SAC - TOR: B Brown for Huerter++

[MessiahUjiri]

Sacramento wants to compete, but they need to add toughness and defense to complement their core 3 offensive minded players.

Toronto is rebuilding, and was dangling Brown for 2 1sts which was an inflated ask. They’re going to shop him again at the draft.


Here’s the trade:

Bruce Brown for Kevin Huerter, Sasha Vezenkov, 2 2nds (‘24 SAC & ‘25 POR)


Brown fits seamlessly on the Kings. He defends well, doesn’t need the ball, and does all the little things that matter in the playoffs. He’s also shown to work well off Jokic, which bodes well for Sabonis.


Raptors can play Huerter as a spark plug shooter, or flip him to a playoff team. Sasha is a backup PF, and they get 2 2nds including Portland’s 2025 2nd, which should be in the 30s.

[Colbinii]

I don't consider Bruce Brown a seamless fit in Sacramento.

His shooting leaves much to be desired while Huerter is a bomber from deep. Add in the additional assets and it's an easy no from Sacramento.

[jbk1234]

I think a team like the Pistons would eat Huerter's contract for free. They really need a younger shooter whose defense is at least passable off the bench. I don't know that Brown is going to be considered an asset at the start of free agency. Maybe at the end when a team like the Spurs has to hit the salary floor anyway.

[MessiahUjiri]

I don't consider Bruce Brown a seamless fit in Sacramento.

His shooting leaves much to be desired while Huerter is a bomber from deep. Add in the additional assets and it's an easy no from Sacramento.

The idea of him being a poor shooter is not factually correct. Bruce Brown has shot an average 35% from 3 for the last 5 seasons.


Huerter is a better shooter than Brown, but that’s not what they need to win a playoff round. In fact, Huerter has a record of shooting less than 30% in the playoffs, so even that skill gets minimized. With Fox/Murray/Sabonis/Barnes/Monk, there is a very good amount of floor spacing already in Sacramento.

All their main guys are offensively oriented. With Brown, you get a tough minded veteran who can plug into the 1-3 in most lineups, and doesn’t need the ball.

They won’t have the cap space to sign anyone after resigning Monk. By this summer, it will be obvious that Huerter is the odd man out in Sacramento, and they won’t win anything unless they add defense.

[Colbinii]

I don't consider Bruce Brown a seamless fit in Sacramento.

His shooting leaves much to be desired while Huerter is a bomber from deep. Add in the additional assets and it's an easy no from Sacramento.

The idea of him being a poor shooter is not factually correct. Bruce Brown has shot an average 35% from 3 for the last 5 seasons.

I never said poor shooter, I said it leaves something to be desired. Bruce Brown isn't a player who scares you from the 3P line like Huerter does.

He is at 34.8% the last 5 season, why did you go 5 seasons and not his whole career--6 seasons? Probably because you thought 33.7% looked notably worse.

Huerter is a better shooter than Brown, but that’s not what they need to win a playoff round. In fact, Huerter has a record of shooting less than 30% in the playoffs, so even that skill gets minimized. With Fox/Murray/Sabonis/Barnes/Monk, there is a very good amount of floor spacing already in Sacramento.

Again, Brown isn't spacing the floor. He isn't providing the spacing Huerter is as Brown isn't respected beyond the 3P line like Huerter is.

If you feel like there is meaning in a tiny sample size of a variance like 3P shooting, then you can value the tiny sample size at face value.

All their main guys are offensively oriented. With Brown, you get a tough minded veteran who can plug into the 1-3 in most lineups, and doesn’t need the ball.

I agree they have an offensive oriented team, but Bruce Brown is a low-impact, low-usage role player who isn't an actual higher-end defensive piece.

If I were Sacramento, I wouldn't give assets and a better player [Huerter] for Bruce Brown. I would want to aim higher if I am trading both Huerter AND assets.

[Mike lorenzo]

I think a team like the Pistons would eat Huerter's contract for free. They really need a younger shooter whose defense is at least passable off the bench. I don't know that Brown is going to be considered an asset at the start of free agency. Maybe at the end when a team like the Spurs has to hit the salary floor anyway.

I'm not sure that BBrown is a pressing need for Sacramento especially with the appearance of Ellis, I think they are good in the 1/2/3 positions... I would change the objective... how about I.Stewart of the Detroit Pistons?? too I like Huerter in the PISTONS. who I think is a better player in a vacuum... so... Kings get I.Stewart who is a better fit at the 4 helping Sabonis protect the rim and providing toughness. K.Huerter+ 2/3 SRP??? to the PISTONS... Pistons get an upgrade in talent and some small assets and can replace Stewart at FA with Jalen Smith or Goga Bitadze..

BBrown fits me on a team like the Lakers like a type of glue, something around JHS+Vincent

[MessiahUjiri]

I don't consider Bruce Brown a seamless fit in Sacramento.

His shooting leaves much to be desired while Huerter is a bomber from deep. Add in the additional assets and it's an easy no from Sacramento.

The idea of him being a poor shooter is not factually correct. Bruce Brown has shot an average 35% from 3 for the last 5 seasons.

I never said poor shooter, I said it leaves something to be desired. Bruce Brown isn't a player who scares you from the 3P line like Huerter does.

He is at 34.8% the last 5 season, why did you go 5 seasons and not his whole career--6 seasons? Probably because you thought 33.7% looked notably worse.

Huerter is a better shooter than Brown, but that’s not what they need to win a playoff round. In fact, Huerter has a record of shooting less than 30% in the playoffs, so even that skill gets minimized. With Fox/Murray/Sabonis/Barnes/Monk, there is a very good amount of floor spacing already in Sacramento.

Again, Brown isn't spacing the floor. He isn't providing the spacing Huerter is as Brown isn't respected beyond the 3P line like Huerter is.

If you feel like there is meaning in a tiny sample size of a variance like 3P shooting, then you can value the tiny sample size at face value.

All their main guys are offensively oriented. With Brown, you get a tough minded veteran who can plug into the 1-3 in most lineups, and doesn’t need the ball.

I agree they have an offensive oriented team, but Bruce Brown is a low-impact, low-usage role player who isn't an actual higher-end defensive piece.

If I were Sacramento, I wouldn't give assets and a better player [Huerter] for Bruce Brown. I would want to aim higher if I am trading both Huerter AND assets.

If you don’t think five years of data is enough and you have to go back and try to dig up somebody’s rookie numbers to criticize them then you are clearly on the losing side of this argument.

Also, the fact that you don’t see an off-ball hustle vet as an upgrade over Huerter + 2 2nds is very interesting.

[Colbinii]

The idea of him being a poor shooter is not factually correct. Bruce Brown has shot an average 35% from 3 for the last 5 seasons.

I never said poor shooter, I said it leaves something to be desired. Bruce Brown isn't a player who scares you from the 3P line like Huerter does.

He is at 34.8% the last 5 season, why did you go 5 seasons and not his whole career--6 seasons? Probably because you thought 33.7% looked notably worse.

Huerter is a better shooter than Brown, but that’s not what they need to win a playoff round. In fact, Huerter has a record of shooting less than 30% in the playoffs, so even that skill gets minimized. With Fox/Murray/Sabonis/Barnes/Monk, there is a very good amount of floor spacing already in Sacramento.

Again, Brown isn't spacing the floor. He isn't providing the spacing Huerter is as Brown isn't respected beyond the 3P line like Huerter is.

If you feel like there is meaning in a tiny sample size of a variance like 3P shooting, then you can value the tiny sample size at face value.

All their main guys are offensively oriented. With Brown, you get a tough minded veteran who can plug into the 1-3 in most lineups, and doesn’t need the ball.

I agree they have an offensive oriented team, but Bruce Brown is a low-impact, low-usage role player who isn't an actual higher-end defensive piece.

If I were Sacramento, I wouldn't give assets and a better player [Huerter] for Bruce Brown. I would want to aim higher if I am trading both Huerter AND assets.

If you don’t think five years of data is enough and you have to go back and try to dig up somebody’s rookie numbers to criticize them then you are clearly on the losing side of this argument.

That isn't the point. Why not use 4 years or 3 years?

And why are you so sure Brown's 660 3PA is a large enough sample?

FWIW, Bruce Brown's total 3PA for the past 5 years [RS + PS combined, larger sample than just RS] is 30% from 3P. That seems more accurate since it is the same time frame you selected but includes more attempts.

Also, the fact that you don’t see an off-ball hustle vet as an upgrade over Huerter + 2 2nds is very interesting.

Correct, I value Huerter's shooting significantly more than I value Bruce Brown's inability to be good at anything.

[ejftw]

Yeah, not sure I'd deal Huerter alone for Brown, let alone add what could be a meaningful second.

[islandboy53]

I never said poor shooter, I said it leaves something to be desired. Bruce Brown isn't a player who scares you from the 3P line like Huerter does.

He is at 34.8% the last 5 season, why did you go 5 seasons and not his whole career--6 seasons? Probably because you thought 33.7% looked notably worse.



Again, Brown isn't spacing the floor. He isn't providing the spacing Huerter is as Brown isn't respected beyond the 3P line like Huerter is.

If you feel like there is meaning in a tiny sample size of a variance like 3P shooting, then you can value the tiny sample size at face value.



I agree they have an offensive oriented team, but Bruce Brown is a low-impact, low-usage role player who isn't an actual higher-end defensive piece.

If I were Sacramento, I wouldn't give assets and a better player [Huerter] for Bruce Brown. I would want to aim higher if I am trading both Huerter AND assets.

If you don’t think five years of data is enough and you have to go back and try to dig up somebody’s rookie numbers to criticize them then you are clearly on the losing side of this argument.

That isn't the point. Why not use 4 years or 3 years?

And why are you so sure Brown's 660 3PA is a large enough sample?

FWIW, Bruce Brown's total 3PA for the past 5 years [RS + PS combined, larger sample than just RS] is 30% from 3P. That seems more accurate since it is the same time frame you selected but includes more attempts.

Also, the fact that you don’t see an off-ball hustle vet as an upgrade over Huerter + 2 2nds is very interesting.

Correct, I value Huerter's shooting significantly more than I value Bruce Brown's inability to be good at anything.

We can concede that Huerter's career 3 point % is better than Brown's in the regular season. We can also concede that Brown is a better defender. Brown shoots more free throws, at a better rate, has a better overall FG%, and grabs more rebounds, while their assists per 36 are virtually identical, all in the regular season. In the playoffs, Brown continues to have a clear edge in free throws and rebounding, and is slightly better from 3, while Huerter gets a small edge in assists. It's also interesting to note that, in the playoffs, Huerter's overall FG% drops substantially, while Brown's increases substantially. So, maybe reflect on who's the better overall player. With that said, let's see how much everyone values Huerter after Sacramento misses the playoffs entirely or, best case, gets blown out in the 1st round.

[Colbinii]

With that said, let's see how much everyone values Huerter after Sacramento misses the playoffs entirely or, best case, gets blown out in the 1st round.

Huerter is out for the season. Why would our perception of him change if Sacramento did poorly?

[LightTheBeam]

I have no issues trading Huerter + 2nd for Brown. I'm of the opinion that the Kings need to prioritize defense.

I don't really want to move Sasha. Swap him for Duarte and I'd be in.

My preference is Huerter + Barnes for Brown + Boucher.

Think that works the best for both teams.

[HartfordWhalers]

I value Huerter more than brown.

[islandboy53]

With that said, let's see how much everyone values Huerter after Sacramento misses the playoffs entirely or, best case, gets blown out in the 1st round.

Huerter is out for the season. Why would our perception of him change if Sacramento did poorly?

Sacramento may or may not make the playoffs, but Huerter's absence has allowed the Kings to see the value of Keon Ellis, whose strengths are more on the defensive side of the ball. It calls into question Huerter's value in terms of making this a better team moving forward. If the Kings can turn him into Brown, a substantially better defender whose overall offensive production is comparable, it should be a positive.

In terms of the trade proposal, Huerter's salary alone is enough. However, it pushes the Kings over the tax line if they are able to retain Monk for a competitive amount, so one of Vezenkov, Mitchell, or Duarte keeps them just under the tax line. I don't think Sacramento needs to send back 2nds.

[Mr Swagtastic]

I have no issues trading Huerter + 2nd for Brown. I'm of the opinion that the Kings need to prioritize defense.

I don't really want to move Sasha. Swap him for Duarte and I'd be in.

My preference is Huerter + Barnes for Brown + Boucher.

Think that works the best for both teams.

Toronto really doesn't need Harrison Barnes when they have RJ Barrett on their roster making the same type of money. I don't see how both can coexist, paying Harrison Barnes 18 and 19 million dollars in the next 2 years to do what exactly?

Huerter is decent but I feel like Toronto's owed a little bit of value here especially considering they're taking on two more years of Harrison Barnes' deal.

[MessiahUjiri]

I have no issues trading Huerter + 2nd for Brown. I'm of the opinion that the Kings need to prioritize defense.

I don't really want to move Sasha. Swap him for Duarte and I'd be in.

My preference is Huerter + Barnes for Brown + Boucher.

Think that works the best for both teams.

Toronto really doesn't need Harrison Barnes when they have RJ Barrett on their roster making the same type of money. I don't see how both can coexist, paying Harrison Barnes 18 and 19 million dollars in the next 2 years to do what exactly?

Huerter is decent but I feel like Toronto's owed a little bit of value here especially considering they're taking on two more years of Harrison Barnes' deal.

I think it’s a decent idea actually, since Barnes plays the PF/SF, and Barrett is more of a SG/SF.

Value wise I’d do it if they add in a 2nd.

Direction wise, this is a win-now move and I think Raps are actually looking to build for the future.

[Mr Swagtastic]

I have no issues trading Huerter + 2nd for Brown. I'm of the opinion that the Kings need to prioritize defense.

I don't really want to move Sasha. Swap him for Duarte and I'd be in.

My preference is Huerter + Barnes for Brown + Boucher.

Think that works the best for both teams.

Toronto really doesn't need Harrison Barnes when they have RJ Barrett on their roster making the same type of money. I don't see how both can coexist, paying Harrison Barnes 18 and 19 million dollars in the next 2 years to do what exactly?

Huerter is decent but I feel like Toronto's owed a little bit of value here especially considering they're taking on two more years of Harrison Barnes' deal.

I think it’s a decent idea actually, since Barnes plays the PF/SF, and Barrett is more of a SG/SF.

Value wise I’d do it if they add in a 2nd.

Direction wise, this is a win-now move and I think Raps are actually looking to build for the future.

It all depends on what Toronto is going to do this off season. If Quickley is priced out of their plans and signs and offer sheet that Toronto does not want to match then this makes zero sense to bring in Harrison Barnes to become a very expensive backup. I still think this Toronto team isn't good enough. We are a very mediocre team right now I don't see how Huerter plus Harrison Barnes make Toronto a 6-8 seed in the East unless they hit on both of their first round picks. Also where do you expect Gradey Dick and Agbaji factor in on your depth chart?