Can Pistons Steal Quickley?

[theBigLip]

I could 100% see the pistons moving ivey. I could 100% see the pistons overpaying someone in free agency. I don't see them giving up ivey for the right to overpay someone in free agency. That would be some horrible asset management.

Even though I think Ivey will continue to improve and can be an above average starter in this league, and he’s still on a rookie contract, if the right deal comes along, sure we can trade him. But this isn’t it. This seems more of a lateral move to me. Pistons should wait for someone to flame out of the playoffs and want to start a rebuild, and get a great player in a trade. Otherwise just keep Ivey.

[jbk1234]

If you give IQ more than $80M over 4 years, you're not stealing anything.

[oldncreaky]

Several posts have already said it - Pistons have needs and they have the cap space to fix them. Very specifically, more 3pt shooters, and at SG, SF or PF (I know, we don’t have positions anymore but you know what I mean). If the Pistons have $70M+ to spend this summer, they can fill all those voids. PG/Combo Guard is not really an issue.

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Overpaying for OG on a max offer I can see because at least he fills gaping roster needs. OTOH overpaying for a ball-dominant PG when we already have difficult extension decisions coming up for both Cade and Ivey would be horrible asset management.

Not to mention godaddy has laid out all the reasons why Toronto would match anuway

I sure hope Weaver doesn't read this thread!

[eitanr]

Several posts have already said it - Pistons have needs and they have the cap space to fix them. Very specifically, more 3pt shooters, and at SG, SF or PF (I know, we don’t have positions anymore but you know what I mean). If the Pistons have $70M+ to spend this summer, they can fill all those voids. PG/Combo Guard is not really an issue.

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Overpaying for OG on a max offer I can see because at least he fills gaping roster needs. OTOH overpaying for a ball-dominant PG when we already have difficult extension decisions coming up for both Cade and Ivey would be horrible asset management.

Not to mention godaddy has laid out all the reasons why Toronto would match anuway

I sure hope Weaver doesn't read this thread!

Too late - I sent it to him in an email...

In all seriousness, I wanted to gauge fan view on Quick as I am quite high on him and feel he could change the framework on identity of the team, but I won't beat a dead horse here.

CJ has been noted and Simons could be potentially had in a pick swap deal (using Ivey) if Detroit wants to add talent from a combo gaurd slot (which I would consider).

[Godaddycurse]

On a side note Pistons might be more likely to try to steal Patrick Williams instead.

[basketballwacko2]

Toronto has a decision to make this off-season. They have GTJ hitting free agency and Bruce Brown who has a team option. Masia did a stellar job with the OG trade in securing potential PGs in Quick and 6man in RJ moving forward. Things look bright for the north.

BUT...how much does Masai covet his new PG?

It was reported that IQ originally wanted 4/100 from NYK as an extension and NYK preferred no more than 4/80, a sticking point that led to the OG trade. While Masai might be willing to provide IQ 4/100, couldn't Detroit swoop in and offer something more egregious, like 4/130?

That figure could be tough to swallow for Masai, especially in a hypothetical scenario where Detroit offers Jaden Ivey in a sign and trade to secure Quick for that figure.

Why for Toronto?
Raps like Quick, but at a 4/130 figure? That could be tough considering the aforementioned wing decisions. Instead Toronto can secure those wings AND get a nice up and coming future PG in Ivey.

Why for Detroit?
Quick is the perfect fit for Cade. He is a combo gaurd who can play a bit on or off the ball. Allowing Cade to pick is spots on O. He would change the identity of the team defensively. Suddenly with a potential Quick/Cade/Thompson perimeter trio, Detroit would excel at forcing turnovers and can help form a future identity. Remember Quick is only 24. Considering his age and the massive cap space Detroit will have, it's a scenario to consider. Ivey, meanwhile, does not seem like the best long term complement with Cade and feels destined to be more of a staggered combo gaurd/6man in this unit.

So...Can Detroit swoop in and make a run for Quick considering they might be willing to BOTH overpay (market wise) and move Ivey in a sign and trade?

I think Toronto matches anything that anyone offers.

[Mike lorenzo]

I would make offers for Okoro/P.Williams and D.Melton...I think they could sign all 3 in their salary space...extend Fontecchio and Wisemam to the minimum (if it is not enough for Bitadze) I would select Buzelis in the Draft. and trade Sasser to the Knicks and they get their FRP back...

Duren/Stewart/Wiseman
P.Williams /Buzelis/Fontecchio
Okoro/Ausuar /Brown
Melton /Grimes/Umude
Cade/Ivey /SRP

Defense and shooters...all young people with room for improvement

[PistolPeteJR]

Toronto is only letting him walk if Detroit throws max money at him. And if Detroit throws max money on him, that’d be super foolish.

Else, Toronto isn’t simply letting him walk.

[AaronB]

I think that the Spurs offer IQ the max.

The pistons might also.

I also think that the Raptors will match, but IQ has made himself a lot of money this season.

[louc1970]

I think Masai sees Barnes as the franchise player. He took a big step forward this year and time will tell if he can continue to elevate his game.

At what position? That is one of Toronto’s issues. Depending on Barnes position dictates their needs.

[basketballwacko2]

I think that the Spurs offer IQ the max.

The pistons might also.

I also think that the Raptors will match, but IQ has made himself a lot of money this season.

I like Quickley but I'm worried he's gonna be over paid on a Max. I don't know how the Raptors don't match any offer he gets. Maybe he will earn it and live up to the Max if it was my money I'd be a bit queasy.

[wegotthabeet]

I mean if you throw a max out there Toronto should not match. But Detroit shouldn't do that, and Toronto would probably match anyway because teams rarely make the cold smart decision. Suns are still probably amazed they got off the Ayton deal as well as they did.

1) unlike the suns Toronto is very far from the tax even with IQ getting a max
2) IQ is a great fit next to Barnes, you need to keep him if anything to keep Barnes happy
3) He has great motor (unlike Ayton) and i would count on him to continue to improve and justify his next contract. His playmaking took a big leap this year after the trade and still shot near 40% w/ increase volume from 3. He's been playing great recently and i look forward to his play next year.

As for OP, GTJ and Brown Jr are not considerations really to me/i dont see them as part of the future of the team. IQ is a much better fit next to Barnes than Ivey so i would decline your suggested S&T

I'm not trying to say he's Ayton. I'm saying teams almost always choose to pay/match their young players at numbers that are mistakes. Maybe its not a tax issue now, but if you give Barnes a max now you have two (smallest) max players but still don't have a franchise player. It just makes everything much more difficult. I get why teams do it because fans tend to think like you and we have to keep him and right now today his contract isn't a problem and I know I can't explain to my fanbase why we let this guy go over "just money".

But those are still frequently "mistakes". I remember when Dallas maxed Parson to get him from Houston and Houston fans couldn't believe they made him an RFA a year early and then didn't match and were big mad. But Houston made the right call and it didn't really hurt them that much on the court. Dallas then just kept maxing non-max players and in a period when they could have used that space to sell for assets they just were mediocre and going nowhere. Raps are in real danger of the same imo. Which really sucks after they made the hard decision to trade Siakam/OG.

maxing out a rotation player while in a strip club was probably not Cubans finest moment and he made plenty of other horrible signings over the years.

ironically not overpaying to keep Nash was probably the worst decision of all though. so you never really know how things will play out. even if it seems like an overpay at the time, might turn out to be bargain down the road.

[mg]

I also like Quickley but any team that gives him anything close to a max will live to regret it. Unless you are very special like Brunson or Mitchell the small guard archetype doesn't win you a bunch of games. IQ is worth closer to $20 mil per season but the Raps will likely end up paying more is my guess.

[Texas Chuck]

ironically not overpaying to keep Nash was probably the worst decision of all though.

I'm guessing not since in the 3 years immediately following that decision the team averaged over 60 wins including an absurd 67 in a season they started 0-4(meaning 78 games playing at a 70 win pace) and a trip to the Finals.

Was Nash worth that contract? Of course he was. But in letting him go, Dallas decided to build balanced rather than fantasy rosters and Dirk was forced to grow into a leader.

No, not even close to the worst decision the little Mavs have made much less of all-time lol.

[wegotthabeet]

ironically not overpaying to keep Nash was probably the worst decision of all though.

I'm guessing not since in the 3 years immediately following that decision the team averaged over 60 wins including an absurd 67 in a season they started 0-4(meaning 78 games playing at a 70 win pace) and a trip to the Finals.

Was Nash worth that contract? Of course he was. But in letting him go, Dallas decided to build balanced rather than fantasy rosters and Dirk was forced to grow into a leader.

No, not even close to the worst decision the little Mavs have made much less of all-time lol.

Nash probably pushes them over the top in 2006.

They chose Dampier over him, which is hard to justify and they gave up two first round picks for the privilege. The Jamison trade still happens with Nash but they probably select Iguodala or Deng instead of Harris which obviously would have been a better pick. The Walker for Jet trade still happens only that he comes off the bench instead which would have been better for the team as well.

It all worked out in the end, but it took seven more years to get there. Hard to say what would’ve happened in between. Maybe they win multiple titles between 2005 and 2011. Maybe not. Either way they let him walk for nothing and that’s wasn’t a pragmatic way to manage an asset like that in my opinion.

[Texas Chuck]

drafted Harris thinking they were keeping Nash......

Dallas could have done Dampier and Nash fwiw. And maybe Nash puts them over the top. I mean he was the league MVP. But Nellie never quits and the team probably keeps going down the all offense road.

Impossible to know. But I'm just pointing out how good the team was right after that. Trading Kidd to Phoenix for instance was a far bigger mistake. Not extending Brunson would he would have taken it likely a bigger one too. And that's just in the PG category.

[Skybox]

I'm a big fan of IQ and really wanted ORL to move on him at the TD (as I knew NYK wouldn't pay him market). He'd be great in ORL, as the "closest thing to a PG" on a team that really doesn't need a true dominant PG. I believe that's IQ - if somebody pays him anything close to max, they're making a mistake. Solid player - but he's not going to become a story like Brunson, IMO. I see him as more of a solid starter, but, at best, a 3rd or 4th option on a good team.

[Residual-Heat]

Paying Quickley over 32.5 mill/yr AND giving up Ivey is not a steal. I like IQ but he's going to be 25 yrs old and barely a top 20 PG. I maybe could see it without including Ivey, but even then it could easily end up being a bad contract.