Mitchell to San Francisco

Wolveswin · Post #1 » by **Wolveswin** » Tue Apr 9, 2024 8:05 pm

After the draft and after Klay has re-signed. Different landing spot for Mitchell. Warriors maybe have some back channels agreement Mitchell would re-sign or strongly consider. And Warriors would need to think Mitchell is missing piece to help Curry close out career with a chip.

Wizards Trade:
Kuzma + Filler + 2030 GSW 1st (top 20 protected)
FOR
Wiggins + Kuminga + 2031 GSW 1st (top 8 protected)
Why= get involved as 3rd team for assets.

Cavs Trade:
Mitchell + Filler
FOR
Kuzma + Moody + 25/27/29 GSW 1sts
Why= Kuzma and Moody can help win-now plus restock the asset cupboard.

Warriors Trade:
Wiggins + Kuminga + Moody + 25/27/29/31 1sts
FOR
Mitchell + Cavs Filler + Wizards Filler + 2030 Own 1st (returned)
Why= all-in for a Chip with Curry.

Looney
Green
Klay
Curry (load management having Mitchell)
Mitchell

Colbinii · Post #2 » by **Colbinii** » Tue Apr 9, 2024 8:10 pm

This seems like a massive overpay for Mitchell, but I also have Wiggins as a clear neutral value, Kuminga worth a lottery pick in this draft and Moody worth 1-2 2nds.

LightTheBeam · Post #3 » by **LightTheBeam** » Tue Apr 9, 2024 8:32 pm

Why is Washington here? Id rather have Kuminga/Wiggins by a mile over Kuzma.

Wiggins + Kuminga + 2 1sts + seems like the right price.

Wolveswin · Post #4 » by **Wolveswin** » Tue Apr 9, 2024 8:40 pm

LightTheBeam wrote:Why is Washington here? Id rather have Kuminga/Wiggins by a mile over Kuzma.

Wiggins + Kuminga + 2 1sts + seems like the right price.

To clear up another 1st and I rather have Kuzma. If a 3rd 1st isn’t needed, and Cavs rather have Wiggins, Wiz aren’t needed.

Wolveswin · Post #5 » by **Wolveswin** » Tue Apr 9, 2024 8:41 pm

Colbinii wrote:This seems like a massive overpay for Mitchell, but I also have Wiggins as a clear neutral value, Kuminga worth a lottery pick in this draft and Moody worth 1-2 2nds.

I think you are on low side. Wiggins is negative and needs something attached. If He isn’t, but he made last top negative value list.

eminence · Post #6 » by **eminence** » Tue Apr 9, 2024 8:44 pm

I'd still take Wiggins straight up over Kuzma. Get Washington outta here and maybe there is a deal.

Colbinii · Post #7 » by **Colbinii** » Tue Apr 9, 2024 8:57 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
Colbinii wrote:This seems like a massive overpay for Mitchell, but I also have Wiggins as a clear neutral value, Kuminga worth a lottery pick in this draft and Moody worth 1-2 2nds.

I think you are on low side. Wiggins is negative and needs something attached. If He isn’t, but he made last top negative value list.

I think most teams who want to win would take a chance on Wiggins. He was a Top 3 player on a title team less than 2 years ago and is still in the midst of his prime.

I also don't think the Warriors would ever trade Wiggins if they had to attach value to him.

LightTheBeam · Post #8 » by **LightTheBeam** » Tue Apr 9, 2024 9:02 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:Why is Washington here? Id rather have Kuminga/Wiggins by a mile over Kuzma.

Wiggins + Kuminga + 2 1sts + seems like the right price.

To clear up another 1st and I rather have Kuzma. If a 3rd 1st isn’t needed, and Cavs rather have Wiggins, Wiz aren’t needed.

I don't think all these 1sts are needed for an expiring Mitchell. Maybe an extra swap if anything with Kuminga + Picks.

If Cavs are of the opinion Wiggins is a negative, I'd offer Huerter/Duarte/Portland for Wiggins. Cavs have the defense to cover and could use the shooting.

Garland - Huerter - Kuminga - Mobley - Allen
LeVert - Strus - Wade - Niang

Wolveswin · Post #9 » by **Wolveswin** » Tue Apr 9, 2024 9:31 pm

LightTheBeam wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:Why is Washington here? Id rather have Kuminga/Wiggins by a mile over Kuzma.

Wiggins + Kuminga + 2 1sts + seems like the right price.

To clear up another 1st and I rather have Kuzma. If a 3rd 1st isn’t needed, and Cavs rather have Wiggins, Wiz aren’t needed.

I don't think all these 1sts are needed for an expiring Mitchell. Maybe an extra swap if anything with Kuminga + Picks.

If Cavs are of the opinion Wiggins is a negative, I'd offer Huerter/Duarte/Portland for Wiggins. Cavs have the defense to cover and could use the shooting.

Garland - Huerter - Kuminga - Mobley - Allen
LeVert - Strus - Wade - Niang

It’s only 3x 1sts going to Cavs in OP (one being 25 which 100% is when GSW have Mitchell). The 4th 1st in OP is sunk cost already owed Wiz. Without Wiz, Warriors only have 2x 1sts to offer (and 3rd 1st that is 21-30 protected). Which may be fine.

jayjaysee · Post #10 » by **jayjaysee** » Tue Apr 9, 2024 9:42 pm

I take Wiggins/Kuminga over Kuzma/first. Probably for every single team in the league?

The problem for me is why would Mitchell agree to stay in Golden State if they did this trade? They’d be hard capped due to this traded have no firsts and 1-2 decent prospects and 2 stars that might have 2-3 years left..

So I can’t see golden state doing it.

Post #11 » by **jbk1234** » Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:29 am

LightTheBeam wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:Why is Washington here? Id rather have Kuminga/Wiggins by a mile over Kuzma.

Wiggins + Kuminga + 2 1sts + seems like the right price.

To clear up another 1st and I rather have Kuzma. If a 3rd 1st isn’t needed, and Cavs rather have Wiggins, Wiz aren’t needed.

I don't think all these 1sts are needed for an expiring Mitchell. Maybe an extra swap if anything with Kuminga + Picks.

If Cavs are of the opinion Wiggins is a negative, I'd offer Huerter/Duarte/Portland for Wiggins. Cavs have the defense to cover and could use the shooting.

Garland - Huerter - Kuminga - Mobley - Allen
LeVert - Strus - Wade - Niang

There's no chance Huerter starts over Strus and Kumimga's value to Cleveland would be minimal as he's unable to stretch the floor. He's pretty much playing in ideal conditions in GS. I'd prefer to let another team buy high on him.

I'd have some interest in Moody, but a guy averaging 8 ppg isn't going to be the centerpiece of a Mitchell trade. It's hard to see a deal with GS unless there's a 3rd team out there who is uber high on Kuminga and is willing to provide alternative value.

HornetJail · Post #12 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:41 am

i don't think the Wizards are necessary here. throw them a 2nd or weaken the protection on that fake 1st they are owed in exchange for them moving it to 2031, then offer Kuminga, Wiggins, and the 3 1sts to CLE. Both players make a lot of sense for the Cavs.

babyjax13 · Post #13 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Apr 10, 2024 3:57 am

Agree, take put the Wizards. I'd put this at Wiggins, Kuminga, 3 1sts, but Golden State can make a competitive offer.

Richard4444 · Post #14 » by **Richard4444** » Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:14 am

I am not sure it's a good idea. But I think the Knicks would offer Mitch Robinson + Miles McBride + Bojan (filler) and 5 or 6 FRPs.

giberish · Post #15 » by **giberish** » Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:28 am

GS would be too small and thin to win anything. Mitchell needs to be a PG on defense.

Also no reason to donate Kunminga to the Wizards. If for some reason Cleveland wasn't interested I expect someone else would offer actual value for him (Washington's offering effectively nothing for him as they already are getting a pick upgrade for the Kuzma/Wiggins swap).

DowJones · Post #16 » by **DowJones** » Wed Apr 10, 2024 2:52 pm

Wiggins/Kuminga/2027 unprotected 1/2029 unprotected 1/2031 unprotected 1 for Mitchell is a legitimate offer to me as a Cavs fan. There can be some protections on the 2031 pick and it wouldn’t be a deal breaker for me.

Post #17 » by **gswhoops** » Wed Apr 10, 2024 3:25 pm

Not interested in Kuminga and 3 1sts for Mitchell even if he’s willing to re-sign.

jayjaysee · Post #18 » by **jayjaysee** » Wed Apr 10, 2024 3:35 pm

HornetJail wrote:i don't think the Wizards are necessary here. throw them a 2nd or weaken the protection on that fake 1st they are owed in exchange for them moving it to 2031, then offer Kuminga, Wiggins, and the 3 1sts to CLE. Both players make a lot of sense for the Cavs.

That part is true. Even if you keep the Wiz in to unlock the pick if necessary.. the 2030 pick is so well protected, Washington should gladly trade it for a lottery protected 2031.. or top 10 protected if necessary.

tidho · Post #19 » by **tidho** » Wed Apr 10, 2024 5:05 pm

i'd cut WAS out if i'm CLE too.

roster wouldn't be done, but Kuminga is a guy i'd want.

DonaldSanders · Post #20 » by **DonaldSanders** » Wed Apr 10, 2024 5:30 pm

This is an overpay, the Wizards portion and just the total assets spent here. I don't think you watch GSW much listing Looney as a starter considering he's been a healthy DNP lately. TJD starts now or we go small with Draymond at the 5.

Wiggins has been good the 2nd half of the season -- you won't see it in overall metrics because of how bad his 1st half was, but he's not someone the Warriors are willing to just give away or have to attach stuff to move. I get the fan perceptions, but they aren't how the Warriors will view it considering he has turned things around. The other issue here trading Wiggins (and Moody) is now you are giving up a lot of the lengthy defenders the Warriors rely on. Steph needs these athletes to help support on defense, especially in these coming years.

I think ultimately it might make sense to make a move based on Kuminga since he's our best asset, but it'd be more likely to be Kuminga + CP3 + picks. The CP contract (salary filler) can actually be adjusted to fit a lot of trades, it can go down to say match in say a Lauri trade. If the Warriors give up the farm it's unlikely to be for someone that is a backcourt mate for Steph that isn't a strong defender while also giving up important defenders. It just won't work.