2023-2024 Regular Season Game 77: Orlando Magic (45-31) at Charlotte Hornets (18-58) - 7pm

[VFX]

I’m good with just a guy that CAN hit shots but isn’t taking overall volume away next to Suggs. Just anyone to initiate at the point of attack and can run a pick and roll.

Franz needs to be able to get space to hit shots. His game is significantly worse when he doesn’t shoot or have the space.

[Optimus_Steel]

People need to get off the ledge lol. Bad loss, it happens. The Magic had thoroughly dominated Charlotte this season before this game as well as the bad opponents all season. Lately signs were showing of the Magic letting up against lesser teams, they got lucky against Port but it caught up to them tonight. If the Magic take this game seriously they win it but they didn’t. Part of this is we are an ascending team playing games that matter and learning that some nights lesser teams don’t just roll over, even if it feels they have nothing to play for. Take the loss and learn to respect your opponent.

[basketballRob]

Its the Magic way. Good thing is.. i remember it only happens when we are good/winning record.

Remember D12 era where we have 55+ wins yet when we lose qe were ready to trade the entire roster and bringing up nicknames like BUMeer Nelson, Turkoflu, Ra$$$ard, wannabe-French Jordan etc etc

I always wanted to trade Hedo and Jameer.

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Booooo!!!

Our crunch time closers???

That was back prior to becoming a good team. Jameer was like 5'11", and players would shoot over him. Hedo had an energy problem from eating too much pizza and beer.

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[Skybox]

Btw…Brandon Miller is a rookie. Why isn’t he in the G League or on the bench instead of bustin’ ORL’s ass? This is the NBA, not a developmental program. To have neither of 2 lottery (2!) picks be a factor this season or even under consideration for any All-Rookie teams is, simply, a failure.

[RookieStar]

I always wanted to trade Hedo and Jameer.

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Booooo!!!

Our crunch time closers???

That was back prior to becoming a good team. Jameer was like 5'11", and players would shoot over him. Hedo had an energy problem from eating too much pizza and beer.

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Even so... they still helped lead a championship contending team for years.

[basketballRob]

Btw…Brandon Miller is a rookie. Why isn’t he in the G League or on the bench instead of bustin’ ORL’s ass? This is the NBA, not a developmental program. To have neither of 2 lottery (2!) picks be a factor this season or even under consideration for any All-Rookie teams is, simply, a failure.

He's also just 10 days younger than Paolo.

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[basketballRob]

Booooo!!!

Our crunch time closers???

That was back prior to becoming a good team. Jameer was like 5'11", and players would shoot over him. Hedo had an energy problem from eating too much pizza and beer.

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Even so... they still helped lead a championship contending team for years.

They struggled before that, but they really were the only ballhandlers on that team.

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[eyriq]

Btw…Brandon Miller is a rookie. Why isn’t he in the G League or on the bench instead of bustin’ ORL’s ass? This is the NBA, not a developmental program. To have neither of 2 lottery (2!) picks be a factor this season or even under consideration for any All-Rookie teams is, simply, a failure.

A massive failure. Fultz, Harris, and Cole blocked AB and Jett. Crazy times.

[SOUL]

Btw…Brandon Miller is a rookie. Why isn’t he in the G League or on the bench instead of bustin’ ORL’s ass? This is the NBA, not a developmental program. To have neither of 2 lottery (2!) picks be a factor this season or even under consideration for any All-Rookie teams is, simply, a failure.

He's literally the equivalent of Franz, Paolo and Suggs for us the previous years getting a lot of run and free rein. Your point makes sense if they were playing Amari Bailey and Nick Smith a lot with Miller, but they aren't doing that either.

The Orlando Magic aren't an unending development factory dedicated and chained to whatever records spawn from playing our newest rookies every year, nor should they be. AB getting spot minutes over Fultz is a different discussion altogether, but this point falls flat since we did exactly what Charlotte is doing which is playing our most important draft picks.

[SOUL]

Btw…Brandon Miller is a rookie. Why isn’t he in the G League or on the bench instead of bustin’ ORL’s ass? This is the NBA, not a developmental program. To have neither of 2 lottery (2!) picks be a factor this season or even under consideration for any All-Rookie teams is, simply, a failure.

A massive failure. Fultz, Harris, and Cole blocked AB and Jett. Crazy times.

You guys are addicted to tanking.

[Skybox]

Btw…Brandon Miller is a rookie. Why isn’t he in the G League or on the bench instead of bustin’ ORL’s ass? This is the NBA, not a developmental program. To have neither of 2 lottery (2!) picks be a factor this season or even under consideration for any All-Rookie teams is, simply, a failure.

He's also just 10 days younger than Paolo.

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That doesn’t mean squat. Just another crutch…he’s a rookie who played one year of college ball.

[Skybox]

Btw…Brandon Miller is a rookie. Why isn’t he in the G League or on the bench instead of bustin’ ORL’s ass? This is the NBA, not a developmental program. To have neither of 2 lottery (2!) picks be a factor this season or even under consideration for any All-Rookie teams is, simply, a failure.

He's literally the equivalent of Franz, Paolo and Suggs for us the previous years getting a lot of run and free rein. Your point makes sense if they were playing Amari Bailey and Nick Smith a lot with Miller, but they aren't doing that either.

The Orlando Magic aren't an unending development factory dedicated and chained to whatever records spawn from playing our newest rookies every year, nor should they be. AB getting spot minutes over Fultz is a different discussion altogether, but this point falls flat since we did exactly what Charlotte is doing which is playing our most important draft picks.

We don’t have a PG. We don’t have shooting…but we don’t have minutes for two rooks who were drafted to be those things. They could be “blocked” or just not ready or, maybe, not great picks for this team.

[eyriq]

Btw…Brandon Miller is a rookie. Why isn’t he in the G League or on the bench instead of bustin’ ORL’s ass? This is the NBA, not a developmental program. To have neither of 2 lottery (2!) picks be a factor this season or even under consideration for any All-Rookie teams is, simply, a failure.

A massive failure. Fultz, Harris, and Cole blocked AB and Jett. Crazy times.

You guys are addicted to tanking.

Playing AB and Jett over Harris and Fultz is not tanking my friend. Harris and Fultz are not good.

[SOUL]

A massive failure. Fultz, Harris, and Cole blocked AB and Jett. Crazy times.

You guys are addicted to tanking.

Playing AB and Jett over Harris and Fultz is not tanking my friend. Harris and Fultz are not good.

Jett is averaging the same percentages in the G-League as Harris is on our NBA team with way less defense.

Just stop, man.

[eyriq]

You guys are addicted to tanking.

Playing AB and Jett over Harris and Fultz is not tanking my friend. Harris and Fultz are not good.

Jett is averaging the same percentages in the G-League as Harris is on our NBA team with way less defense.

Just stop, man.

Same percentages on significantly higher volume. Not to mention much younger and in need of development. Harris is an expiring contract, low volume, one dimensional, low impact, and overrated on defense.

[SOUL]

We don’t have a PG. We don’t have shooting…but we don’t have minutes for two rooks who were drafted to be those things. They could be “blocked” or just not ready or, maybe, not great picks for this team.

You don't draft a 19 year old rookie shooter for instant shooting payoff just like you don't draft a rookie PG with a shaky handle to fix all of your PG woes. It's not even damning against them - they are simply not going to be afforded the reps from a team with actual goals in mind from a serious team.

Jett isn't going to do is consistently enough, just like Dick has been up and down (lol), Hawkins has been buried, Bufkin, etc. None of these guys are consistent enough to give what a team needs in terms of being the answer to what you're missing - they can fill in as bit pieces that do their job, and then their roles increase as they get more experience. You don't draft mid to late lottery 19-20 year olds to fix huge holes in your roster.

Jaquez, the oldest and most ready looking rookie inside of Wemby/Miller, has hit a wall and probably will have very little responsibilities when **** hits the fan for the Heat because it's more games and more responsibility than ever.

I'd say Miller and Wemby are the only guys that look to be good enough so far to have systems built around them in some capacity.

[JF5]

People need to get off the ledge lol. Bad loss, it happens. The Magic had thoroughly dominated Charlotte this season before this game as well as the bad opponents all season. Lately signs were showing of the Magic letting up against lesser teams, they got lucky against Port but it caught up to them tonight. If the Magic take this game seriously they win it but they didn’t. Part of this is we are an ascending team playing games that matter and learning that some nights lesser teams don’t just roll over, even if it feels they have nothing to play for. Take the loss and learn to respect your opponent.

This and the Memphis game were probably the only real bad losses they've had TBH. The other recent losses were just heart breakers.

[eyriq]

18-0 Nuggets
19-1 Knicks
18-1 Clippers
16-1 Celtics
19-2 Magic
14-2 Thunder
16-3 Wolves
15-3 Mavs
15-3 Cavs
14-6 Bucks
13-6 Suns

Records against the bottom 7.

[SOUL]

This forum is unserious about basketball discussion if we're going to debate that Jett and AB not getting minutes are the reasons why this team isn't reaching their potential or better. The team would actively get worse playing two rookies the minutes people want for them. I would put my life savings on it.

That doesn't mean they aren't the better options moving forward and replacing Ingles/Fultz/Harris or whoever - you are simply spitting in the face of advanced statistics and common sense.

I've got some snake oil to sell some people if you think it's just a coincidence that when the Jazz start playing Hendricks, Sensabaugh and Keyonte all together more minutes, with and without other vets in the lineup, that they go on a 10 game losing streak.

It doesn't mean they can't put up big stats and shouldn't be the future, it's that actively playing all 1st/2nd year guys together is the recipe for what we've been so used to and apparently what people want to continue to do.

[eyriq]

This forum is unserious about basketball discussion if we're going to debate that Jett and AB not getting minutes are the reasons why this team isn't reaching their potential or better. The team would actively get worse playing two rookies the minutes people want for them. I would put my life savings on it.

That doesn't mean they aren't the better options moving forward and replacing Ingles/Fultz/Harris or whoever - you are simply spitting in the face of advanced statistics and common sense.

I've got some snake oil to sell some people if you think it's just a coincidence that when the Jazz start playing Hendricks, Sensabaugh and Keyonte all together more minutes, with and without other vets in the lineup, that they go on a 10 game losing streak.

It doesn't mean they can't put up big stats and shouldn't be the future, it's that actively playing all 1st/2nd year guys together is the recipe for what we've been so used to and apparently what people want to continue to do.

That's not the argument. The argument is that we don't sacrifice wins by developing AB and Jett because their blockers aren't good.