Kitchen Sink Blockbuster: Mitchell, Trae, and More

Wolveswin · Post #1 » by **Wolveswin** » Mon Apr 8, 2024 8:04 pm

Try it, let it marinate, and enjoy as Hawks full rebuild, Cavs recover from Mitchell, Spurs get Trae, while Nets go all-in…

Spurs Trade:
Vassell + Graham + Champagnie + #3 (24 1st) + 25/27 Hawks 1sts (and swap) + 25 Raps 1st
FOR
Trae + Hunter + Cavs Filler + 24 Kings 1st (via Hawks)
Why= get Wemby a lead PG. But keep 4x future 1sts available for next star to add.
Wemby | Collins
Sochan | Hunter
Hunter
Johnson
Trae | Jones

Cavs Trade:
Mitchell + Filler
FOR
Vassell + DFS + 25 Raps 1st (via Spurs) + 27 76ers 1st (via Nets)
Why= forced to trade expiring Mitchell but get locked in Vassell for next to Garland.
Allen | Mobley
Mobley | DFS
Strus or DFS | LeVert
Vassell | Okoro | LeVert
Garland

Nets Trade:
Simmons + DFS + Cam Thomas + 25/27/29 Suns 1sts + 27 76ers 1st + 29 Mavs 1st
FOR
Mitchell + Murray + Capela
Why= all-in for quality team with Mitchell who lands where he wants to be.
Claxton? | Capela (insurance vet) | Sharpe
Johnson | Clowney
Bridges | Whitehead
Murray | Mitchell
Mitchell | Schroeder

Hawks Trade: (rebuild time)
Trae + Murray + Hunter + Capela + 24 Kings 1st
FOR
Cam Thomas + Champagnie + Simmons (expiring) + Graham (expiring) + 40+M Cap Savings
+#3 Overall (24 Spurs 1st)
+25 Hawks 1st (returned via Spurs)
+25 Suns 1st (via Nets) *could add best of swap/option with Spurs
+27 Suns 1st (via Nets)
+27 Hawks 1st (returned via Spurs)
+29 Suns 1st (via Nets)
+29 Mavs 1st (via Nets)

jayu70 · Post #2 » by **jayu70** » Mon Apr 8, 2024 8:07 pm

Hawks are not going full rebuild.

Wolveswin · Post #3 » by **Wolveswin** » Mon Apr 8, 2024 8:42 pm

jayu70 wrote:Hawks are not going full rebuild.

Even if Trae asks/demands out? I guess they could make it a rare star for star trade and build around Murray/JJ.

jayu70 · Post #4 » by **jayu70** » Mon Apr 8, 2024 8:51 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
jayu70 wrote:Hawks are not going full rebuild.

Even if Trae asks/demands out? I guess they could make it a rare star for star trade and build around Murray/JJ.

I just don't think it will be this offseason. Both him and Quin are in lock step.

Post #5 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Apr 8, 2024 8:53 pm

Trae has nowhere near this value currently.

Coxy · Post #6 » by **Coxy** » Mon Apr 8, 2024 9:21 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Trae has nowhere near this value currently.

That was my 1st thought as well. That's enormous.

jayu70 · Post #7 » by **jayu70** » Mon Apr 8, 2024 9:30 pm

Coxy wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:Trae has nowhere near this value currently.

That was my 1st thought as well. That's enormous.

Excessive, probably, but he has the Hawks trading both Trae AND Murray. Hawks will have no interest in going into a rebuild.

Wolveswin · Post #8 » by **Wolveswin** » Mon Apr 8, 2024 9:40 pm

jayu70 wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:
jayu70 wrote:Hawks are not going full rebuild.

Even if Trae asks/demands out? I guess they could make it a rare star for star trade and build around Murray/JJ.

I just don't think it will be this offseason. Both him and Quin are in lock step.

That’s fair. We will see what Trae has to say this offseason.

Wolveswin · Post #9 » by **Wolveswin** » Mon Apr 8, 2024 9:44 pm

Coxy wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:Trae has nowhere near this value currently.

That was my 1st thought as well. That's enormous.

Let’s break down the Trae part:

Trae + Hunter

FOR

Vassell
#3 for #18 swap (moving up 15 in weak draft)
25/27 Hawks 1st returned
26 Hawks Swap returned
25 Raps 1st
Champagnie

So that is 3x Future 1sts + 1x swap plus 3 for 18 swap in current draft. Seems very, very close to Mitchell comp to Cavs. Does Trae not get Mitchell value?

jayu70 · Post #10 » by **jayu70** » Mon Apr 8, 2024 9:51 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:Even if Trae asks/demands out? I guess they could make it a rare star for star trade and build around Murray/JJ.

I just don't think it will be this offseason. Both him and Quin are in lock step.

That’s fair. We will see what Trae has to say this offseason.

Like everything else.

Watch on YouTube

NYG · Post #11 » by **NYG** » Mon Apr 8, 2024 10:01 pm

jayu70 wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:
jayu70 wrote:I just don't think it will be this offseason. Both him and Quin are in lock step.

That’s fair. We will see what Trae has to say this offseason.

Like everything else.

Watch on YouTube

Who would be made available and who would be a few targets to build around Trae?

Post #12 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Apr 8, 2024 10:06 pm

Vassell has not shown enough to be assigned the value he's getting here.

jayu70 · Post #13 » by **jayu70** » Mon Apr 8, 2024 10:16 pm

NYG wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:That’s fair. We will see what Trae has to say this offseason.

Like everything else.

Who would be made available and who would be a few targets to build around Trae?

Hawks can always use defense, size and athleticism. The front court was/is the Achilles heel this year. No real depth to overcome the early season injuries at SF and PF and Clint took a real step back and Onyeka didn't take the next step in Quin's scheme.
As to targets - we never really know who will become available in the offseason. It's always the unexpected.

toooskies · Post #14 » by **toooskies** » Tue Apr 9, 2024 1:43 am

Nets should not spend assets for Mitchell if they think they can get him for nothing in 2025.

babyjax13 · Post #15 » by **babyjax13** » Tue Apr 9, 2024 1:51 am

Texas Chuck wrote:Trae has nowhere near this value currently.

Agreed, that might be the most assets traded for a player, ever.

Wolveswin · Post #16 » by **Wolveswin** » Tue Apr 9, 2024 4:24 am

toooskies wrote:Nets should not spend assets for Mitchell if they think they can get him for nothing in 2025.

That is a plan. The plan of hope. Plenty of threads discussing why hope can fail for Nets. Including Cavs worried they will lose Mitchell for nothing so trade him this offseason. To a team that can retain him.

Wolveswin · Post #17 » by **Wolveswin** » Tue Apr 9, 2024 4:26 am

babyjax13 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:Trae has nowhere near this value currently.

Agreed, that might be the most assets traded for a player, ever.

Maybe you will answer.

Let’s break down the Trae part:

Trae + Hunter

FOR

Vassell
#3 for #18 swap (moving up 15 in weak draft)
25/27 Hawks 1st returned
26 Hawks Swap returned
25 Raps 1st
Champagnie

So that is 3x Future 1sts + 1x swap plus 3 for 18 swap in current draft. Seems very, very close to Mitchell comp to Cavs. Does Trae not get Mitchell value?

babyjax13 · Post #18 » by **babyjax13** » Tue Apr 9, 2024 5:34 am

Wolveswin wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:Trae has nowhere near this value currently.

Agreed, that might be the most assets traded for a player, ever.

Maybe you will answer.

Let’s break down the Trae part:

Trae + Hunter

FOR

Vassell
#3 for #18 swap (moving up 15 in weak draft)
25/27 Hawks 1st returned
26 Hawks Swap returned
25 Raps 1st
Champagnie

So that is 3x Future 1sts + 1x swap plus 3 for 18 swap in current draft. Seems very, very close to Mitchell comp to Cavs. Does Trae not get Mitchell value?

Trae + Murray + Hunter + Capela + 24 Kings 1st
FOR
Cam Thomas + Champagnie + Simmons (expiring) + Graham (expiring) + 40+M Cap Savings
+#3 Overall (24 Spurs 1st)
+25 Hawks 1st (returned via Spurs)
+25 Suns 1st (via Nets) *could add best of swap/option with Spurs
+27 Suns 1st (via Nets)
+27 Hawks 1st (returned via Spurs)
+29 Suns 1st (via Nets)
+29 Mavs 1st (via Nets)

Big trades are hard to value, but here's my attempt:

2024 SAC 1st = Cam Thomas
Simmons = Hunter
Capela = savings
2 1sts + savings = Murray (let's call it 25 ATL 1st + 29 DAL 1st?)

Young =
#3
25 Suns 1st
26 swap extinguished
27 Suns 1st
27 Hawks 1st
29 Suns 1st

The 25 Suns 1st is the one least likely to be in the lottery, otherwise you have the third pick + 2 definite lottery picks (ATL 26,27), + 2 other picks with, IMO, a good chance to be in the lottery depending on how Durant and Beal age (27, 29 PHX 1st). I think that's quite a bit more than both Mitchell and Gobert went for. The only real comp, IMO, is the Paul George trade.

Post #19 » by **Mavrelous** » Tue Apr 9, 2024 7:05 am

jbk1234 wrote:Vassell has not shown enough to be assigned the value he's getting here.

He is overvalued in general, shouldn't be a cornerstone in a Mitchell trade, but this is still a significant overpay for Trae.

toooskies · Post #20 » by **toooskies** » Tue Apr 9, 2024 10:50 am

Wolveswin wrote:
toooskies wrote:Nets should not spend assets for Mitchell if they think they can get him for nothing in 2025.

That is a plan. The plan of hope. Plenty of threads discussing why hope can fail for Nets. Including Cavs worried they will lose Mitchell for nothing so trade him this offseason. To a team that can retain him.

If you aren't good enough to lure him in free agency you also aren't going to be good enough to keep him.