March Madness Discussion (Men's Nat'l Championship Game: Mon 4/8: Purdue vs UCONN)

[ItsDanger]

Purdue went to Edey more than any game I’ve seen this season. Normally they play with way more ball movement.

This is a team that shoots 40% on the season and they had 7 attempts. You can blame castle for locking people down but at the end of the day the loss is on painter

To me, UConn had the ability (via their personnel) to limit open shots for Purdue's guards. I mean, I saw maybe one or two attempts that were open off actions. Defense won the game. Edey got his, but one man can't beat a team.

Eh Purdue didn't run that many screens to free up their 3 point shooters. Loyer is basically automatic if he gets uncontested looks. In contrast, against Bama Huskies ran multiple staggered screens to free up their guards for either layups or 3s. Purdue did jack. Loyer had 1 attempt at 3. Painter is a bonehead of a coach.

UConn is a really good team. They've been blowing out everyone almost now for quite a while. I guess the other 350 schools just aren't as good.

[Chuck Everett]

Purdue went to Edey more than any game I’ve seen this season. Normally they play with way more ball movement.

This is a team that shoots 40% on the season and they had 7 attempts. You can blame castle for locking people down but at the end of the day the loss is on painter

To me, UConn had the ability (via their personnel) to limit open shots for Purdue's guards. I mean, I saw maybe one or two attempts that were open off actions. Defense won the game. Edey got his, but one man can't beat a team.

Eh Purdue didn't run that many screens to free up their 3 point shooters. Loyer is basically automatic if he gets uncontested looks. In contrast, against Bama Huskies ran multiple staggered screens to free up their guards for either layups or 3s. Purdue did jack. Loyer had 1 attempt at 3. Painter is a bonehead of a coach.

Purdue did what they normally do. Use Edey to get the other bigs in foul trouble, then when teams have to double, make them pay with open three's. UConn said nah, let him score, but don't put him on the line. Edey in some of these games had 12-15 free throw attempts. Hard to beat a team when you're putting them into the bonus early, because now your other players can't be physical.

Jones, Loyer and Smith were smothered and didn't want to take contested shots over longer players. It makes sense because whenever they did, they were bad shots. UConn won that game defensively by basically locking down the perimeter.

[Chuck Everett]

Eh Purdue didn't run that many screens to free up their 3 point shooters. Loyer is basically automatic if he gets uncontested looks. In contrast, against Bama Huskies ran multiple staggered screens to free up their guards for either layups or 3s. Purdue did jack. Loyer had 1 attempt at 3. Painter is a bonehead of a coach.

None of these guys are movement shooters, they're catch and shoot guys. Usually they get their looks off the D collapsing on Edey who kicks out and they swing till they get to an open shooter or Smith creates with his penetration but he couldn't get anywhere tonight against UCONN.

So basically there is no situation whereas Purdue wins this game. I can accept that tbh

Purdue could have won the game, IMO. It just would have had to be a game in the 50's. Their defense was just not good enough. Painter was talking about offensive rebounds, however, he also didn't mention the Castle wide open 3 that rimmed out, the two open 3's Karaban missed. The lob that Samson Johnson kind of botched. The Huskies got any shot they wanted. How many shots did Purdue make difficult for them? Edey with two first half blocks was an aberration.

[PushDaRock]

To me, UConn had the ability (via their personnel) to limit open shots for Purdue's guards. I mean, I saw maybe one or two attempts that were open off actions. Defense won the game. Edey got his, but one man can't beat a team.

Eh Purdue didn't run that many screens to free up their 3 point shooters. Loyer is basically automatic if he gets uncontested looks. In contrast, against Bama Huskies ran multiple staggered screens to free up their guards for either layups or 3s. Purdue did jack. Loyer had 1 attempt at 3. Painter is a bonehead of a coach.

Purdue did what they normally do. Use Edey to get the other bigs in foul trouble, then when teams have to double, make them pay with open three's. UConn said nah, let him score, but don't put him on the line. Edey in some of these games had 12-15 free throw attempts. Hard to beat a team when you're putting them into the bonus early, because now your other players can't be physical.

Jones, Loyer and Smith were smothered and didn't want to take contested shots over longer players. It makes sense because whenever they did, they were bad shots. UConn won that game defensively by basically locking down the perimeter.

Maybe if they got Clingan with 4 fouls right at the start of the 2nd half, things could have turned out differently but by the time Clingan had 4, the game was already semi out of reach. UCONN was content guarding Edey 1 on 1 and only sending help occasionally when at the rim while not fouling instead of digging/doubling and potentially opening up the shooting for Purdue.

The other big factor was the rebounding. UCONN's guards grabbed 10 offensive rebounds this game, they were just much more physical and athletically superior to the Purdue guards.

[ItsDanger]

UConn's offense wasn't all that tonight, their perimeter defense was really good.

[Chuck Everett]

UConn was 7 points higher in the Kenpom than last year's team. #1 ranked offense, #4 defense (and that's after losing Hawkins, Jackson and Sanogo to the NBA). Last season, they were #3 offense and #7 defense.

[azcatz11]

People def got richer tonight lol

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[___Rand___]

To me, UConn had the ability (via their personnel) to limit open shots for Purdue's guards. I mean, I saw maybe one or two attempts that were open off actions. Defense won the game. Edey got his, but one man can't beat a team.

Eh Purdue didn't run that many screens to free up their 3 point shooters. Loyer is basically automatic if he gets uncontested looks. In contrast, against Bama Huskies ran multiple staggered screens to free up their guards for either layups or 3s. Purdue did jack. Loyer had 1 attempt at 3. Painter is a bonehead of a coach.

None of these guys are movement shooters, they're catch and shoot guys. Usually they get their looks off the D collapsing on Edey who kicks out and they swing till they get to an open shooter or Smith creates with his penetration but he couldn't get anywhere tonight against UCONN.

You can run screens for catch and shoot guys. Klay Thompson? Run the kinds of screens Warriors used to run for Klay. They're almost impossible to defend against in man to man. UConn played man all night.

[PushDaRock]

Eh Purdue didn't run that many screens to free up their 3 point shooters. Loyer is basically automatic if he gets uncontested looks. In contrast, against Bama Huskies ran multiple staggered screens to free up their guards for either layups or 3s. Purdue did jack. Loyer had 1 attempt at 3. Painter is a bonehead of a coach.

None of these guys are movement shooters, they're catch and shoot guys. Usually they get their looks off the D collapsing on Edey who kicks out and they swing till they get to an open shooter or Smith creates with his penetration but he couldn't get anywhere tonight against UCONN.

You can run screens for catch and shoot guys. Klay Thompson? Run the kinds of screens Warriors used to run for Klay. They're almost impossible to defend against in man to man. UConn played man all night.

If they were running off screens to make shots, they would be movement shooters not catch and shoot guys.

[___Rand___]

None of these guys are movement shooters, they're catch and shoot guys. Usually they get their looks off the D collapsing on Edey who kicks out and they swing till they get to an open shooter or Smith creates with his penetration but he couldn't get anywhere tonight against UCONN.

You can run screens for catch and shoot guys. Klay Thompson? Run the kinds of screens Warriors used to run for Klay. They're almost impossible to defend against in man to man. UConn played man all night.

If they were running off screens to make shots, they would be movement shooters not catch and shoot guys.

I've seen them shoot off so called "movement". Heck I saw Smith make a 3 off a screen in 1st half. They didn't run anymore after that. Loyer isn't always stationary when he shoots his 3s. He's moving to receive the ball when he makes them. Damn I just saw him come off a screen against Arizona to make a 3.

[PushDaRock]

You can run screens for catch and shoot guys. Klay Thompson? Run the kinds of screens Warriors used to run for Klay. They're almost impossible to defend against in man to man. UConn played man all night.

If they were running off screens to make shots, they would be movement shooters not catch and shoot guys.

I've seen them shoot off so called "movement". Heck I saw Smith make a 3 off a screen in 1st half. They didn't run anymore after that. Loyer isn't always stationary when he shoots his 3s. He's moving to receive the ball when he makes them. Damn I just saw him come off a screen against Arizona to make a 3.

Just because they are catch and shoot guys doesn't mean they literally never move at all whenever they shoot 3's, OG is a catch and shoot guy but even he has made threes on the move and off the dribble before, but nobody would call him a movement shooter.

[Saints14]

Purdue went to Edey more than any game I’ve seen this season. Normally they play with way more ball movement.

This is a team that shoots 40% on the season and they had 7 attempts. You can blame castle for locking people down but at the end of the day the loss is on painter

I agree. UConn certainly had a talent advantage outside of Edey but Painter got worked, their gameplan was atrocious. But also, UConn's coaching staff (not just Hurley but their assistants too) is elite

[___Rand___]

If they were running off screens to make shots, they would be movement shooters not catch and shoot guys.

I've seen them shoot off so called "movement". Heck I saw Smith make a 3 off a screen in 1st half. They didn't run anymore after that. Loyer isn't always stationary when he shoots his 3s. He's moving to receive the ball when he makes them. Damn I just saw him come off a screen against Arizona to make a 3.

Just because they are catch and shoot guys doesn't mean they literally never move at all whenever they shoot 3's, OG is a catch and shoot guy but even he has made threes on the move and off the dribble before, but nobody would call him a movement shooter.

Enough quibbling about the terms. Fact is Purdue's shooters can shoot off the screens and on the move - see game footages, and Purdue's coach ran like 2 screens for his guards all game, including 1 where Smith made his only 3 point shot which came in the 1st half. Your assertion is FALSE. And Purdue's coach is a dodo for not coming up with plays to free his 3 point shooters.

[___Rand___]

Final AP College Basketball Poll:

1. UConn (37-3, 18-2 Big East)
2. Purdue (34-5, 17-3 Big Ten)
3. Alabama (25-12, 13-5 SEC)
3. Houston (32-5, 15-3 Big 12)
5. Tennessee (27-9, 14-4 SEC)
6. Illinois (29-9, 14-6 Big Ten)
7. North Carolina (29-8, 17-3 ACC)
8. Iowa State (29-8, 13-5 Big 12)
9. Duke (27-9, 15-5 ACC)
10. NC State (26-15, 9-11 ACC)
11. Arizona (27-9, 15-5 Pac-12)
12. Marquette (27-10, 14-6 Big East)
13. Creighton (25-10, 14-6 Big East)
14. Clemson (24-12, 11-9 ACC)
15. Gonzaga (27-8, 14-2 WCC)
16. Baylor (24-11, 11-7 Big 12)
17. San Diego State (26-11, 11-7 MWC)
18. Auburn (27-8, 13-5 SEC)
19. Kansas (23-11 10-8 Big 12)
20. Kentucky (23-10, 13-5 SEC)
21. Saint Mary's (26-8, 15-1 WCC)
22. Utah State (28-7, 14-4 MWC)
23. Washington State (25-10, 14-6 Pac-12)
24. South Carolina (26-8, 13-5 SEC)
25. Dayton (25-8, 14-4 A10)

[jkvonny]

TV ratings for the mens championship game.
Last nite. Pretty good!

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39908790/ncaa-men-basketball-final-ratings-fall-short-womens

[web123888]

Connecticut is far more of a blue blood than Kentucky ever was.

[jkvonny]

TV ratings for the mens championship game.
Last nite. Pretty good!

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39908790/ncaa-men-basketball-final-ratings-fall-short-womens

[___Rand___]

Huskies finished the year as the top-ranked Offense and 4th ranked DEFENSE in the nation. It's pretty ridiculous that team is.

https://kenpom.com/index.php?s=RankAdjOE