Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0

[Skybox]

Each win I get the sense of running it back again is more likely.

I don’t see us making a lot of changes. Tops 3 players but I’m going with 2 different players.

I cannot see Orlando bringing back Fultz nor G-Harris without a 50% paycut. And I cannot see the players accepting that level of pay reduction. So: that's minus two.

Why wouldn't Fultz accept a 8 mln. per year salary after the disaster of a season he had? I doubt any team would offer him more than the vet minimum, if that, unless he has miracle playoffs out of the blue.

WHY would ORL offer him 8 MIL after the disaster? WTF are we even talking about

That amount will get you a much better vet for backup mins...or a lot less...likely for someone who can shoot a bit.

[mattyBoi]

We need either:
Starting 3-point specialist SG, starting shot-blocking big, pure PG for bench or
Starting star PG, starting shot-blocking big, 3-point specialist SG for bench

+ Franz and Paolo upping their 3-point shooting in off-season.

Let the rooks develop in time.

[JoshuaPotter]

I cannot see Orlando bringing back Fultz nor G-Harris without a 50% paycut. And I cannot see the players accepting that level of pay reduction. So: that's minus two.

Why wouldn't Fultz accept a 8 mln. per year salary after the disaster of a season he had? I doubt any team would offer him more than the vet minimum, if that, unless he has miracle playoffs out of the blue.

WHY would ORL offer him 8 MIL after the disaster? WTF are we even talking about

That amount will get you a much better vet for backup mins...or a lot less...likely for someone who can shoot a bit.

skybox, I agree. This is way too early for me. Even with the coffee.

[VFX]

I cannot see Orlando bringing back Fultz nor G-Harris without a 50% paycut. And I cannot see the players accepting that level of pay reduction. So: that's minus two.

Why wouldn't Fultz accept a 8 mln. per year salary after the disaster of a season he had? I doubt any team would offer him more than the vet minimum, if that, unless he has miracle playoffs out of the blue.

WHY would ORL offer him 8 MIL after the disaster? WTF are we even talking about

That amount will get you a much better vet for backup mins...or a lot less...likely for someone who can shoot a bit.

Because people are emotional about players.

We know this because of the 20% of the board that cried when Vuc and Fournier were moved.

[fendilim]

Brogdan definitely can help this team. But I want to think bigger, I want a young PG who can come in and be among our young core to compete in the next 3 or 4 years. The list is definitely limited. However, we can definitely explore. What about Tyus Jones? What about DAngelo Russel?

tyus is the starting pg of one of the worst teams in the league.

Suggs is starting pg for one of the best teams in the league. This team needs an sg tbh. Point guard isnt really a need

Suggs is point guard from when ? We dont have starting point guard we have two starting sg's and Paolo/Franz who try to run offense, but cant separate from quicker defenders.
We need quicker player to run pick and roll, beat players off the dribble and force favorable switches.

I am really intrigued by Dangelo. We can get him for free, he is crafty ball handler what we need the most right now. We have a ton of turnovers becouse both Franz and Paolo are not good enough handlers.
If we can get Russell on 2+1 we can offer him a max or close to max. Getting him and Hartenstein without using assets would be equal to having top 5 lottery pick.

Russell/Suggs/Wagner/Banchero/Hartenstein
Plus ton of assets.
I like this team.

since this year… 62% of the minutes played is at the point guard position

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4868/positions#tab-team_efficiency

Been saying it since his rookie year, Suggs needs to be moved to the PG spot, not a surprise this is also his best year, since more than 50% of his minutes played this year is at the PG spot.


Putting him at the two negates the physical advantage he has. He also has positional size advantage at the PG spot, than being an undersized two.

Suggs was a point guard in highschool and college.

We need players who will complement Paolo and Franz, not take away usage from them. Someone who can open up the lane for Paolo and Franz, not create less scoring opportunities for them.

[RichCollab]

I cannot see Orlando bringing back Fultz nor G-Harris without a 50% paycut. And I cannot see the players accepting that level of pay reduction. So: that's minus two.

Why wouldn't Fultz accept a 8 mln. per year salary after the disaster of a season he had? I doubt any team would offer him more than the vet minimum, if that, unless he has miracle playoffs out of the blue.

WHY would ORL offer him 8 MIL after the disaster? WTF are we even talking about

That amount will get you a much better vet for backup mins...or a lot less...likely for someone who can shoot a bit.

I believe Fultz is the most likely player we move on from and should be.

I’m not calling Fultz a disaster. He has been a positive influence and motivator for this team.

Fultz owning the starting PG and having a healthy season were failures for sure.

Fultz has been a key to the development for our young team even as we likely part ways this offseason.

This has been a great season.

[Petre1978]

tyus is the starting pg of one of the worst teams in the league.

Suggs is starting pg for one of the best teams in the league. This team needs an sg tbh. Point guard isnt really a need

Suggs is point guard from when ? We dont have starting point guard we have two starting sg's and Paolo/Franz who try to run offense, but cant separate from quicker defenders.
We need quicker player to run pick and roll, beat players off the dribble and force favorable switches.

I am really intrigued by Dangelo. We can get him for free, he is crafty ball handler what we need the most right now. We have a ton of turnovers becouse both Franz and Paolo are not good enough handlers.
If we can get Russell on 2+1 we can offer him a max or close to max. Getting him and Hartenstein without using assets would be equal to having top 5 lottery pick.

Russell/Suggs/Wagner/Banchero/Hartenstein
Plus ton of assets.
I like this team.

since this year… 62% of the minutes played is at the point guard position

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4868/positions#tab-team_efficiency

Been saying it since his rookie year, Suggs needs to be moved to the PG spot, not a surprise this is also his best year, since more than 50% of his minutes played this year is at the PG spot.


Putting him at the two negates the physical advantage he has. He also has positional size advantage at the PG spot, than being an undersized two.

Suggs was a point guard in highschool and college.

We need players who will complement Paolo and Franz, not take away usage from them. Someone who can open up the lane for Paolo and Franz, not create less scoring opportunities for them.

Devin Carter, Kyshawn George, Tristan Da Silva, Carlton Carrington.

[cedric76]

I know this is not gonna happen as I don't see bulmers let PG13 Go, but if LAC don't do well in Playoff, we couldgo after him an offer him a 4ys Max contract

We want a 2 way player that can hit 3s? Here he a 33yrs old VET that does it all

This team is full of multi-position defender

Suggs,Cole, AB
PG13,Cole, Jett
Franz,Joe, Jett, Houstan
PB5,Moe, 2024 FRP
JI,WCJ,min VET

PG13 s contract would expire a yr after we have to comit big bucks to PB5

By that time he ll be 37 and ready to retire and JETT and AB will be well seasoned

[Rainwater]

Please stay away from Russell. He has failed on three quality teams now, don’t think the magic can fix him.

[zaymon]

tyus is the starting pg of one of the worst teams in the league.

Suggs is starting pg for one of the best teams in the league. This team needs an sg tbh. Point guard isnt really a need

Suggs is point guard from when ? We dont have starting point guard we have two starting sg's and Paolo/Franz who try to run offense, but cant separate from quicker defenders.
We need quicker player to run pick and roll, beat players off the dribble and force favorable switches.

I am really intrigued by Dangelo. We can get him for free, he is crafty ball handler what we need the most right now. We have a ton of turnovers becouse both Franz and Paolo are not good enough handlers.
If we can get Russell on 2+1 we can offer him a max or close to max. Getting him and Hartenstein without using assets would be equal to having top 5 lottery pick.

Russell/Suggs/Wagner/Banchero/Hartenstein
Plus ton of assets.
I like this team.

since this year… 62% of the minutes played is at the point guard position

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4868/positions#tab-team_efficiency

Been saying it since his rookie year, Suggs needs to be moved to the PG spot, not a surprise this is also his best year, since more than 50% of his minutes played this year is at the PG spot.


Putting him at the two negates the physical advantage he has. He also has positional size advantage at the PG spot, than being an undersized two.

Suggs was a point guard in highschool and college.

We need players who will complement Paolo and Franz, not take away usage from them. Someone who can open up the lane for Paolo and Franz, not create less scoring opportunities for them.

Ok he defends point guards and we list him as point guard but what does he do on offense ? Brogdon, Russell and Jones perform p&r on 35%+ possesions. Suggs on 15% and he is in 25 percentile efficiency. Is that a point guard ?

[AaronB]

I believe that the most reliable source that I have found says that the Lakers will retain full Bird Rights for Russell.

I was hoping that because of the duration of the contract that the Lakers would be limited to a 20% increase under the cap for Russell.

With full Bird Rights, it will be nearly impossible to be anything other than a useful tool to the Russell contract team to increase the Laker's offer.

[fendilim]

Suggs is point guard from when ? We dont have starting point guard we have two starting sg's and Paolo/Franz who try to run offense, but cant separate from quicker defenders.
We need quicker player to run pick and roll, beat players off the dribble and force favorable switches.

I am really intrigued by Dangelo. We can get him for free, he is crafty ball handler what we need the most right now. We have a ton of turnovers becouse both Franz and Paolo are not good enough handlers.
If we can get Russell on 2+1 we can offer him a max or close to max. Getting him and Hartenstein without using assets would be equal to having top 5 lottery pick.

Russell/Suggs/Wagner/Banchero/Hartenstein
Plus ton of assets.
I like this team.

since this year… 62% of the minutes played is at the point guard position

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4868/positions#tab-team_efficiency

Been saying it since his rookie year, Suggs needs to be moved to the PG spot, not a surprise this is also his best year, since more than 50% of his minutes played this year is at the PG spot.


Putting him at the two negates the physical advantage he has. He also has positional size advantage at the PG spot, than being an undersized two.

Suggs was a point guard in highschool and college.

We need players who will complement Paolo and Franz, not take away usage from them. Someone who can open up the lane for Paolo and Franz, not create less scoring opportunities for them.

Ok he defends point guards and we list him as point guard but what does he do on offense ? Brogdon, Russell and Jones perform p&r on 35%+ possesions. Suggs on 15% and he is in 25 percentile efficiency. Is that a point guard ?

So you’d prefer someone who’d take away usage from Paolo and Franz?

The Celtics have the same setup too, and the rest of the NBA. lol Jrue/White brings down the ball, get to the half court, pass it to Brown/Tatum. Also the same with players that don’t have point guards as their best player.

[Skybox]

I believe that the most reliable source that I have found says that the Lakers will retain full Bird Rights for Russell.

I was hoping that because of the duration of the contract that the Lakers would be limited to a 20% increase under the cap for Russell.

With full Bird Rights, it will be nearly impossible to be anything other than a useful tool to the Russell contract team to increase the Laker's offer.

If Russell's the target, just hope LAL pulls off the DJM trade that's likely - so they'll let Russell walk.

I read (a theory of course) that ATL chose to pump the brakes and reconvene in the summer when LAL will have 2 more picks to play with than they did at TD.

**Better yet...go get the vastly superior Murray for ourselves. Upgrade offense AND defense in one swoop.

[zaymon]

since this year… 62% of the minutes played is at the point guard position

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4868/positions#tab-team_efficiency

Been saying it since his rookie year, Suggs needs to be moved to the PG spot, not a surprise this is also his best year, since more than 50% of his minutes played this year is at the PG spot.


Putting him at the two negates the physical advantage he has. He also has positional size advantage at the PG spot, than being an undersized two.

Suggs was a point guard in highschool and college.

We need players who will complement Paolo and Franz, not take away usage from them. Someone who can open up the lane for Paolo and Franz, not create less scoring opportunities for them.

Ok he defends point guards and we list him as point guard but what does he do on offense ? Brogdon, Russell and Jones perform p&r on 35%+ possesions. Suggs on 15% and he is in 25 percentile efficiency. Is that a point guard ?

So you’d prefer someone who’d take away usage from Paolo and Franz?

The Celtics have the same setup too, and the rest of the NBA. lol Jrue/White brings down the ball, get to the half court, pass it to Brown/Tatum. Also the same with players that don’t have point guards as their best player.

Boston is a good example. They have more of a two point guard setup than two shooting guard. Jrue had multiple seasons at 30%+ frequency and around 70 percentile pick and roll, White is at 27% and 80 percentile efficiency this year.
I am not saying Suggs cant get there, he was good running pick and roll in college, but we need someone better than him next to him, just as in your example imo.

[CocoaFan]

I believe that the most reliable source that I have found says that the Lakers will retain full Bird Rights for Russell.

I was hoping that because of the duration of the contract that the Lakers would be limited to a 20% increase under the cap for Russell.

With full Bird Rights, it will be nearly impossible to be anything other than a useful tool to the Russell contract team to increase the Laker's offer.

Russell has been benched by the coach with none of the players supporting him and they've tried to trade him since he's gotten there. Now all the media outlets are talking about trading for Trey Young this summer. Not sure why he'd feel loyalty to them. The Magic give him the opportunity for a fresh start as the veteran leader on an ascending young team.

[jezzerinho]

Russell is in a contract year and even then the Lakers, with AD and LBJ cant make the playoffs.

This is not a player you ignore better options for. With how few trades/signing this FO makes - and with how loyal they stay to the guys they sign - you just cant afford to screw up and sign some contract year fools gold that was at best 9K anyway.

[Skybox]

since this year… 62% of the minutes played is at the point guard position

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4868/positions#tab-team_efficiency

Been saying it since his rookie year, Suggs needs to be moved to the PG spot, not a surprise this is also his best year, since more than 50% of his minutes played this year is at the PG spot.


Putting him at the two negates the physical advantage he has. He also has positional size advantage at the PG spot, than being an undersized two.

Suggs was a point guard in highschool and college.

We need players who will complement Paolo and Franz, not take away usage from them. Someone who can open up the lane for Paolo and Franz, not create less scoring opportunities for them.

Ok he defends point guards and we list him as point guard but what does he do on offense ? Brogdon, Russell and Jones perform p&r on 35%+ possesions. Suggs on 15% and he is in 25 percentile efficiency. Is that a point guard ?

So you’d prefer someone who’d take away usage from Paolo and Franz?

The Celtics have the same setup too, and the rest of the NBA. lol Jrue/White brings down the ball, get to the half court, pass it to Brown/Tatum. Also the same with players that don’t have point guards as their best player.

Clearly the Celtics haven't been living in fear of "taking usage away from Tatum and Brown"...both of their guards have superior offensive skills and stats to any of ours. The narrative of protecting overworked, under supported primary players is false. More talented teams win...right now, as constructed, we'll likely be underdogs in any series - regardless of seeding. That's because we're shallow offensively. Our defense is great but our offense is predictable and stoppable. This is the epitome of the "Fool's Gold" concept I rattled everyone with previously. Paolo needs help not more usage.

[drsd]

I believe Fultz is the most likely player we move on from and should be.

It is amazing that there is a player so bad this year we forget he is on payroll.

[RookieStar]

I believe Fultz is the most likely player we move on from and should be.

It is amazing that there is a player so bad this year we forget he is on payroll.

He is learning Mandarin already in the bench.

[Max Power]

The whole thing with Fultz is a shame, when he’s right the dude is a player, he’s been better lately, hopefully he can contribute to a series win. I don’t think he’ll be back next year either, but I actually would like to see him thrive here. As for who won’t be here next year, gotta agree, I think Chuma Okeke will be playing elsewhere.