What is a TRAVEL in the NBA?

[Lockdown504090]

I honestly can't tell anymore...I've been gaslit so much.

Travel or nah?

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This is a legal play she catches the ball with one foot off the ground. She can legally hop and land on both feet at “relatively” the same time but she has no pivot.

This is under section 9 in the penalties section of ncaa rules. I really think why there are these gaps between the actual rules and how we grew up is because there were too many non board official refs doing games. Your momma wasn’t crazy, the refs really were trash

[Effigy]

So this s*** just randomly popped into my Instagram feed today...

Not only is this garbage allowed, but you got teams proudly posting it as if it were some sort of crazy move worthy of highlighting. This league has become an absolute joke.

I'm sure you'll get people in here defending how the language of the rule now somehow leaves room for this kind of garbage to be interpreted as a legal move-- I don't care. Whether the league, in their clownish quest for video game scores, made garbage like this "legal" or just flat out refuses to enforce fundamentally basic basketball rules, It's still not right, outrageously so.

You can call this whatever you want, but not basketball, this is not basketball in my book.

Go in the rule book and cite the offense. That’s a legal play.

He had both hands on the ball when he let it go. Once he let it go he couldn't be the first person to touch it.

While it may seem like an advantage to use both hands to dribble, the rules of basketball dictate that simultaneous dribbling is a violation. Using both hands to dribble the ball will result in a turnover, regardless of whether you’re dribbling the ball with the palms facing up or down.

[Lockdown504090]

So this s*** just randomly popped into my Instagram feed today...

Not only is this garbage allowed, but you got teams proudly posting it as if it were some sort of crazy move worthy of highlighting. This league has become an absolute joke.

I'm sure you'll get people in here defending how the language of the rule now somehow leaves room for this kind of garbage to be interpreted as a legal move-- I don't care. Whether the league, in their clownish quest for video game scores, made garbage like this "legal" or just flat out refuses to enforce fundamentally basic basketball rules, It's still not right, outrageously so.

You can call this whatever you want, but not basketball, this is not basketball in my book.

Go in the rule book and cite the offense. That’s a legal play.

He had both hands on the ball when he let it go. Once he let it go he couldn't be the first person to touch it.

While it may seem like an advantage to use both hands to dribble, the rules of basketball dictate that simultaneous dribbling is a violation. Using both hands to dribble the ball will result in a turnover, regardless of whether you’re dribbling the ball with the palms facing up or down.

Go in the rule book and cite the rule https://official.nba.com/rulebook/ what is the specific violation you’re looking at? I see a player catch the ball with two hands and dribble in a way that looks abnormal. I just did it in the post above you for the Clark footwork on her shot

[Effigy]

Go in the rule book and cite the offense. That’s a legal play.

He had both hands on the ball when he let it go. Once he let it go he couldn't be the first person to touch it.

While it may seem like an advantage to use both hands to dribble, the rules of basketball dictate that simultaneous dribbling is a violation. Using both hands to dribble the ball will result in a turnover, regardless of whether you’re dribbling the ball with the palms facing up or down.

Go in the rule book and cite the rule https://official.nba.com/rulebook/ what is the specific violation you’re looking at? I see a player catch the ball with two hands and dribble in a way that looks abnormal. I just did it in the post above you for the Clark footwork on her shot

Sure man, here it is, from your own link under 'definitions'

Section II—Dribble

A dribble is movement of the ball, caused by a player in control, who throws or taps the
ball to the floor.

a. The dribble ends when the dribbler:

Touches the ball simultaneously with both hands

You aren't allowed to dribble with two hands. This isn't rocket science. It's a strict rule that they blew.

[Lockdown504090]

He had both hands on the ball when he let it go. Once he let it go he couldn't be the first person to touch it.

While it may seem like an advantage to use both hands to dribble, the rules of basketball dictate that simultaneous dribbling is a violation. Using both hands to dribble the ball will result in a turnover, regardless of whether you’re dribbling the ball with the palms facing up or down.

Go in the rule book and cite the rule https://official.nba.com/rulebook/ what is the specific violation you’re looking at? I see a player catch the ball with two hands and dribble in a way that looks abnormal. I just did it in the post above you for the Clark footwork on her shot

Sure man, here it is, from your own link under 'definitions'

Section II—Dribble

A dribble is movement of the ball, caused by a player in control, who throws or taps the
ball to the floor.

a. The dribble ends when the dribbler:

Touches the ball simultaneously with both hands

You aren't allowed to dribble with two hands. This isn't rocket science. It's a strict rule that they blew.

the dribble hadn’t even begun and I don’t see how that’s not with just his right hand. Also look in the violations section for which you think he did

[Effigy]

Go in the rule book and cite the rule https://official.nba.com/rulebook/ what is the specific violation you’re looking at? I see a player catch the ball with two hands and dribble in a way that looks abnormal. I just did it in the post above you for the Clark footwork on her shot

Sure man, here it is, from your own link under 'definitions'

Section II—Dribble

A dribble is movement of the ball, caused by a player in control, who throws or taps the
ball to the floor.

a. The dribble ends when the dribbler:

Touches the ball simultaneously with both hands

You aren't allowed to dribble with two hands. This isn't rocket science. It's a strict rule that they blew.

the dribble hadn’t even begun and I don’t see how that’s not with just his right hand. Also look in the violations section for which you think he did

He had both hands on it when he released the ball which you are not allowed to do unless you are passing or shooting. It's a very obvious violation. I don't have any idea why you are trying to pretend it isn't. They just missed it.

[Jamaaliver]

This one...seems sketchy to call given some of the more blatant ones shown in this thread:

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[G R E Y]

'What is dark matter?' might be an easier question.

[disoblige]

You can takes many steps as long you don't gather.

[liquidswords]

Traveling has always been subjective even though there's a rule. People are just getting older and more bothered. They think its a "now" issue. Its been a forever issue.

[baldur]

travel is clear to define and easy to detect. refs just call random ones and they dont even call crazily clear ones. you can't slip on the floor for meters with the ball in your hands for example. it is travel anywhere in the world, but usa. smh.

[disoblige]

'What is dark matter?' might be an easier question.

No, the person who could answer this wins a Nobel Peace Prize.

[Jamaaliver]

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[thinktank]

The new one is allowing players to establish a new pivot foot.

They call it the “step through”.

Don’t tell me that was legal the whole time. It wasn’t. Before you had to jump off both your pivot foot and your non-pivot foot at the same time—a two footed leap. Now you can just lift up your pivot foot entirely and jump 100% off your non-pivot foot. Looks cool, but it’s a travel.

[theforumblue]

So this s*** just randomly popped into my Instagram feed today...

Not only is this garbage allowed, but you got teams proudly posting it as if it were some sort of crazy move worthy of highlighting. This league has become an absolute joke.

I'm sure you'll get people in here defending how the language of the rule now somehow leaves room for this kind of garbage to be interpreted as a legal move-- I don't care. Whether the league, in their clownish quest for video game scores, made garbage like this "legal" or just flat out refuses to enforce fundamentally basic basketball rules, It's still not right, outrageously so.

You can call this whatever you want, but not basketball, this is not basketball in my book.

This is pretty ridiculous. Two handed pass to himself. Wow.

i change my mind, the way the video started i thought he was mid dribble when he grabbed the ball with two hands. i didn't realize he had just received the pass with two hands. good play.

[theforumblue]

The new one is allowing players to establish a new pivot foot.

They call it the “step through”.

Don’t tell me that was legal the whole time. It wasn’t. Before you had to jump off both your pivot foot and your non-pivot foot at the same time—a two footed leap. Now you can just lift up your pivot foot entirely and jump 100% off your non-pivot foot. Looks cool, but it’s a travel.

this was the rule the whole time, it's the old days that actually misinterpreted the rule.

[thinktank]

The new one is allowing players to establish a new pivot foot.

They call it the “step through”.

Don’t tell me that was legal the whole time. It wasn’t. Before you had to jump off both your pivot foot and your non-pivot foot at the same time—a two footed leap. Now you can just lift up your pivot foot entirely and jump 100% off your non-pivot foot. Looks cool, but it’s a travel.

this was the rule the whole time, it's the old days that actually misinterpreted the rule.

Yes, I understand that.

When enforcement of the rule changes that is effectively a rule change.

It used to be called a travel (lifting up the pivot foot—refs would physically illustrate it). Now it is no longer called a travel—just recently.

[floppymoose]

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I agree that its a travel, but its also never called. Refs let guards be sloppy on initiating the dribble in the backcourt when receiving the inbounds. They have for years. Especially in crunch time.

[G35]

This is why the whole "modern players are more skilled" debate is a misnomer...we can't even agree on the rules. We are playing two different games now....

[dhsilv2]

Sure man, here it is, from your own link under 'definitions'

Section II—Dribble

A dribble is movement of the ball, caused by a player in control, who throws or taps the
ball to the floor.

a. The dribble ends when the dribbler:

Touches the ball simultaneously with both hands

You aren't allowed to dribble with two hands. This isn't rocket science. It's a strict rule that they blew.

the dribble hadn’t even begun and I don’t see how that’s not with just his right hand. Also look in the violations section for which you think he did

He had both hands on it when he released the ball which you are not allowed to do unless you are passing or shooting. It's a very obvious violation. I don't have any idea why you are trying to pretend it isn't. They just missed it.

He caught the ball with both hands and dribbled after fumbling to release it with both hands...i don't see the issue. It's just a weird looking play.