Washington - Brooklyn - Dallas - Toronto

[Godaddycurse]

Washington trade: Jones (S&T 33M/yr 1st yr guaranteed only)
Washington receive: THJ, McDaniels, OMax

Dallas trade: THJ, Omax, TOR 2025 2nd, best of DAL 2028 2nds
Dallas receive: DFS, Diop

Toronto trade: McDaniels, Boucher, Brown
Toronto receive: Simmons, TOR 2025 2nd, best of DAL 2028 2nds

Brooklyn trade: Simmons, DFS, Diop
Brooklyn receive: Brown, Boucher, Jones (S&T 33M/yr 1st yr guaranteed only)

Why for Brooklyn: Upgrade guard rotation without touching 2025 capspace plans or their stockpile of picks
Why for Dallas: bring back old friend to fill SF void
Why for Toronto: been rumored to be interested in Simmons at various points in the past. Even if/when simmons dont pan out still get a couple of 2nds for Brown and free up some roster spots to try out young players
Why for Washington: Get a prospect for eating some salary (comp is lowry for dragic/achiuwa)
Why for Jones: $$$

Claxton/Sharpe
Johnson/Boucher
Bridges/
Brown/Thomas
Jones/Schroder

Gafford/Lively
PJ/Kleber
DFS/Green
Irving/Hardy
Doncic/Exum

[Mavrelous]

Had to check who Diop was...
This is a yes for DAL, as long as they have Maxi for a scoring guard deal (Maxi + 25 1st for Sexton for example).

I think Tyus gets 60/4 guaranteed, and takes it, if you meant 33M for the 1st year only, then Tyus would take it and run, I also think BK would prefer Raps waive Brown and take Simmons into cap space.

[drchaos]

I think Dallas needs to cough up a first rounder if they are getting DFS for spare parts.

If they did the Nets would just cut out the other two teems and keep the pick instead of paying to get off an expiring Simmons contract.

A one year rental of Jones doesn't really do it for them.

[daoneandonly]

^^Don't think Dal owes a first if the're giving up Omax who was just a first months ago

I think if BKN were interested in Green, a straight swap of DFS for Josh Green would be a lot simpler and make sense for both teams

[Godaddycurse]

Had to check who Diop was...
This is a yes for DAL, as long as they have Maxi for a scoring guard deal (Maxi + 25 1st for Sexton for example).

I think Tyus gets 60/4 guaranteed, and takes it, if you meant 33M for the 1st year only, then Tyus would take it and run, I also think BK would prefer Raps waive Brown and take Simmons into cap space.

Ya i meant 33M guaranteed 1st year. Idea is for brooklyn to upgrade PG without messing with their FA plans, like the fvv deal with houston but shorter. Theres no guarantee brown will sign with brooklyn if waived, and im not sure they can find a similar player available for a 1 yr deal only. He also represents useful salary ballast if needed for a midseason trade (ie mitchell doesn't extend and cavs pull the plug midseason)

[Texas Chuck]

Don't get this for Brooklyn. If they want to turn Simmons into guard help they could do that without having to do DFS for Brown.

Seems great for Dallas who gets back an old friend for Prosper and for Toronto who trades filler for their value in picks while also getting the potential upside out of Simmons.

For Washington its just how do they view Prosper. That's a fair amount of money to take on, so they need to see something in him. Right idea for them, just don't know how they feel about the player.

[jayjaysee]

Seems like “stacked” value might be right for Brooklyn to do this. Just think they’d be better off just doing the Toronto part and then trading DFS for a first.

[Godaddycurse]

Seems like “stacked” value might be right for Brooklyn to do this. Just think they’d be better off just doing the Toronto part and then trading DFS for a first.

i think their biggest need is a PG which Toronto part dont fix. also not sure they have the right 2nds that we would want

[Godaddycurse]

Don't get this for Brooklyn. If they want to turn Simmons into guard help they could do that without having to do DFS for Brown.

Seems great for Dallas who gets back an old friend for Prosper and for Toronto who trades filler for their value in picks while also getting the potential upside out of Simmons.

For Washington its just how do they view Prosper. That's a fair amount of money to take on, so they need to see something in him. Right idea for them, just don't know how they feel about the player.

For Brooklyn its more so upgrading from Simmons to Jones while downgrading from DFS to Brown. I think that improves their play on court significantly since PG was an achilles heel for them this year. Based on their reluctance to trade veterans for picks this year i think they will try for the play-in next year again while bidding their time for 2025 offseason.

[TGW]

This is complete crap for the Wizards. Easy no.

[Texas Chuck]

This is complete crap for the Wizards. Easy no.

Always super helpful to just say something is crap without saying why. Please in the future when you come to tell us why the latest deal sucks for the Wizards to tell us why. Otherwise you aren't contributing anything useful to the discussion.

Thanks!

[jayjaysee]

Seems like “stacked” value might be right for Brooklyn to do this. Just think they’d be better off just doing the Toronto part and then trading DFS for a first.

i think their biggest need is a PG which Toronto part dont fix. also not sure they have the right 2nds that we would want

On the seconds / maybe-maybe not. I really don’t know what seconds Brooklyn owns. They could top Dallas in quantity probably.

I just think they’d be better off with an extra first than with a top 25 (ish?) point guard. The extra few wins will really change nothing for them. If this was part two and they landed a star forward and wanted to try and win a playoff series , sure. But Houston can draft 8th next year.

[TGW]

This is complete crap for the Wizards. Easy no.

Always super helpful to just say something is crap without saying why. Please in the future when you come to tell us why the latest deal sucks for the Wizards to tell us why. Otherwise you aren't contributing anything useful to the discussion.

Thanks!

What's there to explain? The Wizards trade a legitimately good player to take on money for two unwanted end of bench scrubs.

Happy now?

[Godaddycurse]

This is complete crap for the Wizards. Easy no.

Always super helpful to just say something is crap without saying why. Please in the future when you come to tell us why the latest deal sucks for the Wizards to tell us why. Otherwise you aren't contributing anything useful to the discussion.

Thanks!

What's there to explain? The Wizards trade a legitimately good player to take on money for two unwanted end of bench scrubs.

Happy now?

he's a FA and S&T rarely returned more than OP (I even included a comp). Fair enough if you don't like OMax as a prospect though

[Texas Chuck]

This is complete crap for the Wizards. Easy no.

Always super helpful to just say something is crap without saying why. Please in the future when you come to tell us why the latest deal sucks for the Wizards to tell us why. Otherwise you aren't contributing anything useful to the discussion.

Thanks!

What's there to explain? The Wizards trade a legitimately good player to take on money for two unwanted end of bench scrubs.

Happy now?

I shouldn't have to keep reminding you to contribute. You are relentlessly negative on Wizards trades and rarely contribute any reasoning. Just this sucks. Washington declines, etc...

How does this help the OP? How does this help discussion?

[Colbinii]

Why is Toronto even here? Because OP is a Toronto fan.

I think it is important to remember when making trades, the less teams the better. So, I ask, can this be done without Toronto?

Brooklyn Out: Ben Simmons, Dorian Finney-Smith
Brooklyn In: Tyus Jones (S+T), Richaun Holmes, Tim Hardaway Jr, best of DAL 2028 2nd

Dallas Out: Tim Hardaway Jr, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, TOR 2025 2nd, best of DAL 2028 2nd
Dallas In: Dorian Finney-Smith

Washington Out: Tyus Jones (S+T), Richaun Holmes
Washington In: Ben Simmons, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, TOR 2025 2nd

Something like this seems more reasonable than OP. It doesn't include Toronto Siphoning value, it makes it easier to adjust value as the deal is tweaked [maybe a 2nd goes here or there, or 1 less 2nd is included, ect].

[Godaddycurse]

Why is Toronto even here? Because OP is a Toronto fan.

I think it is important to remember when making trades, the less teams the better. So, I ask, can this be done without Toronto?

Brooklyn Out: Ben Simmons, Dorian Finney-Smith
Brooklyn In: Tyus Jones (S+T), Richaun Holmes, Tim Hardaway Jr, best of DAL 2028 2nd

Dallas Out: Tim Hardaway Jr, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, TOR 2025 2nd, best of DAL 2028 2nd
Dallas In: Dorian Finney-Smith

Washington Out: Tyus Jones (S+T), Richaun Holmes
Washington In: Ben Simmons, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, TOR 2025 2nd

Something like this seems more reasonable than OP. It doesn't include Toronto Siphoning value, it makes it easier to adjust value as the deal is tweaked [maybe a 2nd goes here or there, or 1 less 2nd is included, ect].

so problem with this is Tyus Jones is only worth ~17M outgoing due to BYC and I'm fairly certain wizards dont have enough caproom to absorb the difference between Simmons and Jones BYC + Holmes salary. If you add Bagley too then thats too much salary going back to brooklyn/would put them in the tax to bring back claxton

My line of thought was:

1) Brooklyn swap Simmons for Jones at a bloated 1 yr contract
2) use DFS instead of a pick to do so
3) get someone to take on Simmons because washington can't due to BYC

Whether it be Toronto or another team they will need to be paid to take on Simmons' pretty much deadweight contract

[Colbinii]

Why is Toronto even here? Because OP is a Toronto fan.

I think it is important to remember when making trades, the less teams the better. So, I ask, can this be done without Toronto?

Brooklyn Out: Ben Simmons, Dorian Finney-Smith
Brooklyn In: Tyus Jones (S+T), Richaun Holmes, Tim Hardaway Jr, best of DAL 2028 2nd

Dallas Out: Tim Hardaway Jr, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, TOR 2025 2nd, best of DAL 2028 2nd
Dallas In: Dorian Finney-Smith

Washington Out: Tyus Jones (S+T), Richaun Holmes
Washington In: Ben Simmons, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, TOR 2025 2nd

Something like this seems more reasonable than OP. It doesn't include Toronto Siphoning value, it makes it easier to adjust value as the deal is tweaked [maybe a 2nd goes here or there, or 1 less 2nd is included, ect].

so problem with this is Tyus Jones is only worth ~17M outgoing due to BYC and I'm fairly certain wizards dont have enough caproom to absorb the difference between Simmons and Jones BYC + Holmes salary. If you add Bagley too then thats too much salary going back to brooklyn/would put them in the tax to bring back claxton

My line of thought was:

1) Brooklyn swap Simmons for Jones at a bloated 1 yr contract
2) use DFS instead of a pick to do so
3) get someone to take on Simmons because washington can't due to BYC

I have Washington at ~117 Million next year, ~24 Million below the Cap Line. I think they could easily use a 2nd to get rid of Holmes in order to make this deal work if they need to [essentially trading a 2nd for Oliver-Maxence Prosper].

[jayjaysee]

Washington and Brooklyn have TPE’s to play with so think it’s doable to work around

[Godaddycurse]

Why is Toronto even here? Because OP is a Toronto fan.

I think it is important to remember when making trades, the less teams the better. So, I ask, can this be done without Toronto?

Brooklyn Out: Ben Simmons, Dorian Finney-Smith
Brooklyn In: Tyus Jones (S+T), Richaun Holmes, Tim Hardaway Jr, best of DAL 2028 2nd

Dallas Out: Tim Hardaway Jr, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, TOR 2025 2nd, best of DAL 2028 2nd
Dallas In: Dorian Finney-Smith

Washington Out: Tyus Jones (S+T), Richaun Holmes
Washington In: Ben Simmons, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, TOR 2025 2nd

Something like this seems more reasonable than OP. It doesn't include Toronto Siphoning value, it makes it easier to adjust value as the deal is tweaked [maybe a 2nd goes here or there, or 1 less 2nd is included, ect].

so problem with this is Tyus Jones is only worth ~17M outgoing due to BYC and I'm fairly certain wizards dont have enough caproom to absorb the difference between Simmons and Jones BYC + Holmes salary. If you add Bagley too then thats too much salary going back to brooklyn/would put them in the tax to bring back claxton

My line of thought was:

1) Brooklyn swap Simmons for Jones at a bloated 1 yr contract
2) use DFS instead of a pick to do so
3) get someone to take on Simmons because washington can't due to BYC

I have Washington at ~117 Million next year, ~24 Million below the Cap Line. I think they could easily use a 2nd to get rid of Holmes in order to make this deal work if they need to [essentially trading a 2nd for Oliver-Maxence Prosper].

hmm looks like i forgot shamet's deal is unguaranteed. bref had them at 127M. I stand corrected