Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
Moderators: theBigLip, Cowology, dVs33, Snakebites
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- Head Coach
- Posts: 6,575
- And1: 1,405
- Joined: Jul 25, 2010
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
Honestly our solutions are simple.
1. Draft best available player
2. You sign best available player on any position but point guard.
3. Based on what you did with 1 and 2 you can make decisions to trade or keep Sasser, Ivey, Stewart, Duren for a legitimate wing or guard to play next to Cade.
That’s how you fix the team.
Scenario 1. Draft Sarr, trade Duren, keep Wiseman. Sign best available player or two. Trade one of Sasser Ivey or Grimes for veteran contract, I’d trade Sasser and a contract for a wing, resign Flynn as backup PG.
The secret is to hit on a second round pick in this draft.
1. Draft best available player
2. You sign best available player on any position but point guard.
3. Based on what you did with 1 and 2 you can make decisions to trade or keep Sasser, Ivey, Stewart, Duren for a legitimate wing or guard to play next to Cade.
That’s how you fix the team.
Scenario 1. Draft Sarr, trade Duren, keep Wiseman. Sign best available player or two. Trade one of Sasser Ivey or Grimes for veteran contract, I’d trade Sasser and a contract for a wing, resign Flynn as backup PG.
The secret is to hit on a second round pick in this draft.
Defense wins championships
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- Head Coach
- Posts: 6,575
- And1: 1,405
- Joined: Jul 25, 2010
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
I have to say Ivey has been much worse than I expected after the all star break. That’s the opposite of what happened to him last season so that’s disappointing. I would give him the third year but I would for sure make him come off the bench and man the second unit. I think it’s more than fine if Ivey makes a career off the bench, as long as the pieces fit it doesn’t matter. Grimes can start over Ivey. I think we should draft best available again this draft. If the player doesn’t fit, trade the pick.
Defense wins championships
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 4,857
- And1: 2,436
- Joined: Feb 20, 2017
- Location: Bangkok
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
- The Moose
- General Manager
- Posts: 9,228
- And1: 5,190
- Joined: Apr 18, 2012
- Location: Australia
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
you cannot start Ivey next year and be competitive
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- Veteran
- Posts: 2,560
- And1: 1,296
- Joined: Jan 30, 2014
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
Tough lost. Duren and Ivey should have showed out without Cade, but Flynn went crazy tonight.
Ivey better he careful or he'll end up being a 6th man soon. I still got hope he'll do well, but just be careful.
Ivey better he careful or he'll end up being a 6th man soon. I still got hope he'll do well, but just be careful.
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- Starter
- Posts: 2,464
- And1: 627
- Joined: Jun 30, 2011
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
Gotta be the most WTF piston season ever.
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 4,857
- And1: 2,436
- Joined: Feb 20, 2017
- Location: Bangkok
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
The Moose wrote:you cannot start Ivey next year and be competitive
No we surely cannot. Hes at BEST a 6th man ITL. Stuff like below with Ivey he has no awareness just a airhead.
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 4,857
- And1: 2,436
- Joined: Feb 20, 2017
- Location: Bangkok
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- Senior
- Posts: 603
- And1: 328
- Joined: Dec 30, 2014
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
Mr. Flynn..........
You have our attention.
You have our attention.
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
- whitehops
- General Manager
- Posts: 8,030
- And1: 6,705
- Joined: Dec 12, 2012
- Location: Toronto
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
buzzkilloton wrote:The Moose wrote:you cannot start Ivey next year and be competitive
No we surely cannot. Hes at BEST a 6th man ITL. Stuff like below with Ivey he has no awareness just a airhead.
yeah i was apprehensive last season and disappointed he hasn't made strides in this area but his lack of awareness is a huge red flag. today's league with everybody trying to play 0.5 basketball means EVERY player on the floor has to have good awareness and make good and quick decisions on both ends of the floor. ivey is showing he really lacks that natural ability, and it's not an an or experience thing. ausar for example, despite some of his skills lacking has shown that he has really good awareness which makes me a lot more hopeful about his development.
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- Sixth Man
- Posts: 1,704
- And1: 575
- Joined: Jul 04, 2016
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
Even though the front office forced Monty to start Ivey, it was nice to see him benched after a minute in the 2nd half for Flynn.
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- Analyst
- Posts: 3,435
- And1: 1,362
- Joined: Nov 28, 2012
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
Hot take time, Ivey is worse than Killian Hayes right now. Hopefully his trade value isn't fully evaporated, it would be nice to trade him for an upgrade. I worry other teams are seeing the same things we see though.
Jeff Van Gundy on his brother's Pistons: 'He took over the Titanic and it's sinking even quicker'
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- Forum Mod - Pistons
- Posts: 16,469
- And1: 3,146
- Joined: May 22, 2001
- Location: Santa Cruz, CA
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
Missed the game. This was great to watch. WTF, it’s hard to comprehend this 50. Makes me think differently about keepers for next year.
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- Veteran
- Posts: 2,560
- And1: 1,296
- Joined: Jan 30, 2014
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
Moses ShamMoses wrote:Hot take time, Ivey is worse than Killian Hayes right now.
Sometimes, I really wonder about some people on this board. I mean, seriously.
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 9,953
- And1: 2,818
- Joined: Jun 01, 2013
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
Was at this game, and saw it live Flynn being Steph Curry for the night. One of the most bizarre sequences I've seen
Atlanta at one point threw multiple guys at him to slow him down. But I could also tell they were going a bit light last night too which made it a closer game than expected
Ivey looked rough, no other way to put it. Duren was disappointing too, the lack of offense for him besides putbacks and a small hook shot really limits what we can do down there while guys just hover around the perimeter
Just seeing this live is pretty disappointing but not unexpected
Atlanta at one point threw multiple guys at him to slow him down. But I could also tell they were going a bit light last night too which made it a closer game than expected
Ivey looked rough, no other way to put it. Duren was disappointing too, the lack of offense for him besides putbacks and a small hook shot really limits what we can do down there while guys just hover around the perimeter
Just seeing this live is pretty disappointing but not unexpected
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- Sixth Man
- Posts: 1,704
- And1: 575
- Joined: Jul 04, 2016
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
“Anytime you have that combination of size and skill, you’re a unique player,” Atlanta Hawks head coach Quin Snyder said of Cunningham. “We forget sometimes how young guys are when they first come into the league and what that means. When you miss a year due to injury, not only do you have to recover from the experience that a year can provide, but everything that goes along with that rehabilitation process. “He’s a really, really good player, and that’s what you see when you watch him play, playing against him or watching him on tape.”
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- Sixth Man
- Posts: 1,790
- And1: 347
- Joined: Jul 31, 2004
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
Uncle Mxy wrote:We hate on Ivey so much that we forget to hate on Sasser.
Something is wrong with him, he has regressed.
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- Head Coach
- Posts: 6,575
- And1: 1,405
- Joined: Jul 25, 2010
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
The Moose wrote:you cannot start Ivey next year and be competitive
Uh oh I’ve been saying this about Ivey since beginning of the season ever since Monty benched him. Maybe fans are finally understanding Monty knows what he’s doing. Back to killian starting? Killian should’ve been traded a year before he got waived. Weaver gave a bunch of garbage to Monty to coach and was told to win games with a rookie lineup. I don’t believe any coach can win with these idiots.
Defense wins championships
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- Head Coach
- Posts: 6,575
- And1: 1,405
- Joined: Jul 25, 2010
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
whitehops wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:The Moose wrote:you cannot start Ivey next year and be competitive
No we surely cannot. Hes at BEST a 6th man ITL. Stuff like below with Ivey he has no awareness just a airhead.
yeah i was apprehensive last season and disappointed he hasn't made strides in this area but his lack of awareness is a huge red flag. today's league with everybody trying to play 0.5 basketball means EVERY player on the floor has to have good awareness and make good and quick decisions on both ends of the floor. ivey is showing he really lacks that natural ability, and it's not an an or experience thing. ausar for example, despite some of his skills lacking has shown that he has really good awareness which makes me a lot more hopeful about his development.
I agree Ivey has poor awareness. That’s also where I am with Duren’s defensive awareness. Wiseman has shown more awareness on defense being able to contest shots at the rim. I see Wiseman contesting way more than Duren does. I don’t care for Duren’s numbers. IMO he’s the most valuable young player and we need to use him to get a legitimate wing. Anything to get us out of the gutter!
Defense wins championships
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
-
- Analyst
- Posts: 3,435
- And1: 1,362
- Joined: Nov 28, 2012
Re: Game 76 - Pistons @ Hawks - 7:30pm ET
Neptune wrote:Moses ShamMoses wrote:Hot take time, Ivey is worse than Killian Hayes right now.
Sometimes, I really wonder about some people on this board. I mean, seriously.
I mean I said it was a hot take...but you can't seriously watch Ivey and think he's a good basketball player right now either. He stinks on both ends of the floor. At least Killian played defense.
Jeff Van Gundy on his brother's Pistons: 'He took over the Titanic and it's sinking even quicker'