Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Horst to Detroit rumor

[Karsenmitsche]

It's gonna be a Brook centerpiece trade if anything. They're not punting on the Dame/Giannis pairing after one season of chaotic coach upheaval unless he explicitly communicates that desire to the front office. Figure out what a team like Brooklyn wants to do this offseason, cuz they have two big wings (Cam Johnson and DFS) that would fit great here. Do the Rockets still value Brook as essentially a one season rental?

Brook for Landale + Jeff Green + a wing asset?

For a possible Middleton trade if things go really south in the playoffs. I thought about Atlanta unloading some of their contracts. Something like Middleton + Pat + Marjon for Bogdan + Hunter + AJ Griffin.

Bucks have had interest in Dillon Brooks in the past and the contracts match up. Could be something involving him and Brook.

[Karsenmitsche]

Kyle Anderson the perfect player to use the MLE this off-season? If he can find his shot again can’t think of a much better fit.

[Baddy Chuck]

Picking up a guy whose nickname is SLOWMO would be a very Bucks thing that's for sure.

[drone3]

Could see the Pels wanting Brook with Val expiring.

[Bucks4Milwaukee]

I love the Bucks and I love Giannis. The Dame trade has looked like a tremendous bust, especially since Jrue went to Boston. I miss Jrue…. With that said, we should have kept Bud, definitely not hired Griffin, definitely not fired Griffin for **** Doc Rivers…we really shut the bed with our coaching staff. What do you do now especially when it seems another first round upset is upon us? If you can trade everyone outside of Giannis and get back to being a defense first team with another guard who can create and shoot then everyone is touchable. Wouldn’t be surprised if we bring it back but unless we can improve on defense, it might be a waste. This team just looks bad currently. I also wouldn’t be opposed to just trading everyone and trying to rebuild with new talent and date I say another new coach.

[raferfenix]

What's crazy is the Bucks have shown plenty of flashes of being able to go on a serious playoff run.

Maybe the wheels have just come off and guys' heads are in Cancun.

But if only Dame and Giannis get it together as a tandem and come to play this is a scary team to face.

[raferfenix]

Putting all of our eggs into the Beas/Pat basket could be a fatal blow and now no backup plan...

Doc said when he first got here that we needed one of Ajax or MarJon to contribute and that's not close to happening.

Possible this is a Nate Wolters situation where they're just not good and force feeding minutes wouldn't have mattered, but whether it's on Horst or our carousel of coaches, the result is the same.

AJ Green has had impressive moments at least. If anyone emerges in the playoffs I'd guess it'd be him.

[mlloyd10]

Lillard/Green/MIddleton/AJax/Giannis

How efficient would that starting lineup be?

[MickeyDavis]

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[paulpressey25]

Putting all of our eggs into the Beas/Pat basket could be a fatal blow and now no backup plan... having Gallo sitting and not getting in shape for potential injury playoff big position
minutes is crazy too... always have a backup plan.. it's so reckless my brain can't compute it

As I said when we signed him, Gallo is beyond washed. It was a harmless pickup, but more minutes weren't going to help him.

[-Jragon-]

Putting all of our eggs into the Beas/Pat basket could be a fatal blow and now no backup plan... having Gallo sitting and not getting in shape for potential injury playoff big position
minutes is crazy too... always have a backup plan.. it's so reckless my brain can't compute it

As I said when we signed him, Gallo is beyond washed. It was a harmless pickup, but more minutes weren't going to help him.

Whether that's true or not you're not seeing my point. He has more 600+ TS years than Bobby, Khris and Dame combined and he's still who he is and even a washed Gallo is better than TA in the emergency situation that Brook/GA or Bobby miss playoff time or games and someone has to eat 4/5 minutes. So get him in game shape.. like even now.. get him in there running plays with guys at least as an emergency backup.. Jae is nice but we might need length in certain matchups

[DingleJerry]

Putting all of our eggs into the Beas/Pat basket could be a fatal blow and now no backup plan... having Gallo sitting and not getting in shape for potential injury playoff big position
minutes is crazy too... always have a backup plan.. it's so reckless my brain can't compute it

As I said when we signed him, Gallo is beyond washed. It was a harmless pickup, but more minutes weren't going to help him.

Whether that's true or not you're not seeing my point. He has more 600+ TS years than Bobby, Khris and Dame combined and he's still who he is and even a washed Gallo is better than TA in the emergency situation that Brook/GA or Bobby miss playoff time or games and someone has to eat 4/5 minutes. So get him in game shape.. like even now.. get him in there running plays with guys at least as an emergency backup.. Jae is nice but we might need length in certain matchups

You're aware he tore his acl a few years back and can't move now right? He was looking washed for 2-3 years prior, then tore his acl and now 3 teams have gotten a hold of him since and decided he can't play. Sorry, he's done. Ersan used to be good too. Trying to get someone like Jae or any of the young guys more up to speed is way more important than him when you already have Giannis, Brook, Bobby as bigs.

[Ron Swanson]

Gallo's cooked. It's plain as day to anyone who's watched him when he's out there, and I was even someone who thought he was one of the few buyout guys who had something left in the tank. The wish-casting over the young guys not named AJ Green is also, just that. People had these exact same grievances with Bud, but the reality is that force-feeding minutes to young players doesn't make them magically develop into good players. Horst's now pretty sizable track record of failing to find much of anything in the draft/rookie FA pool speaks for itself.

[Ryan5UW]

Unfortunately, when it comes to acquiring/retaining players, our front office also seems stuck on these "well back when we won a championship" or "look at his career stats" arguments as our roster is comprised of guys who have plateaued/begun to decline.

[Ron Swanson]

Nah, I'm not faulting Horst for re-signing those dudes. What "bad" extensions has he handed out since the Snell contract? Bobby and Pat were great bargain deals. Brook has been one of the most under-paid impact stars in the league throughout his time here. He's brought in starters and rotation guys like Forbes, Beasley, Matthews, and Korver for vet minimums. But the story is, his last 2-years he hasn't found enough of those dudes to offset his inability to draft and develop any young talent.

You can't keep saying in hindsight we should have just cashed out on this core immediately after winning a championship. He banked on a long-term strategy of threading the needle with very little draft capital, and while hey, it still could work out, this season certainly looks like it may be finally catching up to them.

[DingleJerry]

Right, the 'fault' would be not cashing KM and Brook. But really how can anyone really blame him for those. Who's gonna do that right after a title. And, he did 'cash' Jrue last offseason in that general idea. The transition from aging core to a new one closer to or younger than Giannis was always gonna be a tough needle to thread. So far not so good, but we'll see how it goes this offseason. Agewise in that discussion though the Dame trade isn't really a negative, he and Jrue are about the same age and you gave up so little extra that how can that be viewed as bad.

[-Jragon-]

As I said when we signed him, Gallo is beyond washed. It was a harmless pickup, but more minutes weren't going to help him.

Whether that's true or not you're not seeing my point. He has more 600+ TS years than Bobby, Khris and Dame combined and he's still who he is and even a washed Gallo is better than TA in the emergency situation that Brook/GA or Bobby miss playoff time or games and someone has to eat 4/5 minutes. So get him in game shape.. like even now.. get him in there running plays with guys at least as an emergency backup.. Jae is nice but we might need length in certain matchups

You're aware he tore his acl a few years back and can't move now right? He was looking washed for 2-3 years prior, then tore his acl and now 3 teams have gotten a hold of him since and decided he can't play. Sorry, he's done. Ersan used to be good too. Trying to get someone like Jae or any of the young guys more up to speed is way more important than him when you already have Giannis, Brook, Bobby as bigs.

It's not really evidence that he was cut by 3 teams.. maybe they wanted to go younger or tank for picks. It's also not evidence that he had surgery, several amazing players did.

You guys still didnt answer my original premise.. are you saying that we just go small ball as our backup plan for an injury to one of our 3 bigs? I don't love that plan but it's better than no plan at all which is what appears to be happening

[-Jragon-]

Also you guys that want to go small ball as your emergency injury plan... understand that our smalls can't even cover their own position barely let alone someone 2x their size.. food for thought.. this is a miss and you just don't see it until KM is getting pummeled by some PF lol whatever.. hope we get injury lucky

[DingleJerry]

Whether that's true or not you're not seeing my point. He has more 600+ TS years than Bobby, Khris and Dame combined and he's still who he is and even a washed Gallo is better than TA in the emergency situation that Brook/GA or Bobby miss playoff time or games and someone has to eat 4/5 minutes. So get him in game shape.. like even now.. get him in there running plays with guys at least as an emergency backup.. Jae is nice but we might need length in certain matchups

You're aware he tore his acl a few years back and can't move now right? He was looking washed for 2-3 years prior, then tore his acl and now 3 teams have gotten a hold of him since and decided he can't play. Sorry, he's done. Ersan used to be good too. Trying to get someone like Jae or any of the young guys more up to speed is way more important than him when you already have Giannis, Brook, Bobby as bigs.

It's not really evidence that he was cut by 3 teams.. maybe they wanted to go younger or tank for picks. It's also not evidence that he had surgery, several amazing players did.

You guys still didnt answer my original premise.. are you saying that we just go small ball as our backup plan for an injury to one of our 3 bigs? I don't love that plan but it's better than no plan at all which is what appears to be happening

No it quite does, 3 teams have gotten him post ACL at age 35ish and decided he sucks, that matters.

And yes, we have 3 proven good bigs and in today's NBA you only need to play 1 at a time. Half playoff matchups Brook gets played off the floor, we don't need more bigs. Come playoffs Giannis goes up 5 or so more mins per game too. And while Gallinari might be a couple inches taller I'd take Jae all day playing D over him even as a 'big', especially at this stage in Gallos career. Cle is like the only eastern playoff team that plays a traditional big as PF. IMO, this is why we look so old/slow as we're playing two bigs so much while almost all others are playing one. TBF, our wing/G depth sucks right now so no real options but that's what imo needs to be addressed/changed in the offseason.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Gallo's cooked. It's plain as day to anyone who's watched him when he's out there, and I was even someone who thought he was one of the few buyout guys who had something left in the tank. The wish-casting over the young guys not named AJ Green is also, just that. People had these exact same grievances with Bud, but the reality is that force-feeding minutes to young players doesn't make them magically develop into good players. Horst's now pretty sizable track record of failing to find much of anything in the draft/rookie FA pool speaks for itself.

The funny thing is that our young guys are not really that young. AJG would basically be a vet on the Magic lol. Magic top guys in minutes played in order are 21, 22, 22, 23, 24....... AJG is 24.5, Marjon is 23.5, AJJ is 22.5. There's a reason why these guys were all later picks. I liked all of them but you knew they were more lottery tickets than anything.