2024 Draft Prospects

[JMAC3]

dillingham vs reed

how to separate these two as prospects?

who is better point guard? playmaker? passer?
who is better shooter?
who is better defender?
who is better off the dribble? getting to rim?

are they both simply 6'3" combo guards? or are either legit point guards?

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=rob-dillingham--reed-sheppard

Dillingham imo is the better prospect.

Reed is probably the more natural point, but Dillingham is much better as a PnR passer right now.
They are both great shooters, wouldn't really give either the edge just because Dillingham is willing to take and make the tough ones while still shooting 45% from deep. Reed is more calculated with his shot selection hence the higher %.
Dillingham also is much better at getting to the rim and creating his shot in general.
I don't think either is a very good on ball defender, but Reed is the better overall defender.

I think both are more combo guards, who really best case is they move to the 1. If both are undersized 2s, then neither turn into very good players.

how do you think they compare to tre mann and nsj as combo guard prospects? honestly, the last thing we need is more combo guards. seems like both are better prospects to nsj and mann, based on shooting and playmaking.

Dillingham is the most talented of the group, but he also is probably the worst defender of the group. I would actually say NSJ and Sheppard are similar the first two years in NBA. Knockdown shooters if left open, but won't really bring much elsewhere.

I don't think either guy are worthy of a top 5 pick. Probably more realistic around pick 10.

[JMAC3]

Underwhelming draft class it seems but if we are picking 4th or so we need to at least land a solid rotation guy. Someone with at least one elite skill that should translate if there are no complete players available this year. It seems like Clingan could be that guy. He can rebound, block shots and moves well for a big. Or one of the UK guards with their shooting. I am not sure if Holland, Williams, or Castle have any elite skills. They seem like just guys (haunting me with memories of MKG). Maybe one of the foreigners is best, I have not seen them.
Clingan also fills a need with Mark being iffy. Micic kinda provides cover for Melo but we could use another combo guard too. If we know were not keeping Miles then maybe one of those Castle types gets more interesting. Weird draft though. Go State!

I would be really disappointed in Clingham as a top 5 pick. I really think he profiles very similarly to Mark. Will finish well around rim, block some shots, solid rebounder but that is about it. He actually is a much worse free throw shooter than Mark so probably even less chance he develops a midrange shot later.

If we are that worried about Mark then we should trade down and pick a big in the late lottery. Bigs who aren't really talented offensive players are going to disappoint if picked in the top half of lottery.

Best case we have two solid centers, worst case we replace Mark but invest a much better pick then we did previously. Hard pass on both fronts.

[SWedd523]

dillingham vs reed

how to separate these two as prospects?

who is better point guard? playmaker? passer?
who is better shooter?
who is better defender?
who is better off the dribble? getting to rim?

are they both simply 6'3" combo guards? or are either legit point guards?

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=rob-dillingham--reed-sheppard

I don't know of many successful small guards who can't beat defenders off the dribble.

In the clips I've seen of Reed, I don't recall him ever doing so

That's a concern

[JMAC3]

Reposting this with more context
Isaiah Collier is 95/154 at the rim this year or 62% in 820 mins played. 6 dunks -156 FTA

Stephon Castle is 74/123 at the rim 60% in 750 mins 21 Dunks/ 90 FTA

Dillingham 63/113 at rim 56% in 718 mins 4 dunks/ 94 FTA

Walter 30/57 at rim 53% in 1060 mins 4 dunks/ 162 FTA

Sheppard is 39/59 at the rim 66% in 923 mins 5 Dunks/ 65 FTA

Sheppard has the worst mix of not getting to the rim and also not drawing fouls. Walter is similar to Reed but with nearly 3x the FTA. Dillingham, Castle and Collier are all similar in getting to the rim, but Collier draws the most fouls. Castle obviously stands out as the guy who finishes above the rim best of this group with 21 dunks, the other 4 combining for 19 dunks.

[Diop]

i just found out there is a guy called Wooga Poplar in the draft. I know nothing about him, but i think he's my new favourite

[wilson115]

Reasonable take on Holland:

Watch on YouTube

[Diop]

Wooga please

[JustBuzzin]

I feel like there might be a sleeper player who's stock will rise come combine time.

Kyshawn George will be a name to watch come closer to the combine because of his potential. 6'8 wing who can also handle the ball. If we drop out of the top 5 he might be a option.

Watch on YouTube

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[JDR720]

As of now, I think we end up 3rd.

We have 6 games left.

Magic, OKC, Mavs, Hawks, Celtics, Cavs.

Spurs have 6 games left.

Pelicans, 76ers, Grizz, OKC, Nuggets, Pistons.

We're losing all 6. Spurs will win at least 2.

Leaving us with 18 wins. Spurs with 20.

[JDR720]

Reposting this with more context
Isaiah Collier is 95/154 at the rim this year or 62% in 820 mins played. 6 dunks -156 FTA

Stephon Castle is 74/123 at the rim 60% in 750 mins 21 Dunks/ 90 FTA

Dillingham 63/113 at rim 56% in 718 mins 4 dunks/ 94 FTA

Walter 30/57 at rim 53% in 1060 mins 4 dunks/ 162 FTA

Sheppard is 39/59 at the rim 66% in 923 mins 5 Dunks/ 65 FTA

Sheppard has the worst mix of not getting to the rim and also not drawing fouls. Walter is similar to Reed but with nearly 3x the FTA. Dillingham, Castle and Collier are all similar in getting to the rim, but Collier draws the most fouls. Castle obviously stands out as the guy who finishes above the rim best of this group with 21 dunks, the other 4 combining for 19 dunks.

Reed doesn't get to the rim because he shoots 52% from 3pt. However, as your stats show, he is a very good finisher at the rim when he does attack.

[JDR720]

As for Dillingham vs Reed as prospects.

I think it's obviously Reed, for several reasons.

People talk about Reed being small, but he's bigger than Dillingham is. Reed is about 6'3, Dillingham measured at 6'1 at Overtime Elite. Reed is also about 12 pounds heavier. I don't know what Reed's wingspan is, but Dillingham is 6'2.

While Dillingham is also a very good shooter, Reed is better.

Although I'd say both are good passers, I think Reed is higher IQ. Reed is obviously better defensively too.

Dillingham is a better scorer. Dillingham is probably a better dribbler as well.


The Ringer compares Reed to Derrick White. Dillingham to Lou Williams & Bones Hyland.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft


Dillingham isn't really a combo-guard. He's a scoring PG. He's both too small and doesn't have the skillset to play SG in the NBA.

Reed is undersized for a SG, but his skillset is better suited for being one in the NBA. Mainly due to his IQ, off-ball shooting and defensive instincts.

[JDR720]

Of course, this is all moot. We're going to be picking top 3, or at least top 5.

So we'll end up getting one of Sarr, Topic, Risacher or Buzelis. Maybe WIlliams or Holland too.

[MPM]

Written in the stars. Hornets land #1 in a historically poor draft. Anywho...assuming we're top 3-4, I've whittled my list down to the Euros - Sarr, Risacher, Topic.

[JMAC3]

Reed doesn't get to the rim because he shoots 52% from 3pt. However, as your stats show, he is a very good finisher at the rim when he does attack.

Yet he only averages 12.5 ppg. So maybe getting to the basket more is not simply some choice like you are making it out to be. He also shoots the 3rd most threes per game on Kentucky despite the best percentage, so again if he is the best at finishing and best at shooting why is he not doing both the most? Unless it is not by choice and he struggles to get to the rim and struggles to create his own shot.

I still think he is a very good shooter, but we have to move past the thought that the best shooters are the ones who shoot the highest percentage. It simply isn't the case. Steph Curry is 41st in 3pt % this year, he is still the best shooter and it is not even close.

[JMAC3]

Written in the stars. Hornets land #1 in a historically poor draft. Anywho...assuming we're top 3-4, I've whittled my list down to the Euros - Sarr, Risacher, Topic.

Risacher is probably closer to 5th on my board then he is to #1 overall at this point. He has really had a slow end to his season, I still like him as a fit on the Hornets but I think there are flat out better players available.

[MPM]

Written in the stars. Hornets land #1 in a historically poor draft. Anywho...assuming we're top 3-4, I've whittled my list down to the Euros - Sarr, Risacher, Topic.

Risacher is probably closer to 5th on my board then he is to #1 overall at this point. He has really had a slow end to his season, I still like him as a fit on the Hornets but I think there are flat out better players available.

I don't think there's a player in this draft that deserves to be #1. Sarr is likely top 3-4 in most drafts, but outside of that? Slim pickin's. Who do you have ahead of Risacher at this point?

EDIT - as an aside, I keep getting this sneaky suspicion that someone's going to wind up looking good for drafting Collier late lotto. He started to really come on toward the end of the year but at that point the narrative had been set - that he wasn't living up to lofty expectations.

[JMAC3]

Written in the stars. Hornets land #1 in a historically poor draft. Anywho...assuming we're top 3-4, I've whittled my list down to the Euros - Sarr, Risacher, Topic.

Risacher is probably closer to 5th on my board then he is to #1 overall at this point. He has really had a slow end to his season, I still like him as a fit on the Hornets but I think there are flat out better players available.

I don't think there's a player in this draft that deserves to be #1. Sarr is likely top 3-4 in most drafts, but outside of that? Slim pickin's. Who do you have ahead of Risacher at this point?

I have it

1. Topic
2. Holland
3. Sarr
4. Risacher

Topic and Holland are 2 of the youngest players in the draft and also two of the most productive players. They also both have great size, scoring and each boast a 3rd skill Topic with his passing and Holland with his defense. Sarr has elite size, great defense but he lacks a true 3rd skill. His offense is very raw and his shooting isn't really a positive yet. Risacher has great size, really strong shooting but I fail to see a 3rd skill at all with him right now and he feels like the guy that fits on everyones team, but also feels like might not be a starting level player for several years.

Cody Williams was in this group, but he faded too strong and I already had some concerns on his low volume shooting.

[MPM]

Risacher is probably closer to 5th on my board then he is to #1 overall at this point. He has really had a slow end to his season, I still like him as a fit on the Hornets but I think there are flat out better players available.

I don't think there's a player in this draft that deserves to be #1. Sarr is likely top 3-4 in most drafts, but outside of that? Slim pickin's. Who do you have ahead of Risacher at this point?

I have it

1. Topic
2. Holland
3. Sarr
4. Risacher

Topic and Holland are 2 of the youngest players in the draft and also two of the most productive players. They also both have great size, scoring and each boast a 3rd skill Topic with his passing and Holland with his defense. Sarr has elite size, great defense but he lacks a true 3rd skill. His offense is very raw and his shooting isn't really a positive yet. Risacher has great size, really strong shooting but I fail to see a 3rd skill at all with him right now and he feels like the guy that fits on everyones team, but also feels like might not be a starting level player for several years.

Cody Williams was in this group, but he faded too strong and I already had some concerns on his low volume shooting.

Intrigued by Holland as well. We basically have the same top 4 in different order. I'm probably Sarr, Topic, Risacher, Holland.

[JMAC3]

One thing about this year is that if we pick #4, we probably really still have to look at the entire top 10 for evaluations because it is so uncertain.

Last year it was a clear #1, clear top 3, so you pretty much knew who was on the board at 4. Same the year with Melo, you pretty much knew those 3 guys were going 1,2,3... every single pick is up in the air right now and I expect it will be similar even after the lottery for a while.

[JMAC3]

Remember when the Suns didn't take Luka because they had Booker?
Kings didn't take him because they had Fox?

They ended up with Ayton and Bagley.

If Topic is actually going to be a version of Luka then I would rather not pass on him because we are worried about fit.
LaMelo and Luka would be able to play together very easily.