the discount price if Mitchell doesn’t extend. Cleveland would never accept that deal if Mitchell wanted to stay. Even that deal could be beat by the Nets or Lakers, imo.

I can understand if Miami doesn’t want Mitchell. They have Rozier at that position and they may feel the upgrade isn’t worth it.

I think you'll be hard pressed to find a package better than that, but good luck. I'm not feeling it for Miami, personally. Love the player but he doesn't fit with Rozier and I believe Rozier is heavily underrated.

If I'm trading Herro (who I don't value), JJJ (who I do value), and three firsts, that player better compliment what we have perfectly. And no, I don't want to hear about how worthless or future picks are. They're not. Riley and Butler will likely be gone by the time those future picks come due. Those picks could be incredibly valuable.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Rozier has a 92 TS+ with the Heat after an 89 TS+ last year.

Uhhhhhhhhhh

Sorry you set a draft pick on fire and put yourself in a worse cap spot, but Terry Rozier hasn't shown much in terms of life.

[BBallFreak]

Rozier has a 92 TS+ with the Heat after an 89 TS+ last year.

Uhhhhhhhhhh

Sorry you set a draft pick on fire and put yourself in a worse cap spot, but Terry Rozier hasn't shown much in terms of life.

Uhhhh, he struggled at first but has been coming on as of late. A trade to a new city in a new system with players in and out of the lineup isn't easy, but he's catching up. Not worried about what we gave for him. I'm quite happy with what we're seeing.

[jayjaysee]

The problem with the Nets is they have 2-1/2 starters WITH Mitchell (Bridges/Claxton).
No foreseeable PG, PF or significant backups (Johnson/Thomas). To get Mitchell they will need to trade away the remaining decent pieces they have.
Mitchell should stay with the Cavs and the Cavs move forward moving off of Garland/Struss.

I went back and forth earlier, but Brooklyn has the ability to trade for more than just one piece.. And they have DFS, the two Cams (I think Thomas isn’t good and Johnson is overrated here, but a good player), Dennis, Sharpe and some raw young rookies. But “MLE”, Dennis and Sharpe being your first three off the bench would seem to be a good enough start to a respectable bench..

So you stack up Simmons, one of DFS or Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas, maybe the prospects, 7 firsts (a few with very nice upside variance), some swaps.. and you have enough for Mitchell and another really great player.

Could be Murray, Lauri, could be Pascal refuses to sign with Indiana and you work out a sign and trade. Similar could be a less exciting Demar sign and trade..

Basically Nets give away everything to sign Mitchell and have him play with Bridges and 6 guys named Mo.
Not enticing to Mitchell. He can make the money anywhere. And he would leave if a trade happened prior to FA.

You quoted me to respond to nothing I said. Why?

Weird.

[babyjax13]

I could see San Antonio deciding that Mitchell and Wemby would run the league for the next 6-8 years, and I don't know that they'd be wrong. But can Miami put together a good offer? I think what you listed is pretty great, so if his preference is Miami and that is competitive with say ... Brooklyn ... then he probably gets traded to Miami.

But, I think this all will be moot. You don't publicly say you think he extends unless you really believe that, IMO.

[jbk1234]

I could see San Antonio deciding that Mitchell and Wemby would run the league for the next 6-8 years, and I don't know that they'd be wrong. But can Miami put together a good offer? I think what you listed is pretty great, so if his preference is Miami and that is competitive with say ... Brooklyn ... then he probably gets traded to Miami.

But, I think this all will be moot. You don't publicly say you think he extends unless you really believe that, IMO.

Eh, it's Gilbert.

[vincecarter4pres]

The Nets have:

Suns 2025
Suns 2027
76ers 2027 (1-8 protected)
Their own 2028
Own swap 2029 (obviously this doesn't have to be a swap depending on how the other 2029 picks are traded)
Mavs 2029
Suns 2029
Their own 2030
Own swap 2031

Can those 9 picks together get Mitchell and Markkanen? We'll see... Maybe with Whitehead and Cam Johnson included too...

Don’t fool yourself, easily.

Or KAT.

Or, etc.

The Nets have the assets for 2 stars while keeping Bridges, Clax and some depth and 1 or 2 reasonable potential young guys.

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm extremely confident the Nets will not sign Rudy Gobert or Kyrie Irving or Kevin Durant, lol

Curry and Butler will probably be toast by then.

SGA, Bam, and Fox are not leaving.

Brunson will sign a max with the Knicks in 2025.

I guess I left off... Jaren Jackson Jr? But I would guess he extends as well...

Luka, Embiid

You seem confident that every star will be happy with their current team or washed by the time they’re a free agent.

History tells us otherwise. Stars move around every year.

I guarantee at least 3 of those players will be wearing a new uniform come 2026.

You think a guy like luka will move from mavs? Like actually saying no to 348m to go to a bad nets team? That will never happen

Like KD and Kyrie never coming there?

Or LeBron to the Lakers?

Or Butler to Miami?

The way Kawhi and PG targeted the Clippers?

Etc., etc.

A lot of posters on here really overvalue “good” teams and oversell “bad” teams.

Location, location, location.

Owner who will spend, who will allow his GM to burn draft picks like bottle rockets, and then do right by the signed player and trade them if they want out.

A reset in said market, with said circumstances, with an often hand picked running mate?

You think having some ho hum first round team is valued by superstar free agents and trade forcers over the above?

I’m not debating whether things ultimately work out for these players to the tune of chips afterwards, but the proof is there over and over.

[vincecarter4pres]

It’s weird to say Brooklyn is terrible. They need a lead offensive piece. If they traded for Mitchell, they’d have that. They could then trade for another offensive piece if they wanted to try and push to true contender. They have the assets to add two pieces this summer if they go that route. Once they pay Claxton and trade for Mitchell, there’s no more free agency dreams so they’d be going “all-in” (again)

The problem with the Nets is they have 2-1/2 starters WITH Mitchell (Bridges/Claxton).
No foreseeable PG, PF or significant backups (Johnson/Thomas). To get Mitchell they will need to trade away the remaining decent pieces they have.
Mitchell should stay with the Cavs and the Cavs move forward moving off of Garland/Struss.

I went back and forth earlier, but Brooklyn has the ability to trade for more than just one piece.. And they have DFS, the two Cams (I think Thomas isn’t good and Johnson is overrated here, but a good player), Dennis, Sharpe and some raw young rookies. But “MLE”, Dennis and Sharpe being your first three off the bench would seem to be a good enough start to a respectable bench..

So you stack up Simmons, one of DFS or Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas, maybe the prospects, 7 firsts (a few with very nice upside variance), some swaps.. and you have enough for Mitchell and another really great player.

Could be Murray, Lauri, could be Pascal refuses to sign with Indiana and you work out a sign and trade. Similar could be a less exciting Demar sign and trade..

Or a 3 team deal for KAT where the third team has a star level player Minnesota would like to direct swap for KAT, but that team wants to blow it up and rebuild and likes the rest Brooklyn has to offer, and BK prefers KAT to that player.

Complicated, not likely, but not impossible.

You might see a surprising deal for Morant instead of Mitchell as well, I’d be quite surprised, but not completely shocked.

[gom]

Rozier has a 92 TS+ with the Heat after an 89 TS+ last year.

Uhhhhhhhhhh

Sorry you set a draft pick on fire and put yourself in a worse cap spot, but Terry Rozier hasn't shown much in terms of life.

Uhhhh, he struggled at first but has been coming on as of late. A trade to a new city in a new system with players in and out of the lineup isn't easy, but he's catching up. Not worried about what we gave for him. I'm quite happy with what we're seeing.

I didn't care as much about the draft pick as much as Lowry's fat expiring deal and ticket out of tax hell, but I am cheap af. Rozier has been great. Certainly worth #25 a few years from now.

[gom]

I could see San Antonio deciding that Mitchell and Wemby would run the league for the next 6-8 years, and I don't know that they'd be wrong. But can Miami put together a good offer? I think what you listed is pretty great, so if his preference is Miami and that is competitive with say ... Brooklyn ... then he probably gets traded to Miami.

But, I think this all will be moot. You don't publicly say you think he extends unless you really believe that, IMO.

This San Antonio team would be awesome! I hope it happens.

Also, I don't think Miami has wasted a season of Butler. He will have another chance. The team is better this season, and Herro (who is another great scoring option) will be back soon.