MEM - SAC (Blockbuster)

[BoogieTime]

It’s always funny to see how emotional some fans can get over a hypothetical trade proposal from a person who has no sway in what either organization does transactionally. You’d think I just punched their newborn baby.

Some trades are a hit and some trades are a miss. We’ll definitely chalk this one up in the miss column.

The goal of the board is to have mid to high level basketball debates and conversation. Your offer was disrespectful and got treated as such.

Its not disrespectful to the point of needing your emotional overreaction, its a lot of assets for those players for different reasons from the vantage of the Kings, and Murray is still a questionable talent (has become very good defensively and may or may not translate offensively to high). JJJ is inefficient, cant rebound and getting worse defensively statistically, with contract coming up. Bane has had some injury issues. etc. Direction is off though, and I can understand not liking it from the Grizzlies. It aint lock worthy though IMO

[madskillz8]

Bruh I’m trying my best to reframe from getting banned or suspension on this board but dude you crazy as hell to suggest this deal. This trash should be locked and burned.

As a Grizz fan, I am thinking about a comment that wouldn’t get me banned. It is not easy to find one.

Been around since 2002, and I like to read T&T board for any team. I am sure NBA FOs too, as Morey once talked about he's getting trade ideas from internet forums. I've seen many many lopsided trade ideas but never seen such a low quality and emotional response for a trade idea, let alone two.

Guys, this is a "discussion" board. We are here to discuss our ideas and share our perspectives, so we can learn something new or change our views on player values, thus we can come up better trade ideas. If you think the trade value is far from good for your team, why it is too hard to explain to OP? With such weird posts, you are making fellow Grizz fans look bad. Just saying.

Also, we all know 4 unprotected FRPs from a franchise who only made playoffs once in last 15 years or so & Keegan Murray & 4 FRP swaps is a big value. It's not like Huerter & 4SRPs. Yes it is not good for Grizz given their direction but there is nothing insulting here. Neither Bane nor JJJ is a superstar - actually it is questionable if they are going to have three all-star appearances together. Grizz succeeded as being a good team (also props to Brooks, and Tyus Jones) around Ja, and struggling big time with JJJ & Bane playing.

Again, I don't think Grizz has a reason to trade both, and the value is not enough but I just can't see what is "insulting" here. While I really like JJJ's play style and his impact, he also has injury concerns - averaging 55 games per season. Sorry but they are no D.Mitchell & Gobert in terms of trade value and everyone was on the same page that Jazz received a value way more than their worth. And both Mitchell & Gobert were all-stars for three consecutive years prior the trade.

[Apz]

Kings with their history should never trade this many 1sts, not even for a star. They just lack the luck

[QMemphis]

Name a 24 year old DPOY and All Star that gets traded with an 19 year old all rookie level talent in addition to a 25 year old Max Level Wing Player for picks that are practically guaranteed to be late 20’s and Keegan Murray. It’s a terrible trade idea.

[madskillz8]

A team cannot trade more than 4 unprotected FRPs and 4 pick swaps. It is a huge value, a.k.a. mortgaging their future, because no one can predict what is gonna happen in two years from now on, let alone 4-5 years. I, personally, would be hesitant to to call it "practically guaranteed to be late 20’s", and would be against my team "mortgaging their future" for Bane & JJJ.

Plus Keegan Murray is becoming a two-way wing which is still extremely valuable in this league. Thus, I'd say the trade value of Keegan Murray on rookie contract and long term control not far from the value to Bane with his max contract 5/208, although he's the better player as of today.

Look, what I am saying is, every team has a different perspective and valuation of their players based on their direction and even financial plan. For Grizz, JJJ can worth more than 4 unprotected FRP & 4 pick swaps if they believe they are already set. What is the point of trading him then? But at the same time, there might be 29 teams that values him as 2 unprotected picks & a promising player on a rookie contract. There's nothing insulting with this. The actual value is somewhere between these two. Same for J. Isaac, I believe he has the biggest value for Orlando now.

Again, I agree with Grizz' perspective, and the value is not enough for them. But in reality, it is not that "insulting level" bad. I'm also extremely against the idea of mortgaging our future for Bane & JJJ: 4 max players - no top-10 player, and you have to fill the remaining roster with min level players. No Monk, No Huerter, No Barnes, No Lyles, No Mitchell but C.Payne, Metu, Kessler Edwards and etc. That does not sound like winning formula for Kings and if they want to give that package for "all-in", there would be many other alternatives for them, e.g., going after J.Grant for 1 FRP and 1 pick swap, and if possible, using Keegan & 3 FRP & 3 pick swaps in another strong upgrade. I don't see Fox-Sabonis-Bane-JJJ + min level players + no future pick any better than Fox-Sabonis-Keegan-J.Grant + good bench + almost all of future FRPs.

[esvl]

Bruh I’m trying my best to reframe from getting banned or suspension on this board but dude you crazy as hell to suggest this deal. This trash should be locked and burned.

As a Grizz fan, I am thinking about a comment that wouldn’t get me banned. It is not easy to find one.

Been around since 2002, and I like to read T&T board for any team. I am sure NBA FOs too, as Morey once talked about he's getting trade ideas from internet forums. I've seen many many lopsided trade ideas but never seen such a low quality and emotional response for a trade idea, let alone two.

Guys, this is a "discussion" board. We are here to discuss our ideas and share our perspectives, so we can learn something new or change our views on player values, thus we can come up better trade ideas. If you think the trade value is far from good for your team, why it is too hard to explain to OP? With such weird posts, you are making fellow Grizz fans look bad. Just saying.

Also, we all know 4 unprotected FRPs from a franchise who only made playoffs once in last 15 years or so & Keegan Murray & 4 FRP swaps is a big value. It's not like Huerter & 4SRPs. Yes it is not good for Grizz given their direction but there is nothing insulting here. Neither Bane nor JJJ is a superstar - actually it is questionable if they are going to have three all-star appearances together. Grizz succeeded as being a good team (also props to Brooks, and Tyus Jones) around Ja, and struggling big time with JJJ & Bane playing.

Again, I don't think Grizz has a reason to trade both, and the value is not enough but I just can't see what is "insulting" here. While I really like JJJ's play style and his impact, he also has injury concerns - averaging 55 games per season. Sorry but they are no D.Mitchell & Gobert in terms of trade value and everyone was on the same page that Jazz received a value way more than their worth. And both Mitchell & Gobert were all-stars for three consecutive years prior the trade.

If someone approaches you with the offer for your home for half of its market price, claiming it is a fair deal, feel free to make your best efforts not to overreact. Maybe you would stay nice as hell, in which case I have to admit that Grizz fans are not as perfect as you - when we see ***, we call it *** when it is factually correct.

[madskillz8]

Bruh I’m trying my best to reframe from getting banned or suspension on this board but dude you crazy as hell to suggest this deal. This trash should be locked and burned.

As a Grizz fan, I am thinking about a comment that wouldn’t get me banned. It is not easy to find one.

Been around since 2002, and I like to read T&T board for any team. I am sure NBA FOs too, as Morey once talked about he's getting trade ideas from internet forums. I've seen many many lopsided trade ideas but never seen such a low quality and emotional response for a trade idea, let alone two.

Guys, this is a "discussion" board. We are here to discuss our ideas and share our perspectives, so we can learn something new or change our views on player values, thus we can come up better trade ideas. If you think the trade value is far from good for your team, why it is too hard to explain to OP? With such weird posts, you are making fellow Grizz fans look bad. Just saying.

Also, we all know 4 unprotected FRPs from a franchise who only made playoffs once in last 15 years or so & Keegan Murray & 4 FRP swaps is a big value. It's not like Huerter & 4SRPs. Yes it is not good for Grizz given their direction but there is nothing insulting here. Neither Bane nor JJJ is a superstar - actually it is questionable if they are going to have three all-star appearances together. Grizz succeeded as being a good team (also props to Brooks, and Tyus Jones) around Ja, and struggling big time with JJJ & Bane playing.

Again, I don't think Grizz has a reason to trade both, and the value is not enough but I just can't see what is "insulting" here. While I really like JJJ's play style and his impact, he also has injury concerns - averaging 55 games per season. Sorry but they are no D.Mitchell & Gobert in terms of trade value and everyone was on the same page that Jazz received a value way more than their worth. And both Mitchell & Gobert were all-stars for three consecutive years prior the trade.

If someone approaches you with the offer for your home for half of its market price, claiming it is a fair deal, feel free to make your best efforts not to overreact. Maybe you would stay nice as hell, in which case I have to admit that Grizz fans are not as perfect as you - when we see ***, we call it *** when it is factually correct.

The thing is it is hard to propose a deal which makes sense for both teams if you are expert of one team but know a little about the other team, their direction, thus valuation of players. That's why it is good to discuss to learn something new and adjust trade proposals accordingly. After all, we are not FO, it is not like Kings FO is calling Grizz to make this offer. I

And while I agree the value is unacceptable for Grizz, it is also not a good direction for Kings. But it should be possible discuss that without "being banned". in a discussion board...

[BarbaGrizz]

It’s always funny to see how emotional some fans can get over a hypothetical trade proposal from a person who has no sway in what either organization does transactionally. You’d think I just punched their newborn baby.

Some trades are a hit and some trades are a miss. We’ll definitely chalk this one up in the miss column.

The goal of the board is to have mid to high level basketball debates and conversation. Your offer was disrespectful and got treated as such.

Its not disrespectful to the point of needing your emotional overreaction, its a lot of assets for those players for different reasons from the vantage of the Kings, and Murray is still a questionable talent (has become very good defensively and may or may not translate offensively to high). JJJ is inefficient, cant rebound and getting worse defensively statistically, with contract coming up. Bane has had some injury issues. etc. Direction is off though, and I can understand not liking it from the Grizzlies. It aint lock worthy though IMO

Than why are you even trying to trade for them?

[madskillz8]

The goal of the board is to have mid to high level basketball debates and conversation. Your offer was disrespectful and got treated as such.

Its not disrespectful to the point of needing your emotional overreaction, its a lot of assets for those players for different reasons from the vantage of the Kings, and Murray is still a questionable talent (has become very good defensively and may or may not translate offensively to high). JJJ is inefficient, cant rebound and getting worse defensively statistically, with contract coming up. Bane has had some injury issues. etc. Direction is off though, and I can understand not liking it from the Grizzlies. It aint lock worthy though IMO

Than why are you even trying to trade for them?

POSTER A - Grizz fan
POSTER B - Another Grizz fan
POSTER C & D- Kings fans
POSTER E- Another Kings fan


Scenario:

POSTER A proposes a trade MEM-SAC trade which favors MEM

Then POSTERS C & D reply " " and get banned.

POSTER B comes to say: "I don't like it for MEM as well"

Then, POSTER E comes and tells POSTER B: "Than why are you even trying to trade for them?"



Doesn't make sense, right?

[BarbaGrizz]

Its not disrespectful to the point of needing your emotional overreaction, its a lot of assets for those players for different reasons from the vantage of the Kings, and Murray is still a questionable talent (has become very good defensively and may or may not translate offensively to high). JJJ is inefficient, cant rebound and getting worse defensively statistically, with contract coming up. Bane has had some injury issues. etc. Direction is off though, and I can understand not liking it from the Grizzlies. It aint lock worthy though IMO

Than why are you even trying to trade for them?

POSTER A - Grizz fan
POSTER B - Another Grizz fan
POSTER C & D- Kings fans
POSTER E- Another Kings fan


Scenario:

POSTER A proposes a trade MEM-SAC trade which favors MEM

Then POSTERS C & D reply " " and get banned.

POSTER B comes to say: "I don't like it for MEM as well"

Then, POSTER E comes and tells POSTER B: "Than why are you even trying to trade for them?"

Don´t diverge, why SAC is offering premium assets for an inefficient and declining PF/C, an injury prone SG and a 19yo throw in?


Doesn't make sense, right?