Thoughts in General, Random Rumors and Musings, Blah Blah 14.0 Eddie Najera Edicion

[vincecarter4pres]

If the Nets traded for Mitchell, would they have cap space for a 3rd star in 2025 around Mitchell and Bridges if they re-signed Claxton this off-season?

Yeah, probably, but the 2025 free agent class sucks. Derrick White is the only guy they can realistically get and it's not clear Derrick White would pick them over other teams.

The Celtics could also just eat the $400m luxury tax bullet and give Derrick White the $50m a year he'll get elsewhere.

Until they have resigned.. Mitchell, Lauri, Ingram, Brunson, Randle, Kyrie, Jimmy, Jamal Murray, Aaron Gordon…

And there’s a few really good RFA’s who aren’t worth the contracts they might be offered and could be stolen if a team wants to create a bad contract (Giddey, Kuminga, Murphy, etc)..

HadAnEffectHere has parroted this statement a number of times in different threads for a month or two now despite several different posters responding with lists like this, and acts all brand new each time, it’s a bit silly.

[jayjaysee]

If the Nets traded for Mitchell, would they have cap space for a 3rd star in 2025 around Mitchell and Bridges if they re-signed Claxton this off-season?

If the cap makes a 10% jump next offseason, it’s possible.

46 million for Mitchell
22 for Bridges
22 for Claxton
10 min holds (say it raises to 2 mil?)

110 mil with a 155 mil cap.

Any chance Mitchell agrees to give up 9.5 million by opting in and then getting a max extension? Would end up being less than 9 million if the cap jumps over 8%…

That extra 9.5 million could mean keeping the rookie contracts and Sharpe or whatever else..

[jayjaysee]

Assuming Dallas stays about where they are salary wise after their “big” move this offseason…

Say the “big move” is THJ+first for Caruso ish..

Would you hard cap yourself if you could drop far enough under the tax to use the full MLE and split it between DJJ and Exum?

Give DJJ a “3yr22-24” and give Exum a new 3yr16ish, sort of just renegotiating Exum’s 1yr3 to keep him, while getting DJJ a bit extra..

I keep going back to this idea, I know. I just really like having those two around..

Or all of that is unnecessary to keep DJJ and you just keep Exum for one year, if he leaves he leaves?

[NYG]

Does anyone beat the Nets best offer for Mitchell?

Does anyone beat the Spurs best offer for Trae?

Does anyone beat the Lakers best offer for Dejounte?

Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas and filler plus 4 1sts for Mitchell?

Keldon, Raptors 1st, both Hawks 1sts and the Hawks swap for Trae?

Vanderbilt, Gabe, JHS and 2 1sts for Dejounte?

[jayjaysee]

Does anyone beat the Nets best offer for Mitchell?

Does anyone beat the Spurs best offer for Trae?

Does anyone beat the Lakers best offer for Dejounte?

Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas and filler plus 4 1sts for Mitchell?

Keldon, Raptors 1st, both Hawks 1sts and the Hawks swap for Trae?

Vanderbilt, Gabe, JHS and 2 1sts for Dejounte?

No one beats that offer for Mitchell. But you probably need to find the third team.

Trae most likely is not available in general.. but. SAS needs to add more value. Or Atlanta just trades Trae to Brooklyn or Utah or .. for distant picks and runs a play-in roster for 3 years and then starts their rebuild if they aren’t able to trade picks for a new star to add to Jalen/Murray.

No one is beating that if the 2029 first is unprotected. Utah/Brooklyn beat it if the pick is protected.

[NYG]

Does anyone beat the Nets best offer for Mitchell?

Does anyone beat the Spurs best offer for Trae?

Does anyone beat the Lakers best offer for Dejounte?

Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas and filler plus 4 1sts for Mitchell?

Keldon, Raptors 1st, both Hawks 1sts and the Hawks swap for Trae?

Vanderbilt, Gabe, JHS and 2 1sts for Dejounte?

No one beats that offer for Mitchell. But you probably need to find the third team.

Trae most likely is not available in general.. but. SAS needs to add more value. Or Atlanta just trades Trae to Brooklyn or Utah or .. for distant picks and runs a play-in roster for 3 years and then starts their rebuild if they aren’t able to trade picks for a new star to add to Jalen/Murray.

No one is beating that if the 2029 first is unprotected. Utah/Brooklyn beat it if the pick is protected.

If the Spurs made it their own '24 1st versus the Raptors... does that get it there?

[NYG]

If the Knicks offered Randle, Bojan and Sims plus picks for KD... how many picks would they need to add to beat the below Philly offer?

Philadelphia 76ers get:
Kevin Durant

Phoenix Suns get:
Paul Reed
2024 76ers First Round Draft Pick
2026 Lowest of Rockets/Clippers/Thunder/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2028 Earlier of Clippers/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2029 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys 2 years after 2027 1st goes to Brooklyn)
2031 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys only if 2029 1st conveys 2 years prior otherwise becomes 2031 76ers 2nd Round Draft Pick)

Who could the Suns get for pure space from a 3rd/4th team?

[NYG]

If the Knicks offered Randle, Bojan and Sims plus picks for KD... how many picks would they need to add to beat the below Philly offer?

Philadelphia 76ers get:
Kevin Durant

Phoenix Suns get:
Paul Reed
2024 76ers First Round Draft Pick
2026 Lowest of Rockets/Clippers/Thunder/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2028 Earlier of Clippers/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2029 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys 2 years after 2027 1st goes to Brooklyn)
2031 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys only if 2029 1st conveys 2 years prior otherwise becomes 2031 76ers 2nd Round Draft Pick)

Who could the Suns get for pure space from a 3rd/4th team?

What about flipping two of those picks for DeMar DeRozan (sign and trade) and Alex Caruso?

Bulls get:
'28 Earlier of Clippers/76ers 1st
'29 76ers 1st

Suns get:
DeMar DeRozan
Alex Caruso
Paul Reed
'24 76ers 1st
'26 Lowest of Rockets/Clippers/Thunder/76ers 1st
'31 76ers 1st

76ers get:
Kevin Durant

[HartfordWhalers]

Indy looking at closing out the 6th seed.
I love the combination of not being afraid to pull the trigger on Siakam at the same time as willing to take 3 probably very good seconds for Hield. Belatedly get it for Philly, but just think it’s the type of make sure what we are doing is sustainable at the margins move that probably doesn’t matter (most 2nds don’t) but still I want to say matters, because the currency and the chance they hit does often enough.

[jbk1234]

Indy looking at closing out the 6th seed.
I love the combination of not being afraid to pull the trigger on Siakam at the same time as willing to take 3 probably very good seconds for Hield. Belatedly get it for Philly, but just think it’s the type of make sure what we are doing is sustainable at the margins move that probably doesn’t matter (most 2nds don’t) but still I want to say matters, because the currency and the chance they hit does often enough.

I think the Pacers miss Heild, and the gravity he brings, more than they anticipated.

[Godaddycurse]

If the Knicks offered Randle, Bojan and Sims plus picks for KD... how many picks would they need to add to beat the below Philly offer?

Philadelphia 76ers get:
Kevin Durant

Phoenix Suns get:
Paul Reed
2024 76ers First Round Draft Pick
2026 Lowest of Rockets/Clippers/Thunder/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2028 Earlier of Clippers/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2029 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys 2 years after 2027 1st goes to Brooklyn)
2031 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys only if 2029 1st conveys 2 years prior otherwise becomes 2031 76ers 2nd Round Draft Pick)

Who could the Suns get for pure space from a 3rd/4th team?

What about flipping two of those picks for DeMar DeRozan (sign and trade) and Alex Caruso?

Bulls get:
'28 Earlier of Clippers/76ers 1st
'29 76ers 1st

Suns get:
DeMar DeRozan
Alex Caruso
Paul Reed
'24 76ers 1st
'26 Lowest of Rockets/Clippers/Thunder/76ers 1st
'31 76ers 1st

76ers get:
Kevin Durant

1) cant combine 2024 1st wirh sign and teade
2) suns are at 2nd apron and cant accept sign and trades

[RookieJazz]

Does anyone beat the Nets best offer for Mitchell?

Does anyone beat the Spurs best offer for Trae?

Does anyone beat the Lakers best offer for Dejounte?

Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas and filler plus 4 1sts for Mitchell?

Keldon, Raptors 1st, both Hawks 1sts and the Hawks swap for Trae?

Vanderbilt, Gabe, JHS and 2 1sts for Dejounte?

Jazz can offer cap space and 2FRP with better potential for Murray

[Scoot McGroot]

Yup. They re-established his full Bird Rights with no qualifying/non-qualifying issues like last time coming off his non-exercised rookie contract option.

If Siakam gets his full max, what number do you think Indy would be comfortable with resigning Smith. I sort of like him as a MLE target for Memphis if we release Kennard (dump Zaire too). I wish he was more of a 5/4 than a 4/5 since we need a little more size, but the frontcourt MLE targets just like FA as a whole are rather slim.

I like this deal...

Jalen Smith (signed and traded to a deal starting at $13 Million) and a Pacers 2nd to OKC
John Collins to Miami
Tyler Herro to Indiana
T.J. McConnell to Utah

What role does Herro have in Indiana with Haliburton, Mathurin, Nembhard, and even Shepard (McConnell, too, if he's not traded)? He's awful expensive for a situation that's already pretty solid and fills a hole that doesn't really exist?

[Scoot McGroot]

Indy looking at closing out the 6th seed.
I love the combination of not being afraid to pull the trigger on Siakam at the same time as willing to take 3 probably very good seconds for Hield. Belatedly get it for Philly, but just think it’s the type of make sure what we are doing is sustainable at the margins move that probably doesn’t matter (most 2nds don’t) but still I want to say matters, because the currency and the chance they hit does often enough.

I think the Pacers miss Heild, and the gravity he brings, more than they anticipated.

I think Indy is missing him about how much they expected. He'd have been nice to have, especially with the injuries to Mathurin/McDermott. But Buddy asked to be traded at the deadline, and Indy accommodated him while getting some small, but decent assets going forward. Not much of a choice? He was expected to be missed for his gravity and his friendship with Haliburton, but if not for the injury to Mathurin, I think his role would have been shrunk a lot more as the playoffs came?

[NYG]

Would Dejounte/FVV/Green work in Houston?

[Godaddycurse]

Assuming Dallas stays about where they are salary wise after their “big” move this offseason…

Say the “big move” is THJ+first for Caruso ish..

Would you hard cap yourself if you could drop far enough under the tax to use the full MLE and split it between DJJ and Exum?

Give DJJ a “3yr22-24” and give Exum a new 3yr16ish, sort of just renegotiating Exum’s 1yr3 to keep him, while getting DJJ a bit extra..

I keep going back to this idea, I know. I just really like having those two around..

Or all of that is unnecessary to keep DJJ and you just keep Exum for one year, if he leaves he leaves?

Chicago is at 128M right now. Patrick william will get about 16-20M, if they bring back derozan that will be another 20+ potentially. Add in their draft pick and i dont think they are willing to take on THJs extra salary for caruso (likely puts them into tax)

[Colbinii]

Would Dejounte/FVV/Green work in Houston?

No. All of them are best suited to guard the PG as all struggle against guarding most skilled 2-guards.

[Colbinii]

Assuming Dallas stays about where they are salary wise after their “big” move this offseason…

Say the “big move” is THJ+first for Caruso ish..

Would you hard cap yourself if you could drop far enough under the tax to use the full MLE and split it between DJJ and Exum?

Give DJJ a “3yr22-24” and give Exum a new 3yr16ish, sort of just renegotiating Exum’s 1yr3 to keep him, while getting DJJ a bit extra..

I keep going back to this idea, I know. I just really like having those two around..

Or all of that is unnecessary to keep DJJ and you just keep Exum for one year, if he leaves he leaves?

Chicago is at 128M right now. Patrick william will get about 16-20M, if they bring back derozan that will be another 20+ potentially. Add in their draft pick and i dont think they are willing to take on THJs extra salary for caruso (likely puts them into tax)

The whole point of adding THJ is to not bring back DD though.

[Godaddycurse]

Assuming Dallas stays about where they are salary wise after their “big” move this offseason…

Say the “big move” is THJ+first for Caruso ish..

Would you hard cap yourself if you could drop far enough under the tax to use the full MLE and split it between DJJ and Exum?

Give DJJ a “3yr22-24” and give Exum a new 3yr16ish, sort of just renegotiating Exum’s 1yr3 to keep him, while getting DJJ a bit extra..

I keep going back to this idea, I know. I just really like having those two around..

Or all of that is unnecessary to keep DJJ and you just keep Exum for one year, if he leaves he leaves?

Chicago is at 128M right now. Patrick william will get about 16-20M, if they bring back derozan that will be another 20+ potentially. Add in their draft pick and i dont think they are willing to take on THJs extra salary for caruso (likely puts them into tax)

The whole point of adding THJ is to not bring back DD though.

I presume THJ is just salary filler. He also doesnt fill the SF hole that letting DDR and caruso go will create. I doubt chicago is tanking so they will bring back derozan

[Colbinii]

Chicago is at 128M right now. Patrick william will get about 16-20M, if they bring back derozan that will be another 20+ potentially. Add in their draft pick and i dont think they are willing to take on THJs extra salary for caruso (likely puts them into tax)

The whole point of adding THJ is to not bring back DD though.

I presume THJ is just salary filler. He also doesnt fill the SF hole that letting DDR and caruso go will create. I doubt chicago is tanking so they will bring back derozan

THJ played a majority of his minutes at the 3.

Regardless, there is little difference between a 2 and 3 in today's NBA. This isn't 2004.