Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:The Logan Paul thing shows just how out of touch the front office have become.
Yet some folks here would do all kinds of mental gymnastics to defend them. In their eyes, they can't do any wrong.
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Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:The Logan Paul thing shows just how out of touch the front office have become.
aminiaturebuddha wrote:Duffman100 wrote:Scase wrote:My point was more about how much longer do we keep giving them, to fail at the same thing over and over? We dont have a whole lot in the way of assets we can trade to bolster the bench, and they have shown that the knack for finding hidden talent has been missing for many years.
We have the assets to bolster the bench through draft picks? If you consider Quickley, Dick, Barrett, Barnes, Poeltl as a starting 5.
Trent (maybe trade him or resign him)
Brown (maybe trade him or keep his option)
Kelly O
Ochai Agbaji
2024 17th pick
2024 31st pick
Either a top 6 pick this year or a pick in 2025.
Two 1sts in 2026
5 1sts of the next 3 years.
I think we have enough assets to start building a bench (where we didn't have the assets to do that post championship).
Yep, exactly. And there are still other possibilities as well, including not picking up Brown's option and letting Trent go to leave them with enough cap space to pursue a quality FA like Malik Monk or Grayson Allen. Especially if they also manage to off-load Boucher's contract somewhere. Or doing the same and using that cap space to take back a contract a team needs to off-load because of the new tax apron rules.
There's a lot of work to do, for sure, but the FO has given themselves more flexibility than any off-season in recent memory. They've made some mistakes recently, of course, but they've also never been in a situation like the one they'll have this summer, so we can't know how they'll deal with it.
It'll be very interesting to see how the team looks in October. We should all save the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the roster and bench until then at least.
MavCarter wrote:Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:The Logan Paul thing shows just how out of touch the front office have become.
Do you think the front office is sitting in a room debating whether or not to get sponsored by logan paul and prime? Lmao MLSE handles sponsorship dollars. Prime also sponsors the lakers, dodgers, arsenel, barcelona etc
Duffman100 wrote:Scase wrote:Brinbe wrote:As I said in another post in this thread, I don't think there's anything wrong with having some skepticism about this FO. Their talent ID has been really questionable and I don't know who/what to attribute that to exactly because they're so opaque about everything they do.
They did the work to give themselves flexibility this offseason to radically reshape large portions of this team, but selling off is always the easy part. The follow-through is what matters. Can they successfully do it? Well, that's where everyone will feel differently I suppose. But if you don't think so that's fine, but none of us can really do anything about it either way. So repeating it a billion times from now until whenever is also a bit tiresome.
My point was more about how much longer do we keep giving them, to fail at the same thing over and over? We dont have a whole lot in the way of assets we can trade to bolster the bench, and they have shown that the knack for finding hidden talent has been missing for many years.
We have the assets to bolster the bench through draft picks? If you consider Quickley, Dick, Barrett, Barnes, Poeltl as a starting 5.
Trent (maybe trade him or resign him)
Brown (maybe trade him or keep his option)
Kelly O
Ochai Agbaji
2024 17th pick
2024 31st pick
Either a top 6 pick this year or a pick in 2025.
Two 1sts in 2026
5 1sts of the next 3 years.
I think we have enough assets to start building a bench (where we didn't have the assets to do that post championship).
Scase wrote:Duffman100 wrote:Scase wrote:My point was more about how much longer do we keep giving them, to fail at the same thing over and over? We dont have a whole lot in the way of assets we can trade to bolster the bench, and they have shown that the knack for finding hidden talent has been missing for many years.
We have the assets to bolster the bench through draft picks? If you consider Quickley, Dick, Barrett, Barnes, Poeltl as a starting 5.
Trent (maybe trade him or resign him)
Brown (maybe trade him or keep his option)
Kelly O
Ochai Agbaji
2024 17th pick
2024 31st pick
Either a top 6 pick this year or a pick in 2025.
Two 1sts in 2026
5 1sts of the next 3 years.
I think we have enough assets to start building a bench (where we didn't have the assets to do that post championship).
I think it's WAY too early to bank on that starting 5 as anything to build around. We draft a couple players this year and next, they start producing in about 2-3 years? Is that the goal? Trent and Brown are quite low value, not worth keeping and unlikely to result in anything valuable in a trade.
I don't see it. Our bench at best consists of An old C that will be out of the league in a few years, a 24 year old wing that isn't looking particularly promising, and 2 expirings that we likely should not keep and don't hold much value. That means at best we need to shore up about 4 empty roster spots with potentially 2 mediocre-bad picks, and an unlikely top 6.
I'm not enthused with this outcome to say the least. If we end up trading Jak in the summer, then my mindset will shift drastically and I would be in full agreement with you.
Duffman100 wrote:Scase wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
We have the assets to bolster the bench through draft picks? If you consider Quickley, Dick, Barrett, Barnes, Poeltl as a starting 5.
Trent (maybe trade him or resign him)
Brown (maybe trade him or keep his option)
Kelly O
Ochai Agbaji
2024 17th pick
2024 31st pick
Either a top 6 pick this year or a pick in 2025.
Two 1sts in 2026
5 1sts of the next 3 years.
I think we have enough assets to start building a bench (where we didn't have the assets to do that post championship).
I think it's WAY too early to bank on that starting 5 as anything to build around. We draft a couple players this year and next, they start producing in about 2-3 years? Is that the goal? Trent and Brown are quite low value, not worth keeping and unlikely to result in anything valuable in a trade.
I don't see it. Our bench at best consists of An old C that will be out of the league in a few years, a 24 year old wing that isn't looking particularly promising, and 2 expirings that we likely should not keep and don't hold much value. That means at best we need to shore up about 4 empty roster spots with potentially 2 mediocre-bad picks, and an unlikely top 6.
I'm not enthused with this outcome to say the least. If we end up trading Jak in the summer, then my mindset will shift drastically and I would be in full agreement with you.
Trading Yak will open up another major hole in the roster. How does that help?
Scase wrote:Duffman100 wrote:Scase wrote:I think it's WAY too early to bank on that starting 5 as anything to build around. We draft a couple players this year and next, they start producing in about 2-3 years? Is that the goal? Trent and Brown are quite low value, not worth keeping and unlikely to result in anything valuable in a trade.
I don't see it. Our bench at best consists of An old C that will be out of the league in a few years, a 24 year old wing that isn't looking particularly promising, and 2 expirings that we likely should not keep and don't hold much value. That means at best we need to shore up about 4 empty roster spots with potentially 2 mediocre-bad picks, and an unlikely top 6.
I'm not enthused with this outcome to say the least. If we end up trading Jak in the summer, then my mindset will shift drastically and I would be in full agreement with you.
Trading Yak will open up another major hole in the roster. How does that help?
He also made it pretty known that he didn't want to be part of a rebuild, but we traded for him anyways, and then traded Siakam. I just don't see the fit.
TorontoBarneys wrote:Yak could be traded depending on what happens this summer. Edey could feasibly be a decent replacement.
Duffman100 wrote:Scase wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
Trading Yak will open up another major hole in the roster. How does that help?
He also made it pretty known that he didn't want to be part of a rebuild, but we traded for him anyways, and then traded Siakam. I just don't see the fit.
Did he? I don't remember that.
Scase wrote:Duffman100 wrote:Scase wrote:He also made it pretty known that he didn't want to be part of a rebuild, but we traded for him anyways, and then traded Siakam. I just don't see the fit.
Did he? I don't remember that.
Yeah he mentioned it back in Jan after the trade, not before, memory was a bit off.
It's one of the main reasons people saw his acquisition as a sign we were going all in, and now it definitely doesn't mesh with what we've pivoted to.
earth007 wrote:Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:The Logan Paul thing shows just how out of touch the front office have become.
Yet some folks here would do all kinds of mental gymnastics to defend them. In their eyes, they can't do any wrong.
earth007 wrote:Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:The Logan Paul thing shows just how out of touch the front office have become.
Yet some folks here would do all kinds of mental gymnastics to defend them. In their eyes, they can't do any wrong.
DelAbbot wrote:earth007 wrote:Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:The Logan Paul thing shows just how out of touch the front office have become.
Yet some folks here would do all kinds of mental gymnastics to defend them. In their eyes, they can't do any wrong.
It's understandable. For some the championship brought them so much joy that they have associated their own positive identity with it and the FO that got us there. Any attack on the FO is perceived as an attack on their positive identity.
sbsat wrote:Brinbe wrote:Scase wrote:They have had to do that for 3 years and still haven't.
As I said in another post in this thread, I don't think there's anything wrong with having some skepticism about this FO. Their talent ID has been really questionable and I don't know who/what to attribute that to exactly because they're so opaque about everything they do.
They did the work to give themselves flexibility this offseason to radically reshape large portions of this team, but selling off is always the easy part. The follow-through is what matters. Can they successfully do it? Well, that's where everyone will feel differently I suppose. But if you don't think so that's fine, but none of us can really do anything about it either way. So repeating it a billion times from now until whenever is also a bit tiresome.
The front office definitely needs a look. Lots pf questionable personnel decisions and the choice they made for coach is sickening. It may be time for a front office shuffle but quality execs are hard to find