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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0 

Post#281 » by fendilim » Tue Apr 9, 2024 11:09 pm

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Ok he defends point guards and we list him as point guard but what does he do on offense ? Brogdon, Russell and Jones perform p&r on 35%+ possesions. Suggs on 15% and he is in 25 percentile efficiency. Is that a point guard ?

So you’d prefer someone who’d take away usage from Paolo and Franz?

The Celtics have the same setup too, and the rest of the NBA. lol Jrue/White brings down the ball, get to the half court, pass it to Brown/Tatum. Also the same with players that don’t have point guards as their best player.


Boston is a good example. They have more of a two point guard setup than two shooting guard. Jrue had multiple seasons at 30%+ frequency and around 70 percentile pick and roll, White is at 27% and 80 percentile efficiency this year.
I am not saying Suggs cant get there, he was good running pick and roll in college, but we need someone better than him next to him, just as in your example imo.


That’s also true about Jrue, but your example with Jrue wasn’t about his time in Boston. He isn’t being used similarly.

And none of Tatum and Brown play like Paolo. Paolo needs the ball to be effective, he is the engine of our first unit. That’s his true strength. His passing and playmaking is of a point guard.

Same goes with Franz. Franz and Paolo are big playmakers out there.

Its funny because this is the first year Boston ran the 2 point guard system. Previously they ran it with Marcus Smart (similar to how we run Suggs now), and yet, at the same point to Tatum and Jaylen’s career (at two or three years in the league), Franz and Paolo (even at least double apg) already average better assist numbers to them, and is already winning. It just shows that they are better playmakers (than Tatum and Brown) and you don’t really need a ball dominant guard to play with them.

Can we get better at that? Yes. But still doesn’t change the fact that Suggs is better at point guard.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0 

Post#282 » by Skybox » Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:35 am

take comfort in the knowledge that this team will be really good when Suggs is the second-best offensive player in the backcourt (not the ONLY relevant one). Lotsa good this year - but having another scorer/creator is undeniable and unless you think battling for ANY playoff spot is the dream, year after year, you'll stop fighting it. Defensive identity will still be the hallmark of this team and the criteria for role players - but it will only take you so far without someone else who can take over a game once in a while (when the usuals are neutralized or just off - which happens)

Good news...everything is in place to make it happen this summer. Weltman can aim high or medium - given the salary space and tradable picks available to him to play with. Being 12 deep is not a thing - having 6-8 relevant rotation players and a couple developing on the side (AB & Jett), and a couple more low-paid vets ready to step in for spot minutes, is the way.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0 

Post#283 » by Skybox » Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:52 am

I wonder if there is any viable package for Mikal Bridges to join us (?)

He's not carrying the "star" price tag anymore and BRK is looking kind of rudderless. An absolute dream scenario could be taking Claxton as a UFA and then trading BRK his replacement in WCJ. Clearly, this is a buy-in on "Suggs, the PG" idea.

ORL sends: WCJ, Anthony Black, ORL 24 frp, DEN 25frp, ORL 27 frp (top 5 protected)
BRK sends: Mikal Bridges

BRK would have to see AB as an excellent prospect who could play next to scoring machine Cam Thomas. I'm not sure the rest of the league sees in AB what many here are projecting. You have to give to get and, IMO, AB and WCJ are solid pieces. BRK tanks a year, lets Simmons expire, and gets in the Cooper Flagg derby, with a bunch of picks and cap to start over (again).

Claxton, Mo, Goga (or vet min guy)
Paolo, Isaac
Franz, Houstan
Mikal Bridges, Jett
Suggs, Cole

*Not sure if ORL can (or should) keep Ingles in this scenario, if Harris would take a vet min deal, or Goga accept only a small raise or if ORL just fills out the roster with functional vet min guys. This summer and the next couple will involve some careful spending if we want to A) significantly get better and B) not get into excessive salary cap fees-ORL ownership just won't. This would be as high a reach, in terms of talent, that we could reasonably hope for without getting into multiple max deals (Mitchell ain't happening)
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0 

Post#284 » by drsd » Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:04 pm

Skybox wrote:take comfort in the knowledge that this team will be really good when Suggs is the second-best offensive player in the backcourt (not the ONLY relevant one). Lotsa good this year - but having another scorer/creator is undeniable and unless you think battling for ANY playoff spot is the dream, year after year, you'll stop fighting it. Defensive identity will still be the hallmark of this team and the criteria for role players - but it will only take you so far without someone else who can take over a game once in a while (when the usuals are neutralized or just off - which happens)

Good news...everything is in place to make it happen this summer. Weltman can aim high or medium - given the salary space and tradable picks available to him to play with. Being 12 deep is not a thing - having 6-8 relevant rotation players and a couple developing on the side (AB & Jett), and a couple more low-paid vets ready to step in for spot minutes, is the way.


Words of a genius!

To add to this, and why G-Harris MUST be moved on, you are arguing Suggs as the 4th offensive option (behind Banchero, F-Wagner and Mr. scoring-guard). I totally agree that must be his role on this team. This leaves Carter as the 5th option; another sound move for offense. Set screens, put-back dunks and a couple jacked threeballs a game.

Look: Suggs is not and will not be a 20 ppg player. That is not his role nor is it what his game is built to do.
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Post#285 » by Skybox » Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:14 pm

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Skybox wrote:take comfort in the knowledge that this team will be really good when Suggs is the second-best offensive player in the backcourt (not the ONLY relevant one). Lotsa good this year - but having another scorer/creator is undeniable and unless you think battling for ANY playoff spot is the dream, year after year, you'll stop fighting it. Defensive identity will still be the hallmark of this team and the criteria for role players - but it will only take you so far without someone else who can take over a game once in a while (when the usuals are neutralized or just off - which happens)

Good news...everything is in place to make it happen this summer. Weltman can aim high or medium - given the salary space and tradable picks available to him to play with. Being 12 deep is not a thing - having 6-8 relevant rotation players and a couple developing on the side (AB & Jett), and a couple more low-paid vets ready to step in for spot minutes, is the way.


Words of a genius!

To add to this, and why G-Harris MUST be moved on, you are arguing Suggs as the 4th offensive option (behind Banchero, F-Wagner and Mr. scoring-guard). I totally agree that must be his role on this team. This leaves Carter as the 5th option; another sound move for offense. Set screens, put-back dunks and a couple jacked threeballs a game.

Look: Suggs is not and will not be a 20 ppg player. That is not his role nor is it what his game is built to do.


Not a knock on him...just an ideal spot. Great teams might have 2 guys averaging 20+ ppg...but they NEED to have 4 guys who have a good chance of going for 20+ on any given night when circumstances, matchups, defensive schemes present it. I don't mean how Harris or AB or Houstan go for 20+ 4 times a season...I mean, they could do it weekly, if needed. BOS has 5 starters with legit ability to go for 30 on any given night, but two guys that are the clear scoring leaders. Any of their starters could easily avg 20ppg on a lesser team.
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Post#286 » by cedric76 » Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:30 pm

Time to go hard after pg13
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Post#287 » by GGforever » Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:46 pm

Alongside shooting and playmaking, one major goal this offseason has to be replacing Wendell Carter in the starting lineup. It is wild to me how soft he has become the past year. Charmin soft
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Post#288 » by jezzerinho » Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:51 pm

cedric76 wrote:Time to go hard after pg13


Would be amazing, but why move if youre PG?
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Post#289 » by drsd » Wed Apr 10, 2024 2:09 pm

cedric76 wrote:Time to go hard after pg13


George did play SG at the beginning of his career. And his game is definitely moving to more distance-shooting and less athletics. i.e.: he has the skills Orlando needs. So: I think management can be open minded to playing him as a guard.

Question: is he projected to opt-out of his 49M salary next year? That's a lot of money to walk away from.
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Post#290 » by Knightro » Wed Apr 10, 2024 2:11 pm

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cedric76 wrote:Time to go hard after pg13


George did play SG at the beginning of his career. And his game is definitely moving to more distance-shooting and less athletics. i.e.: he has the skills Orlando needs. So: I think management can be open minded to playing him as a guard.

Question: is he projected to opt-out of his 49M salary next year? That's a lot of money to walk away from.


He will opt out for sure if there's a 4 year max contract out there for him, and I believe it's out there.

I just don't think it's with Orlando.

Watch for Philadelphia.
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Post#291 » by cedric76 » Wed Apr 10, 2024 3:55 pm

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cedric76 wrote:Time to go hard after pg13


George did play SG at the beginning of his career. And his game is definitely moving to more distance-shooting and less athletics. i.e.: he has the skills Orlando needs. So: I think management can be open minded to playing him as a guard.

Question: is he projected to opt-out of his 49M salary next year? That's a lot of money to walk away from.


As previously mentioned:

I know this is not gonna happen as I don't see bulmers let PG13 Go, but if LAC don't do well in Playoff, we couldgo after him an offer him a 4ys Max contract

We want a 2 way player that can hit 3s? Here he a 33yrs old VET that does it all

This team is full of multi-position defender

Suggs,Cole, AB
PG13,Cole, Jett
Franz,Joe, Jett, Houstan
PB5,Moe, 2024 FRP
JI,WCJ,min VET

PG13 s contract would expire a yr after we have to comit big bucks to PB5

By that time he ll be 37 and ready to retire and JETT and AB will be well seasoned
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Post#292 » by cedric76 » Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:00 pm

Knightro wrote:
drsd wrote:
cedric76 wrote:Time to go hard after pg13


George did play SG at the beginning of his career. And his game is definitely moving to more distance-shooting and less athletics. i.e.: he has the skills Orlando needs. So: I think management can be open minded to playing him as a guard.

Question: is he projected to opt-out of his 49M salary next year? That's a lot of money to walk away from.


He will opt out for sure if there's a 4 year max contract out there for him, and I believe it's out there.

I just don't think it's with Orlando.

Watch for Philadelphia.


He ll opt out and use philly as leverage to get the most he can from lac

He loves LA, all his family is there so I don't see him leaving, however if the fail to pass the 1st round and lac Play hard ball with him and only offer 3 yrs I think we can be a better option that philly to pg13 s eyes

Philly can offer him as much as us but then will only have maxey+Joel and pg13 on their roster, then they ll have to add min contracts to fill their roster

On the other end, we d still have a strong roster

+ No income taxes:-)
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Post#293 » by Knightro » Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:51 pm

cedric76 wrote:
Knightro wrote:
drsd wrote:
George did play SG at the beginning of his career. And his game is definitely moving to more distance-shooting and less athletics. i.e.: he has the skills Orlando needs. So: I think management can be open minded to playing him as a guard.

Question: is he projected to opt-out of his 49M salary next year? That's a lot of money to walk away from.


He will opt out for sure if there's a 4 year max contract out there for him, and I believe it's out there.

I just don't think it's with Orlando.

Watch for Philadelphia.


He ll opt out and use philly as leverage to get the most he can from lac

He loves LA, all his family is there so I don't see him leaving, however if the fail to pass the 1st round and lac Play hard ball with him and only offer 3 yrs I think we can be a better option that philly to pg13 s eyes

Philly can offer him as much as us but then will only have maxey+Joel and pg13 on their roster, then they ll have to add min contracts to fill their roster

On the other end, we d still have a strong roster

+ No income taxes:-)


It's going to be interesting to see what happens with the Clippers this summer.

If they go out in the 1st round, is Ballmer going to just pretend like that didn't happen and resign Harden and George for huge salaries anyway?

I know Ballmer is wealthy, but at some point is that dude going to keep paying a 150-200M luxury tax bill for a team that isn't capable of getting out of the first round, much less contending for an actual championship?

I get paying the tax for several years if you actually have a chance to win a title like the Warriors did, or paying the price down the road financially for an extended run at the top, but for back-to-back first round exits? I dunno man.
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Post#294 » by cedric76 » Wed Apr 10, 2024 5:38 pm

Knightro wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
Knightro wrote:
He will opt out for sure if there's a 4 year max contract out there for him, and I believe it's out there.

I just don't think it's with Orlando.

Watch for Philadelphia.


He ll opt out and use philly as leverage to get the most he can from lac

He loves LA, all his family is there so I don't see him leaving, however if the fail to pass the 1st round and lac Play hard ball with him and only offer 3 yrs I think we can be a better option that philly to pg13 s eyes

Philly can offer him as much as us but then will only have maxey+Joel and pg13 on their roster, then they ll have to add min contracts to fill their roster

On the other end, we d still have a strong roster

+ No income taxes:-)


It's going to be interesting to see what happens with the Clippers this summer.

If they go out in the 1st round, is Ballmer going to just pretend like that didn't happen and resign Harden and George for huge salaries anyway?

I know Ballmer is wealthy, but at some point is that dude going to keep paying a 150-200M luxury tax bill for a team that isn't capable of getting out of the first round, much less contending for an actual championship?

I get paying the tax for several years if you actually have a chance to win a title like the Warriors did, or paying the price down the road financially for an extended run at the top, but for back-to-back first round exits? I dunno man.


Yes, I really hope they don't pass the 1st round, or even the playin, this would make this summer very exciting
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Post#295 » by basketballRob » Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:24 pm

I like Norman Powell from the Clippers. His contract is perfect for us. He has 2 years, $40m left.

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Post#296 » by basketballRob » Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:31 pm

KCP is pushing to be 1st team all defense. He'd fit in here.

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Post#297 » by cedric76 » Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:34 pm

basketballRob wrote:KCP is pushing to be 1st team all defense. He'd fit in here.

https://youtu.be/ldOWywhVCIc?feature=shared

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Post#298 » by ogmagicfan » Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:18 pm

Welp, Jrue signed a 4 yr/ 135 mil extension with the Celtics

There goes our #1 for this offseason :nonono:
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Post#299 » by Knightro » Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:21 pm

ogmagicfan wrote:Welp, Jrue signed a 4 yr/ 135 mil extension with the Celtics

There goes our #1 for this offseason :nonono:


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Post#300 » by basketballRob » Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:31 pm

We'll probably hear about KCP and Grayson getting extensions soon.

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