Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Horst to Detroit rumor

[emunney]

If any of the Bucks players came on to this forum they would be roasted for not knowing anything about basketball.
None of them knew what SEGABABA meant. https://fb.watch/rbP3_TDr9B/

Found it deeply satisfying that the worst acronym I've ever heard has not permeated the league's membrane.

[Siefer]

There's a weird false binary going on here, especially given that Giannis has been improving and growing over time. He's never been better at initiating the offense - he's leveled up as a playmaker, his charges are way down, his midranger is a respectable plan C, and he's an absolute demon on inverted screens. I don't think anyone is arguing that he should be sitting on the ball like a Harden. We've seen how good it can be with Dame and Midds initiating late - it's good, and we should keep doing it! When things are working well, we have three good initiators that each require radically different defensive approaches - this is a great situation to be in.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

i wish people would stop saying that giannis initiating offense is our best offense because its also the offense thats **** us over the most when it matters too.

Yep. The year we won, Middleton went full Kawhi, which got us over the hump. And New Jersey, Atlanta and Phoenix really didn't have the personnel to build the wall properly.

I get the hand-wringing over Dame's lackluster performances at times. But we have to figure out how to get he and/or Middleton going if we want to win a title this year.

Initially, I thought we just had bad luck against the wall. High-level, you want a team building a wall with 3 people guarding Giannis because that should lead to open looks. But it has been our downfall.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202205130MIL.html
Like Giannis forced shots and had some turnovers but we were up 3-2 against Boston in 2022 and Giannis comes in with decent enough efficiency on a 44/20.....but the rest of the team shot 5/26 from 3 ...... Followed up with a 3/29 in Game 7. We saw that in the Heat series as well where we just go cold on 3s from Giannis passes. Was it all personnel? Were the shots not as open as we thought? Was it Giannis just not putting the ball in the right spot for a shooter?

Feel we dont get those Kevin Love/Max Strus/Horford type series were they just kill us on 3s (Granted our d gave them open looks but we should have those open looks based on the triple team of Giannis)

[DingleJerry]

Some of it is because an offense of everyone stand in one place, stare at giannis as he barrels into 3 guys leads to no motion, flow, rhythm for the other guys. So while of course they should still make the shots being pro basketball players who are generally good shooters, but its not surprising their %s take a big dip in that setup with no rhythm.

[ShootingtheJ]

I find it interesting that many think the only offense Giannis can initiate is the Bud offense. Spaced but little movement. Even a dunce like Griffin used simple actions like DHOs, and high screens.

[DingleJerry]

I find it interesting that many think the only offense Giannis can initiate is the Bud offense. Spaced but little movement. Even a dunce like Griffin used simple actions like DHOs, and high screens.

Yea that's fine. I'd guess a Dame to Giannis ball screen should kill too as you can't slack at all off dame and Dames guy is too small to stop him. We've seen it a bit since the change but could do more

Thing is we've seen it for how many years in a row so I'll believe it when I see it that the Giannis initiations in the playoffs aren't primarily iso. Only time they were forced away from it they won

[CharityStripe34]

I just want to see them battle in the finals in their primes with each team fully healthy. My goodness would it be awesome.

Would be an amazing Finals series.

[slos]

I don’t know what happens in the playoffs, but honestly I feel that Horst should force Doc’s hand play younger players. This team is just too old.

Lillard………...…#25
Connaughton...Green
Middleton….…..Beauchamp
Giannis…….…….Jackson…….…..Livingston
Lopez…….……….Portis…….……..#35

That’s the current roster after draft night with just 3 mil ti work under the tax apron. Sign TyTy a standard contract, buy another SRP for a cheaper contract and if there is somehow enough money keep Thanasis for his non basketball 15th role.

Just let someone else overpay Beasley, Bev and Jae are already done IMO, stop bringing more vets and trading picks/youth for the shake of making a trade.

[JayMKE]

Dame has to go in the offseason, gotta get younger and less **** on defense.

[jakecronus8]

I cant fathom blaming Giannis for the team’s shortcomings even in the slightest. He’s possibly the most consistent superstar since Kobe and he’s at his peak powers. I think his athleticism is not where it once was but it’s irrelevant because of his feel for the game.

It’s so obvious to me that the combo of the coaching **** show carousel and the main characters around him being shells of their former selves is closing our window.

I’m not even mad. We got the stadium. We got the deer district. We got the ring. Maybe bummed that we fumbled this stretch but winning is hard.

[pifhluk23]

First I was really hoping for the 3 seed but now I can see the 4 seed is actually in reach with playing the Magic 2x. That's the ideal scenario I think. We can handle the Knicks np and have to face Boston at some point so might as well do it in the 2nd round.

[GoldenAntlers]

I'm curious about the stats (in general) surrounding the games where Dame, Giannis, and Khris all played.

Anybody willing to enlighten me?

[Ron Swanson]

I'm curious about the stats (in general) surrounding the games where Dame, Giannis, and Khris all played.

Anybody willing to enlighten me?

Pretty simple. They're murdering teams when the starters (+14.9 net-rating, still best in the league) are all on the court, and they're a +17.1 net-rating in Dame/Khris/Giannis 3-man lineups. Only one other trio has a better net-rating with more than 600 minutes logged and it's some weird Knicks combo with Hartenstein/Brunson/Hart. Only 500-or-more minute lineup that's better is the Clippers with George/Harden/Powell.

[CharityStripe34]

I'm curious about the stats (in general) surrounding the games where Dame, Giannis, and Khris all played.

Anybody willing to enlighten me?

The starters, whether with Khris or even with Crowder, have been either the best or second best (to Denver's) lineups in net rating (around +14-15 like Ron Swanson showed) all season. To me, it's the only thing that gives me some sense of hope that during the playoffs with tightened rotations and increased minutes to the Top 7 guys, they'll look consistently better from game to game.

[HKPackFan]

If anyone thinks the bucks are on purpose or should lose to drop to the 3rd seed to avoid Miami.... They may not realize Miami has won 3 in a row, beating the knicks Last night and at min Miami is gunning for the 6th seed.

Miami is closing in on the 6th seed and probably grabs it in the next 4-5 games.

So it would be hilariously stupid to drop to the 3 to avoid Miami just to find out Miami is the 6th seed.

[pifhluk23]

If anyone thinks the bucks are on purpose or should lose to drop to the 3rd seed to avoid Miami.... They may not realize Miami has won 3 in a row, beating the knicks Last night and at min Miami is gunning for the 6th seed.

Miami is closing in on the 6th seed and probably grabs it in the next 4-5 games.

So it would be hilariously stupid to drop to the 3 to avoid Miami just to find out Miami is the 6th seed.

They play the 76ers tomorrow and Pacers Sunday, that's when you'd make the decision if any.

[DingleJerry]

I don’t know what happens in the playoffs, but honestly I feel that Horst should force Doc’s hand play younger players. This team is just too old.

Lillard………...…#25
Connaughton...Green
Middleton….…..Beauchamp
Giannis…….…….Jackson…….…..Livingston
Lopez…….……….Portis…….……..#35

That’s the current roster after draft night with just 3 mil ti work under the tax apron. Sign TyTy a standard contract, buy another SRP for a cheaper contract and if there is somehow enough money keep Thanasis for his non basketball 15th role.

Just let someone else overpay Beasley, Bev and Jae are already done IMO, stop bringing more vets and trading picks/youth for the shake of making a trade.

I'd guess the move this year if they don't make any kind of respectable run would be a Brook based trade. Not gonna guess who for but somehow getting a competent player or two back under say age 29 would help the age/speed/athleticism issues. Obviously you're not expecting a ton back at his age but its the last year of his contract so might be the last time to get anything back.

[Ron Swanson]

I actually think they're in a pretty good position to re-tool in the offseason if things go south. You're really only locked into Dame and Giannis long term, and those are the only two guys you wanna be locked into long term anyways. Brook still being a really good player that teams want and also a big expiring contract is a pretty good trade chip to have. Bobby still gonna be an asset with his age/production/salary, and you'll have two picks in the range where they should more valuable than previous years due to the new draft format. Smart money would certainly be on revamping the front-court sans Giannis with more lineup flexibility. Wouldn't surprise me if they revisit some of the bigger contract guys they've been linked to the past couple seasons like Jerami Grant, Dejounte, Kuzma, etc.

[Milbucks96]

If they bow out early again, you gotta wonder if the owners start penny pinching. They haven’t yet, but I’m guessing they’re banking on playoff ticket revenue to help supplement the tax bill.

[ReasonablySober]

Dame would be the first to go if they don't make a deep run this season. He doesn't want to be here, is expensive as hell. He can be some other team's problem. That team will justify it because they're not Milwaukee, Wisconsin.