Is Dalen Terry an NBA level player?

[Chi town]

Dude just ain’t it.

Not even close.

Some guys just can’t shoot or learn to shoot.
He’s that guy.

Its not even just his shooting. The rest of it isn’t anything special by NBA standards either. It’s just that unlike the shooting, he doesn’t outright suck at the rest of it.

Yep. He doesn’t do anything even NBA average.

Vet min players easily better. Ala all 5 Jovontaes

[Jcool0]

Bulls love to draft projects with minimal NBA upside.

[Ice Man]

Bulls love to draft projects with minimal NBA upside.

That could be, but it's also true that #18 picks aren't worth much. Here are recent picks and this year's PER stat (15 is league average for that figure) -

Jamie Jaquez Jr. - 12.7
Dalen Terry - 9.6
Tre Mann - 12.4
Josh Green - 10.3
Goga Bitadze - 17.9
Lonnie Walker IV - 13.5
TJ Leaf - Out of the league
Henry Ellenson - Out of the league
Sam Dekker - Out of the league
Tyler Ennis - Out of the league

Honestly, I don't pay any attention to later-round 1st round picks until they actually show me that they are worth my attention. The odds are just too low that I will actually ever care.

[dougthonus]

Bulls love to draft projects with minimal NBA upside.

That could be, but it's also true that #18 picks aren't worth much. Here are recent picks and this year's PER stat (15 is league average for that figure) -

Jamie Jaquez Jr. - 12.7
Dalen Terry - 9.6
Tre Mann - 12.4
Josh Green - 10.3
Goga Bitadze - 17.9
Lonnie Walker IV - 13.5
TJ Leaf - Out of the league
Henry Ellenson - Out of the league
Sam Dekker - Out of the league
Tyler Ennis - Out of the league

Honestly, I don't pay any attention to later-round 1st round picks until they actually show me that they are worth my attention. The odds are just too low that I will actually ever care.

If you want to look at the selection, it's better (IMO anyway) to look at the reasonable opportunity cost in the draft

Next players:
Jake LaRavia (seems like a similarly nothing prospect so far but don't know)
Malaki Branham (currently a rotation player)
Christian Braun (currently a rotation player)
Walter Kessler (low end starter and would solve a huge need for us specifically)

3 of the next 4 guys off the board would have helped us, one would have helped us significantly.

Given Terry didn't solve a need on paper even if he delivered on his promise, didn't have any markings of high future upside, wasn't a guy who would step in and contribute right away, and felt like an overall talent reach on draft night, the pick is more representative of completely broken process than it is a massive loss in opportunity.

It wasn't a huge opportunity cost, it was a relatively small one, but the logic behind it was so baffling that it defies logic.

[MrSparkle]

Bulls love to draft projects with minimal NBA upside.

That could be, but it's also true that #18 picks aren't worth much. Here are recent picks and this year's PER stat (15 is league average for that figure) -

Jamie Jaquez Jr. - 12.7
Dalen Terry - 9.6
Tre Mann - 12.4
Josh Green - 10.3
Goga Bitadze - 17.9
Lonnie Walker IV - 13.5
TJ Leaf - Out of the league
Henry Ellenson - Out of the league
Sam Dekker - Out of the league
Tyler Ennis - Out of the league

Honestly, I don't pay any attention to later-round 1st round picks until they actually show me that they are worth my attention. The odds are just too low that I will actually ever care.

This said, there’s a difference between getting a Jacquez and a Terry. Very small in the big picture, but on the microscopic level, these things add up. Better to get an Ayo with each pick than a Terry.

A general junk-asset perception begins to form around your franchise. The other GM’s preference is to get AK to give up a future pick sooner than one of his past picks.

[Ice Man]

Both fair points. Terry looks to be a failure even by #18 pick standards, and that is a check mark against AK, even if not critical in the grand scheme of things.

[vxmike]

Bulls love to draft projects with minimal NBA upside.

Yup total waste of a FRP. You reach for guys like this in the second round or undrafted like Miami does. Get a guy at 18 who has actual NBA skills already.

[Guru]

Andre Drummond and Torey Craig are not NBA Players. They came off the bench for Javonte Green to start.

[azcatz11]

Do you guys think Terry is going to be traded now that Giddey is in and they have similar roles? What's the buzz on Terry in Chicago?

[Jvaughn]

Do you guys think Terry is going to be traded now that Giddey is in and they have similar roles? What's the buzz on Terry in Chicago?

If someone offered the Bulls a mid 2nd round pick for Terry, I would hope they'd run to the bank with it.

I don't really think that Giddey and Terry's skillsets overlap though, as Terry doesn't really have a skillset.

[azcatz11]

Do you guys think Terry is going to be traded now that Giddey is in and they have similar roles? What's the buzz on Terry in Chicago?

If someone offered the Bulls a mid 2nd round pick for Terry, I would hope they'd run to the bank with it.

I don't really think that Giddey and Terry's skillsets overlap though, as Terry doesn't really have a skillset.

That’s fair…lol

[Muzbar]

Andre Drummond and Torey Craig are not NBA Players. They came off the bench for Javonte Green to start.

Um. What?

[RSP83]

Not at the moment, but who knows after 1 more off-season work out. He's literally a jump shot away from being a legit NBA player. The problem is his jump shot is non-existent even if his life depends on it.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Terry is like a 2K create a player that is 50 on everything. He has a good base build in terms of height, speed, length but again, you haven't brought any attributes yet.

I do think he is a point guard. Certainly, a secondary ball handler.

His best attribute by far is his defense. That is the only reason why he even gets any minutes. He also is an aggressive rebounder. He just cannot shoot the ball. He tries but it's not close.

I really only have a small glimmer of hope left for Terry. And thats if Peter Patton can continue to work his magic.

If not Dalen will have a short career. May bounce around on a few 10 days here or there. But not stick.

Right now he is on the path of like a Shaq Harrison.

[sco]

So the Bulls exercised their option for the upcoming season for Terry. He's on the books for $3.5M. The team has an option for next season that they haven't yet exercised.

Looking at his game, he's a very good defender and an ok passer on offense. He's cut down on the dumb passes, which allowed him to stay on the floor more. He is occasionaly a sloppy ball handler, which leads me to question his PG role. He's a sub 25% 3pt shooter, and given is sub 60% ft%, that isn't likely to move up much. So we're likely looking at a defensive specialist.

If we could trade him for a 2nd round pick, we could pick-up a few $ to stay under the tax. I'd definitely do that, given his limited offensive potential.

[ChettheJet]

Was just thinking about Terry and he could be included in a trade for money or if he doesn't really step it up in training camp just be gone. He's good on the defensive end, rebounds, and plays hard the problem is the Bulls need shooters and he's still not a shooter. I'm sure he worked on it but no results. He was still out of control at times last year and you'd think he would have outgrown that by now. Especially because he so looks up the DeRozan, spends time with him in the off season so you'd think he would learn when to slow down and let the game come to him.

[Bullflip]

If only PWill had Dalen Terry’s motor…

[Jcool0]

Saw this comparison:

Dalen Terry: 6’6.0” barefoot, 195lbs, 8’10.0” standing reach & 7-foot-0.75 wingspan

Ron Holland: 6′ 6.50” barefoot, 196.8 lbs, 8′ 8.00” standing reach & 6′ 10.75” wingspan

Kind of interesting to see the similar physical profile. The biggest transferable skill for both is defense. But just completely different upsides and offensive profiles. No one was thinking Terry was going to be a top 3 option on a playoff team.

[ChiefILL53]

He played PG in college right? I think he has decent ballhandling skills and his defense and motor are his best attributes. Jumper definitely needs work. I think he'd work on a team that plays with pace and gets out in transition, which was one of his best skills coming out that year. If we traded him I wouldnt hate it, but it would also bring up the point (again) that AKME has brought in players that needed opportunity to develop, knowing that billy either isnt gonna give that opportunity or there's just too many people in front of them on the depth chart. Just like with Phillips. I'd really like to see him actually get time on the court to play and make mistakes and learn. I just dont think with the way the roster is constructed currently is conducive to that happening.

[DuckIII]

So the Bulls exercised their option for the upcoming season for Terry. He's on the books for $3.5M. The team has an option for next season that they haven't yet exercised.

Looking at his game, he's a very good defender and an ok passer on offense. He's cut down on the dumb passes, which allowed him to stay on the floor more. He is occasionaly a sloppy ball handler, which leads me to question his PG role. He's a sub 25% 3pt shooter, and given is sub 60% ft%, that isn't likely to move up much. So we're likely looking at a defensive specialist.

If we could trade him for a 2nd round pick, we could pick-up a few $ to stay under the tax. I'd definitely do that, given his limited offensive potential.

Who would trade for Dalen Terry? His “value” is to make contracts match in a larger trade. It’s hard to imagine any team doing an asset for asset trade for him.

Who looks at what their roster issues and says, “what we really need to shore that up is Dalen Terry”?