March Madness Discussion (Men's Nat'l Championship Game: Mon 4/8: Purdue vs UCONN)

[Tor_Raps]

I'm pretty sure Edey was shooting less than 50% when Clingan was playing. He did most his damage when Clingan was on the bench.

If anything Clingan's stock rose. He's a top 5 pick IMO, he gives me Andrew Bogut vibes.

He was giving him work early on but Clingan did a better job in the middle part of the game which was where UCONN pulled away. A lot of it was just Edey getting no help at all and he got worn down after that hot start before catching a 2nd wind later on in the game.

The second wind was when Clingan was on the bench

Must be great for a guy to be on the bench with a stacked team while Edey has to do everything. Just hilarious how anyone watching couldn't see the difference in supporting casts lol.

[PushDaRock]

Edey has 33 points and most of those were against the 7-2 Clingan.

He takes half the team's shots of course he is going to get his points. He wasn't impressive especially in the second half.

How are you blaming the loss on Edey when he had 37/10 on 60% shooting.

You realize basketball is a team game right? Ridiculous take lol.

lol and attributing all his success to just being tall. There's a reason why most guys over 7" are stiffs, it's really hard to have that kind of coordination when you're that tall. You didn't see Tacko Fall out there dominating college and he was even bigger and taller than Edey.

[shi-woo]

UConn had 2 5 year starters, underrated advantage.

Eh that didn't really do too much for NCST did it?

UConn was just the most talented team in the tourney. You either need elite guard play or a dominant big man to win it all. UConn had both

[PushDaRock]

I'm pretty sure Edey was shooting less than 50% when Clingan was playing. He did most his damage when Clingan was on the bench.

If anything Clingan's stock rose. He's a top 5 pick IMO, he gives me Andrew Bogut vibes.

He was giving him work early on but Clingan did a better job in the middle part of the game which was where UCONN pulled away. A lot of it was just Edey getting no help at all and he got worn down after that hot start before catching a 2nd wind later on in the game.

The second wind was when Clingan was on the bench

Maybe, but Clingan got worked when both guys were fresh.

[aminiaturebuddha]

He was giving him work early on but Clingan did a better job in the middle part of the game which was where UCONN pulled away. A lot of it was just Edey getting no help at all and he got worn down after that hot start before catching a 2nd wind later on in the game.

The second wind was when Clingan was on the bench

Maybe, but Clingan got worked when both guys were fresh.

There's also a reason why Clingan was on the bench.

[Rainwater]

He takes half the team's shots of course he is going to get his points. He wasn't impressive especially in the second half.

How are you blaming the loss on Edey when he had 37/10 on 60% shooting.

You realize basketball is a team game right? Ridiculously take lol.

Yeah, I don't understand people's rush to minimize what Edey did. The question about whether or not he'll be an effective NBA player is a fair one, but is a separate issue. But I don't know how anyone can come away from watching Edey in this tournament and think that he somehow didn't live up to the hype.

Again, who said that Edey lost them this game? You are saying things not mentioned.

[ItsDanger]

UConn had 2 5 year starters, underrated advantage.

Eh that didn't really do too much for NCST did it?

UConn was just the most talented team in the tourney. You either need elite guard play or a dominant big man to win it all. UConn had both

You comparing NC state donors to UConn's? Its a new world in college now.

[Tor_Raps]

He takes half the team's shots of course he is going to get his points. He wasn't impressive especially in the second half.

How are you blaming the loss on Edey when he had 37/10 on 60% shooting.

You realize basketball is a team game right? Ridiculous take lol.

lol and attributing all his success to just being tall. There's a reason why most guys over 7" are stiffs, it's really hard to have that kind of coordination when you're that tall. You didn't see Tacko Fall out there dominating college and he was even bigger and taller than Edey.

Just a lack of true understanding of basketball man.

Like I get the conversation about his impact in the nba but the man dominated college like very few have. He just didn't have much around him.

[azcatz11]

Purdue went to Edey more than any game I’ve seen this season. Normally they play with way more ball movement.

This is a team that shoots 40% on the season and they had 7 attempts. You can blame castle for locking people down but at the end of the day the loss is on painter

[aminiaturebuddha]

How are you blaming the loss on Edey when he had 37/10 on 60% shooting.

You realize basketball is a team game right? Ridiculously take lol.

Yeah, I don't understand people's rush to minimize what Edey did. The question about whether or not he'll be an effective NBA player is a fair one, but is a separate issue. But I don't know how anyone can come away from watching Edey in this tournament and think that he somehow didn't live up to the hype.

Again, who said that Edey lost them this game? You are saying things not mentioned.

Did you mean to quote me? You seem to be the one saying that I'm saying things that I didn't.

[___Rand___]

But Edey might be a bit more imposing defensively and better on offensive end.

Ewing might have been the best college defender of all time. The man was a total monster defensively.

Ewing spent much of his NBA career as more of a finesse player because he started having knee trouble in his early 20's, but when he was in college, he was an athletic freak.

I said Ewing was dominant in there didn't I? But Ewing was 7'. Edey is 7'4" with heft despite being a tad slower and thus imposing to get a layup. Both can sit in the paint in college. Both are equally hard to score on.

[Rainwater]

Yeah, I don't understand people's rush to minimize what Edey did. The question about whether or not he'll be an effective NBA player is a fair one, but is a separate issue. But I don't know how anyone can come away from watching Edey in this tournament and think that he somehow didn't live up to the hype.

Again, who said that Edey lost them this game? You are saying things not mentioned.

Did you mean to quote me? You seem to be the one saying that I'm saying things that I didn't.

Sorry, it was a different quote. I do apologize.

[ItsDanger]

Purdue went to Edey more than any game I’ve seen this season. Normally they play with way more ball movement.

This is a team that shoots 40% on the season and they had 7 attempts. You can blame castle for locking people down but at the end of the day the loss is on painter

Purdue's achilles heel was always poor guard athleticism. Its no shame to be 2nd best among 350 D1 schools.

[Chuck Everett]

Purdue went to Edey more than any game I’ve seen this season. Normally they play with way more ball movement.

This is a team that shoots 40% on the season and they had 7 attempts. You can blame castle for locking people down but at the end of the day the loss is on painter

To me, UConn had the ability (via their personnel) to limit open shots for Purdue's guards. I mean, I saw maybe one or two attempts that were open off actions. Defense won the game. Edey got his, but one man can't beat a team.

[___Rand___]

Purdue went to Edey more than any game I’ve seen this season. Normally they play with way more ball movement.

This is a team that shoots 40% on the season and they had 7 attempts. You can blame castle for locking people down but at the end of the day the loss is on painter

You go back and look at what I said about this matchup way before being played. I said advantage to UConn on the perimeter, and in coaching. Edey and Clingan will cancel each other. Said it won't be pretty.

Yup mostly painter, both in coaching and recruiting. Wasn't a pretty game either. I stopped watching 3 minutes into 2nd half when I said it's over after not seeing any Purdue adjustments. It's just too predictable at that point.

[___Rand___]

Purdue went to Edey more than any game I’ve seen this season. Normally they play with way more ball movement.

This is a team that shoots 40% on the season and they had 7 attempts. You can blame castle for locking people down but at the end of the day the loss is on painter

To me, UConn had the ability (via their personnel) to limit open shots for Purdue's guards. I mean, I saw maybe one or two attempts that were open off actions. Defense won the game. Edey got his, but one man can't beat a team.

Eh Purdue didn't run that many screens to free up their 3 point shooters. Loyer is basically automatic if he gets uncontested looks. In contrast, against Bama Huskies ran multiple staggered screens to free up their guards for either layups or 3s. Purdue did jack. Loyer had 1 attempt at 3. Painter is a bonehead of a coach.

[shi-woo]

After watching that game, how are people in here talking about Edey? Seriously guys, he played a good game. I get some people don't think he's an NBA player, but he is an amazing college player and should be proud of the way he played tonight. He was literally the only guy on the team that showed up, he did his part by getting both UConn bigs in foul trouble, and completely dominated Clingan. Give it a rest.

I love how Hurley just came out and said it "UConn gives us the resources to bring in a bunch of NBA players" and its so true. The entire starting 5 this year is going to the NBA in some capacity. The system the he put in place gives everyone a chance to shine, even guys like Johnson and Kumara were awesome tonight and made big plays all tourney. UConn didn't just have the best starting 5, they easily had the most impactful bench this year too. It was almost unfair

What I think made this team so great is the fact that even though they won last year, adding Spencer and Castle who weren't on the team, and Cligan getting the starting spot, it just didn't feel like the same team like when Florida went back to back. They never lost that hunger, and guys still anted it, needed it. You saw that urgency from Spencer and especially Karaban all tourney. Those guys were playing like every girl in UConn would be theirs if they won

Having 3 guards that could probably be the best point on every other team in the nation also helped. Spencer, Castle, and New were just too much. Guards win the tourney, and those 3 just slaughtered the competition in a way I personally have never seen. Castle locked everyone up, New was a menace creating offense, and Spencer was the glue that made play after play on that end.

I'm not sure if i'll put this one above 11 with the Kemba run, but god damn is it close. This team was just so fun to watch

[PushDaRock]

Purdue went to Edey more than any game I’ve seen this season. Normally they play with way more ball movement.

This is a team that shoots 40% on the season and they had 7 attempts. You can blame castle for locking people down but at the end of the day the loss is on painter

To me, UConn had the ability (via their personnel) to limit open shots for Purdue's guards. I mean, I saw maybe one or two attempts that were open off actions. Defense won the game. Edey got his, but one man can't beat a team.

I can't remember the last time any Basketball team took 7 threes for an entire game. They only really sent help when Edey was already going into his shot. Purdue couldn't get the D to shift at all with nobody that could beat anyone off the dribble.

[PushDaRock]

Purdue went to Edey more than any game I’ve seen this season. Normally they play with way more ball movement.

This is a team that shoots 40% on the season and they had 7 attempts. You can blame castle for locking people down but at the end of the day the loss is on painter

To me, UConn had the ability (via their personnel) to limit open shots for Purdue's guards. I mean, I saw maybe one or two attempts that were open off actions. Defense won the game. Edey got his, but one man can't beat a team.

Eh Purdue didn't run that many screens to free up their 3 point shooters. Loyer is basically automatic if he gets uncontested looks. In contrast, against Bama Huskies ran multiple staggered screens to free up their guards for either layups or 3s. Purdue did jack. Loyer had 1 attempt at 3. Painter is a bonehead of a coach.

None of these guys are movement shooters, they're catch and shoot guys. Usually they get their looks off the D collapsing on Edey who kicks out and they swing till they get to an open shooter or Smith creates with his penetration but he couldn't get anywhere tonight against UCONN.

[azcatz11]

To me, UConn had the ability (via their personnel) to limit open shots for Purdue's guards. I mean, I saw maybe one or two attempts that were open off actions. Defense won the game. Edey got his, but one man can't beat a team.

Eh Purdue didn't run that many screens to free up their 3 point shooters. Loyer is basically automatic if he gets uncontested looks. In contrast, against Bama Huskies ran multiple staggered screens to free up their guards for either layups or 3s. Purdue did jack. Loyer had 1 attempt at 3. Painter is a bonehead of a coach.

None of these guys are movement shooters, they're catch and shoot guys. Usually they get their looks off the D collapsing on Edey who kicks out and they swing till they get to an open shooter or Smith creates with his penetration but he couldn't get anywhere tonight against UCONN.

So basically there is no situation whereas Purdue wins this game. I can accept that tbh