2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 2

[Dalek]

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Bub Carrington is a guy I rate as the best floor general in the draft - at least comparable to Topic. I do think his at the rim scoring needs a lot of work, but his positional size and potential as a scorer are going to make him worthy of an NBA rotation and maybe starting in time.

The stupid selection committee overlooked Pitt for the tournament and the team decided not to do NIT, but Bub must have got some good feedback on his draft stock. Earlier last month he said he was coming back for sure. Maybe he is only testing draft waters, but I think in this type of draft he is a borderline lottery level guy.

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Good for 31st pick

Woah that changes everything - calling PSUBS!!

Bub Carrington is a guy I rate as the best floor general in the draft - at least comparable to Topic. I do think his at the rim scoring needs a lot of work, but his positional size and potential as a scorer are going to make him worthy of an NBA rotation and maybe starting in time.

The stupid selection committee overlooked Pitt for the tournament and the team decided not to do NIT, but Bub must have got some good feedback on his draft stock. Earlier last month he said he was coming back for sure. Maybe he is only testing draft waters, but I think in this type of draft he is a borderline lottery level guy.

If his stock jumps up, I'd ask the Knicks if they want the Pacers pick #17 and #31 for #21 and #23. Ugh, just looked up standings and the Knicks have just dropped to just ahead of the Knicks.

He just needs better shot selection. I think in the NBA he won't have to try and do too much and be better.

I'd be fine with taking Carrington at #17 and Tristan DaSilva at #31.

After being drafted, Bub will STILL be 18 years old! Already averaging 4 assists and 1.9 turnovers!

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[ill-Will03]

Man if we can somehow come away with Castle/Holland/Clingnan + Bub + DaSilva that would be an absolute home run of a draft

[notagenius]

Anyone give a quick scouting report Carrington? From the highlights he looks to be a 3 level scorer.

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[Dalek]

Anyone give a quick scouting report Carrington? From the highlights he looks to be a 3 level scorer.

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He is about 6'5, so on the bigger side as a lead guard.
Shooting numbers don't tell the whole story, but there are concerns:
At the rim: 54% (52 shots)
3pt: 32% (202 shots)
FTR 24%

He needs to reign in his shots as he takes some bad ones that impact his percentages. He was really hot from three early (over 40%) but his numbers tailed off as they went deeper into the year. His first-step is okay but honestly he prefers to pull-up or do a stepback than drive. He reminds me a big of Isaiah Joe who has a similar slight build.

The best part of his game is the passing. He has 4.1 / 1.9 assist to turnover ratio, and from film he shows a lot of difficult passes that are in shooting pockets for the guys who get them.

His dad is a basketball coach and you can tell he knows a lot about the game. I think if he puts it all together and adds strength his best outcome is D-Lo.

[OAKLEY_2]

Is there any chance to get Durisic at 31?

I would say yes.

[OAKLEY_2]

60 losses with KO as your starting C with no depth/bench of projects and rookies wouldn’t be an indictment on the ability to build around Barnes.

Did Poeltl get waived? Are the Raps expected to just keep $40 million in cap space and not sign anyone? Why would you assume that KO will be the starting center, and that the team will have no depth?

In the most reasonable situation for next year where the team has Barnes, Quickley, RJ, Poeltl, Gradey, KO, Ochai, a couple of free agent signings, and draft picks - yes, losing 60 games would absolutely be a massive indictment on the ability to build anything successful around Scottie.

Poeltl could be traded. If they want to be bad next year, that is the way to do it. They are 2-22 without Poeltl including 2-9 with Barnes.

The cap space could be used to take undesirable contracts in exchange for picks and prospects.

So now that you know where Poeltl went, in this situation, losing 60 games wouldn’t be an indictment on the ability to build around Scottie, rather it would be the 4th out of 5th season with poor roster construction, except this time it would be intentional.

This is MLSE meaning if the pick conveys watch it get packaged with Brown or like asset to accellerate the process especially for more of the 24 year old timeline.

[islandboy53]

Did Poeltl get waived? Are the Raps expected to just keep $40 million in cap space and not sign anyone? Why would you assume that KO will be the starting center, and that the team will have no depth?

In the most reasonable situation for next year where the team has Barnes, Quickley, RJ, Poeltl, Gradey, KO, Ochai, a couple of free agent signings, and draft picks - yes, losing 60 games would absolutely be a massive indictment on the ability to build anything successful around Scottie.

Poeltl could be traded. If they want to be bad next year, that is the way to do it. They are 2-22 without Poeltl including 2-9 with Barnes.

The cap space could be used to take undesirable contracts in exchange for picks and prospects.

So now that you know where Poeltl went, in this situation, losing 60 games wouldn’t be an indictment on the ability to build around Scottie, rather it would be the 4th out of 5th season with poor roster construction, except this time it would be intentional.

This is MLSE meaning if the pick conveys watch it get packaged with Brown or like asset to accellerate the process especially for more of the 24 year old timeline.

I don't think anyone, including the Raptors, sees this group as being at the point where you can trade away a top six pick. They need to be patient, add talent via picks and FA this year, accumulate additional draft capital, and let the current group continue to grow. They traded away 2 of their best players to rebuild the team the right way, and I'll be shocked if they do otherwise.

[ArthurVandelay]

Poeltl could be traded. If they want to be bad next year, that is the way to do it. They are 2-22 without Poeltl including 2-9 with Barnes.

The cap space could be used to take undesirable contracts in exchange for picks and prospects.

So now that you know where Poeltl went, in this situation, losing 60 games wouldn’t be an indictment on the ability to build around Scottie, rather it would be the 4th out of 5th season with poor roster construction, except this time it would be intentional.

This is MLSE meaning if the pick conveys watch it get packaged with Brown or like asset to accellerate the process especially for more of the 24 year old timeline.

I don't think anyone, including the Raptors, sees this group as being at the point where you can trade away a top six pick. They need to be patient, add talent via picks and FA this year, accumulate additional draft capital, and let the current group continue to grow. They traded away 2 of their best players to rebuild the team the right way, and I'll be shocked if they do otherwise.

I agree and hope they are patient.

Only thing is Raptors history with free agency is awful both pre and with Masai. Unless they are signing minimum contracts or UDFA, I hope they stick to the trade market.

[islandboy53]

This is MLSE meaning if the pick conveys watch it get packaged with Brown or like asset to accellerate the process especially for more of the 24 year old timeline.

I don't think anyone, including the Raptors, sees this group as being at the point where you can trade away a top six pick. They need to be patient, add talent via picks and FA this year, accumulate additional draft capital, and let the current group continue to grow. They traded away 2 of their best players to rebuild the team the right way, and I'll be shocked if they do otherwise.

I agree and hope they are patient.

Only thing is Raptors history with free agency is awful both pre and with Masai. Unless they are signing minimum contracts or UDFA, I hope they stick to the trade market.

They have more flexibility operating over the cap, under the tax versus using tax space. That means they will be limited to the NTMLE for FA signings. $13 million doesn't go far, and you may want to save some or all of it to take on salary in trades during the season. That means looking at lower tier guys who might fill out your 8 - 10 spots adequately while rookies develop, with at least some upside. Guys like Lonnie Walker or Naji Marshall, for example, both of whom can shoot threes decently, and play defence, while still being youngish.

[BoyzNTheHood]

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[Bruin]

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I don’t think it’s real. dick Weiss isn’t a good source and there’s no reason to think Woj wouldn’t break the news. Nobody else has reported it

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[Mark_83]

My current board:

6) Holland / Castle / Salaun
17) Da Silva / George / McCain
31) Sallis / Sears / Ivisic

[PhilBlackson]

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I'm just throwing this kid out as an option (if the next couple of guys I mention are gone) because still favor Yang or obv Carrington but I've said it before I don't think Bub is gonna be there at the DET pick. I think if you like him a lot you're gonna have to take him with the IND pick. Personally I wouldn't be upset if we did take him with that one BUT I'd just favor one Saluan or Ware more (assuming they hadn't be drafted yet).

If those guys are gone though, sure count me in on Carrington with the IND pick but that would again be assuming someone like Castle didn't fall to our pick then it's a tough choice...with Hansen, he just screams at least a poorman's version/story of how teams like Sengun slip, Yokic slip etc because he doesn't fit the "mold" and there's some questions about their competition and mainly they worried those guys could do the same in the NBA. If you strike out with Yang in the 2nd rd, no big deal, most SRPs do bust but if you're right, you pretty much have THE steal of the draft. Hansen to me is almost a must gamble on, the boom potential is greater than probably any other player likely to be in that range.

[Dalek]

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I'm just throwing this kid out as an option (if the next couple of guys I mention are gone) because still favor Yang or obv Carrington but I've said it before I don't think Bub is gonna be there at the DET pick. I think if you like him a lot you're gonna have to take him with the IND pick. Personally I wouldn't be upset if we did take him with that one BUT I'd just favor one Saluan or Ware more (assuming they hadn't be drafted yet).

If those guys are gone though, sure count me in on Carrington with the IND pick but that would again be assuming someone like Castle didn't fall to our pick then it's a tough choice...with Hansen, he just screams at least a poorman's version/story of how teams like Sengun slip, Yokic slip etc because he doesn't fit the "mold" and there's some questions about their competition and mainly they worried those guys could do the same in the NBA. If you strike out with Yang in the 2nd rd, no big deal, most SRPs do bust but if you're right, you pretty much have THE steal of the draft. Hansen to me is almost a must gamble on, the boom potential is greater than probably any other player likely to be in that range.

You have to sell me on Storr. He looks like a guy who would go undrafted by the numbers: 32% from three; 0.9 assists. The scoring looks okay, but aren't there a ton of guys in the G-League like him?

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Add another kid who might be interesting with that DET pick...watch it the whole way through.

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I'm just throwing this kid out as an option (if the next couple of guys I mention are gone) because still favor Yang or obv Carrington but I've said it before I don't think Bub is gonna be there at the DET pick. I think if you like him a lot you're gonna have to take him with the IND pick. Personally I wouldn't be upset if we did take him with that one BUT I'd just favor one Saluan or Ware more (assuming they hadn't be drafted yet).

If those guys are gone though, sure count me in on Carrington with the IND pick but that would again be assuming someone like Castle didn't fall to our pick then it's a tough choice...with Hansen, he just screams at least a poorman's version/story of how teams like Sengun slip, Yokic slip etc because he doesn't fit the "mold" and there's some questions about their competition and mainly they worried those guys could do the same in the NBA. If you strike out with Yang in the 2nd rd, no big deal, most SRPs do bust but if you're right, you pretty much have THE steal of the draft. Hansen to me is almost a must gamble on, the boom potential is greater than probably any other player likely to be in that range.

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People like to say they are whack but my gosh do they believe in Carrington, having him ALL THE WAY at #8. Topic and Holland at #17 and #18 respectively.

I believe that Carrington is a better prospect than Ja'Kobe Walter who looks like an under-sized SG which are plentiful.

Our Pick - Sarr or Risacher if move up
Indy - Carrington
#31 - Tristan DaSilva

[Syd-TK3]

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[OAKLEY_2]

Poeltl could be traded. If they want to be bad next year, that is the way to do it. They are 2-22 without Poeltl including 2-9 with Barnes.

The cap space could be used to take undesirable contracts in exchange for picks and prospects.

So now that you know where Poeltl went, in this situation, losing 60 games wouldn’t be an indictment on the ability to build around Scottie, rather it would be the 4th out of 5th season with poor roster construction, except this time it would be intentional.

This is MLSE meaning if the pick conveys watch it get packaged with Brown or like asset to accellerate the process especially for more of the 24 year old timeline.

I don't think anyone, including the Raptors, sees this group as being at the point where you can trade away a top six pick. They need to be patient, add talent via picks and FA this year, accumulate additional draft capital, and let the current group continue to grow. They traded away 2 of their best players to rebuild the team the right way, and I'll be shocked if they do otherwise.

If the pick conveys it won't be top 6 next year is what I am saying unless, we have taken further steps back, and/or... we actively tank the second half of the season. It could very well be Gradey Dick #13 position next year. Raps are playing not to convey it and are rolling the dice to get a shot at Sarr or Topic. If they keep #6 then Reed Sheppard or Castle or Cody Williams should all be there.

[CazOnReal]

So let's say the Raptors land 3rd, 4th or stay at 6th in the lottery.

Would you be opposed to trading the Pacer 2026 1st, the 2024 Pacers pick (assuming it conveys since it is Top 3 protected and the Pacers have fallen back to the play-in) or another future pick (has to be 28 or beyond) to move up and select Sarr, Topic or Risacher under the assumption that they might not be available at 3?

[grant101]

So let's say the Raptors land 3rd, 4th or stay at 6th in the lottery.

Would you be opposed to trading the Pacer 2026 1st, the 2024 Pacers pick (assuming it conveys since it is Top 3 protected and the Pacers have fallen back to the play-in) or another future pick (has to be 28 or beyond) to move up and select Sarr, Topic or Risacher under the assumption that they might not be available at 3?

Definitely not. I don't think there's any player in this draft worth doing that for. That 2026 Pacer pick is going to be a key asset for this club. Most I would do is 31, and that would be only if it secures us Topic or (preferably) Sarr.