Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0

[RookieStar]

I'm pretty scared to drop a big deal on Monk. Feels like it could blow up in a bad way. High reward, but super high risk since he's never really been a starter before.

As far as Grayson Allen goes... he's in arguably the best possible situation a catch-and-shoot guy could possibly be in, playing off two Hall of Famers and another all-star and... he's a 0.0 EPM guy. He's fine. But I don't really want to commit big dollars to fine.

Wasn't he a starter in MIL?

I was referring to Monk.

Allen has started many places in his career, and he's a great shooter. I just don't think he's all that great at much of anything else.

Ah got it... then again, shooting at his rate and make is exactly what we need. Also he does make the effort to defend well ao def an upgrade of Gary

[KillMonger]

I like Malik Monk but man, he's close to being labeled injury prone

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[Knightro]

Wasn't he a starter in MIL?

I was referring to Monk.

Allen has started many places in his career, and he's a great shooter. I just don't think he's all that great at much of anything else.

Ah got it... then again, shooting at his rate and make is exactly what we need. Also he does make the effort to defend well ao def an upgrade of Gary

I don't think there's a *massive* difference between what Gary did last year (.431 3PT% on 4.5 3PTA and decent defense in 25 MPG) and what Grayson is doing this year (.456 3PT% on 5.9 3PTA and below average defense in 33.5 MPG)

I am also weary that a team like Orlando would be paying a premium for Grayson's .456 3PT% when A. that's the best he's ever shot by a wide margin, and B. he's 2nd in the NBA in "wide open" (no defender within 6 feet) three point attempts due to the fact he basically shares the court with 3 attention drawing all-star players all the time.

His 3PT% this year feels more like an outlier than what his next team should expect every year moving forward.

[SOUL]

I like Malik Monk but man, he's close to being labeled injury prone

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Last three years... Franz being one of our most dependable players when it comes to health besides ankle tweaks...

Franz Wagner = 229 out of 246 games, including seasons of 79 and 80 out of 82.
Malik Monk = 225 out of 246 games

In what world is that injury prone?? I feel y'all say that to anybody that gets injured lol

[KillMonger]

I like Malik Monk but man, he's close to being labeled injury prone

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Last three years... Franz being one of our most dependable players when it comes to health besides ankle tweaks...

Franz Wagner = 229 out of 246 games, including seasons of 79 and 80 out of 82.
Malik Monk = 225 out of 246 games

In what world is that injury prone?? I feel y'all say that to anybody that gets injured lol

4/2/24

Knee
3/30/24

MCL Sprain
12/23/23

Foot
12/21/23

Foot
4/6/23

Lower Leg
4/3/23

Leg
2/11/23

Ankle
1/6/23

Leg
1/2/23

Right Shoulder
12/31/22

Wrist
2/1/22

Groin
1/28/22

Groin


Okay my bad..... Not injury prone, monk and injuries have a collaborative relationship.....maybe not injury "prone" but injury something, that's for sure

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[SOUL]

Okay my bad..... Not injury prone, monk and injuries have a collaborative relationship.....maybe not injury "prone" but injury something, that's for sure

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I get what you mean, but why does that matter if the games played are showing something else though? Also I think you're just looking at injury designations, and tons of players have a lot of little things.

Jalen Brunson: https://www.foxsports.com/nba/jalen-brunson-player-injuries

And I wouldn't call him "injury prone" - there's very little iron man Mikal Bridges types today.

Like I said, even with Franz who is very durable...

Franz:

DATE

INJURY
4/8/24

Ankle
1/3/24

Ankle
4/8/23

Ankle
4/6/23

Ankle
3/25/23

Ankle
3/11/23

Ankle
3/4/23

Ankle
1/19/23

Ankle
12/20/22

Ankle
1/7/22

Ankle

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But yeah, I mean I get being concerned with his latest injury tho.. just dont think he's some guy that has showed he plays 40 games andt hats it.

[RookieStar]

I was referring to Monk.

Allen has started many places in his career, and he's a great shooter. I just don't think he's all that great at much of anything else.

Ah got it... then again, shooting at his rate and make is exactly what we need. Also he does make the effort to defend well ao def an upgrade of Gary

I don't think there's a *massive* difference between what Gary did last year (.431 3PT% on 4.5 3PTA and decent defense in 25 MPG) and what Grayson is doing this year (.456 3PT% on 5.9 3PTA and below average defense in 33.5 MPG)

I am also weary that a team like Orlando would be paying a premium for Grayson's .456 3PT% when A. that's the best he's ever shot by a wide margin, and B. he's 2nd in the NBA in "wide open" (no defender within 6 feet) three point attempts due to the fact he basically shares the court with 3 attention drawing all-star players all the time.

His 3PT% this year feels more like an outlier than what his next team should expect every year moving forward.

Well we have 2 attention drawing upcoming stars to also make him be wide open.

But yeah.. maybe it is an outlier or maybe not..

[CocoaFan]

Honestly... it's not THAT much.

2024 1st is gonna be 14-16.

2025 Denver 1st is gonna be 25 or later.

And that's it on the pick front?

If the Magic could get Isaac out of the deal and basically any other non Paolo/Franz/Suggs player into the deal instead, I'd probably have to do it on pure talent alone.

I'd be tempted even though I'm pretty high on AB. Trae is really, really good, though his stock is very low.

If the Magic could put Carter in Isaac's spot, I'd have to do it.

Then you go out and immediately sign Hartenstein or your guy Claxton to be the new starting center and defensive anchor and also sign Melton to be another defender in the backcourt.

Young, Suggs, Franz, Banchero, Claxton/Hartenstein
Anthony, Melton, Ingles, Isaac, Moritz

Something like that?

I really like a lot of this. I'm a little leery of Trae because he's kind of a chucker and I'm not sure how that would work for best use of Paolo, Franz and Suggs. I think I would rather have Murray. None of this matters because you know our FO is only capable of doing 1 thing at a time. Multiple acquisitions is beyond their capabilities.

[yoyojw17]

Agree...it's a ridiculous narrative. Paolo would laugh at anyone suggesting that a real PG or additional backcourt scoring is unnecessary because "he can just do it".

There is no narrative. The point was going out and spending $45 million on that individual.... IF you want to give these players a certain level of burn. It's about the timing. It's very obvious that they wanted to feature them ... look at the usage of any of the pg that have played. Would they have developed well... probably.... would they have developed the same.... probably not. It was more important for Houston to have a distributor from the perimeter.... but we have two forwards that are 6'10" and play predominantly outside in right now. Geez.... some of you'll attach to one part of something and then run with it to creative your own narrative of what someone is saying. Lol

...and some of you will casually throw away a season to learn something about a player. Paolo and Franz are here. NOW. Just because they're young doesn't mean ORL has to be a laboratory...in fact, it's incredibly fortunate to be ahead of schedule, not something to piss away as another "analysis year".

22 and 21..... and half this board thought we weren't going to be ish this season.... and here we are seeing their growth. I can easily .... some people wanna piss away $45 mill ... just because they can to add a player that they are not sure would have worked.... after one of their most inefficient shooting lines since coming into the league. sounds like patience is your forte and doing something without direction is better than waiting to make the better move.

[thelead]

I could forgive the FO for this trade deadline if they can make this happen

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[RookieStar]

I could forgive the FO for this trade deadline if they can make this happen

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They be like " why use trade capital when we can sign him in the offseason " and repeat

[drsd]

I could forgive the FO for this trade deadline if they can make this happen

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Orlando cannot afford Banchero, F-Wagner, Suggs AND Mitchell. Getting Mitchell probably costs F-Wagner (and a BUNCH of future draft assets). For example.

[orlando_joe]

I could forgive the FO for this trade deadline if they can make this happen

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Orlando cannot afford Banchero, F-Wagner, Suggs AND Mitchell. Getting Mitchell probably costs F-Wagner (and a BUNCH of future draft assets). For example.

the reason cavs trade him is he wont sign...what makes anyone think he signs with magic? and want to give franz and picks for 1 yr...crazy

[jezzerinho]

I could forgive the FO for this trade deadline if they can make this happen

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They be like " why use trade capital when we can NOT sign him in the offseason " and repeat

Corrected for you.

[Skybox]

I could forgive the FO for this trade deadline if they can make this happen

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Orlando cannot afford Banchero, F-Wagner, Suggs AND Mitchell. Getting Mitchell probably costs F-Wagner (and a BUNCH of future draft assets). For example.

the reason cavs trade him is he wont sign...what makes anyone think he signs with magic? and want to give franz and picks for 1 yr...crazy

Right. Obvious deterrent…it’s not like CLE WANTS to move him…he’s made it clear he’s a flight risk. Sadly - no

[Skybox]

ORL sends: WCJ, Cole, 24 frp, 25 DEN frp
DET sends: Duren, Ivey

I include Cole just to clear more salary for FA shopping, but he could certainly stay out of it. I figure Ivey would take some of his mins AND this trade wouldn't necessarily slow down our trade or FA attempts to sign a scoring guard to start next to Suggs (Monk, DLo, Simons, Brogdon, ideally Dejounte)...we'd actually save money (for now at least) and get an immediate upgrade at C (I'd argue WCJ might even be better than Duren, but not for ORL). Duren is a young, springy, block of granite that Mose could mold into the defensive, physical monster that would fit perfectly next to Franz & Paolo. Ivey has been disappointing but badly miscast next to Cade...now DET has added Sasser and Ausar, who make Ivey somewhat expendable. Ivey is basically similar to Cole today, but might have greater upside and fit more of a need in ORL. DET seems to really want to jump to a win-now situation, despite their terrible season, and Cole gives them a proven spark off the bench and not much of a dropoff from Ivey...and a couple of firsts to play with.

IF ORL pulled this off, I'd still go get a vet scoring PG in FA...it would make even more sense to throw a big 2+1 offer to "steal" a guy, because we'd have just added his potential replacement (along with Black and Jett, who should all be "clarified" in 2 seasons) in Ivey, so we'd have a lot of possible directions to consider after a couple overpaid, but not problematically, seasons of Russell or Monk (or Brogdon?). We WOULD be looking at more rookie extensions to add on the pile in a couple of years, but I think we'd really know who's fitting in. Honestly, I'd give that package just for Duren- I think he'd be Mose's pet project and eventual elite role player (on a rookie deal)...Ivey is a huge upside, no real risk part of the deal, imo. Even if he doesn't develop much more, he'll be extended at a reasonable rate or let go...it's also quite likely that he blows up. He had a much better rookie year (with Cade out) and we say all the time on the ORL boards that "rookies stink", so maybe he's going to be much better here.

Monk, Black
Suggs, Ivey, Jett
Franz, Houstan, Ingles?
Paolo, Isaac, we still have money to spend...Kyle Anderson?
Duren, Mo, Goga or some vet min body

[eyriq]

ORL sends: WCJ, Cole, 24 frp, 25 DEN frp
DET sends: Duren, Ivey

I include Cole just to clear more salary for FA shopping, but he could certainly stay out of it. I figure Ivey would take some of his mins AND this trade wouldn't necessarily slow down our trade or FA attempts to sign a scoring guard to start next to Suggs (Monk, DLo, Simons, Brogdon, ideally Dejounte)...we'd actually save money (for now at least) and get an immediate upgrade at C (I'd argue WCJ might even be better than Duren, but not for ORL). Duren is a young, springy, block of granite that Mose could mold into the defensive, physical monster that would fit perfectly next to Franz & Paolo. Ivey has been disappointing but badly miscast next to Cade...now DET has added Sasser and Ausar, who make Ivey somewhat expendable. Ivey is basically similar to Cole today, but might have greater upside and fit more of a need in ORL. DET seems to really want to jump to a win-now situation, despite their terrible season, and Cole gives them a proven spark off the bench and not much of a dropoff from Ivey...and a couple of firsts to play with.

IF ORL pulled this off, I'd still go get a vet scoring PG in FA...it would make even more sense to throw a big 2+1 offer to "steal" a guy, because we'd have just added his potential replacement (along with Black and Jett, who should all be "clarified" in 2 seasons) in Ivey, so we'd have a lot of possible directions to consider after a couple overpaid, but not problematically, seasons of Russell or Monk (or Brogdon?). We WOULD be looking at more rookie extensions to add on the pile in a couple of years, but I think we'd really know who's fitting in. Honestly, I'd give that package just for Duren- I think he'd be Mose's pet project and eventual elite role player (on a rookie deal)...Ivey is a huge upside, no real risk part of the deal, imo. Even if he doesn't develop much more, he'll be extended at a reasonable rate or let go...it's also quite likely that he blows up. He had a much better rookie year (with Cade out) and we say all the time on the ORL boards that "rookies stink", so maybe he's going to be much better here.

Monk, Black
Suggs, Ivey, Jett
Franz, Houstan, Ingles?
Paolo, Isaac, we still have money to spend...Kyle Anderson?
Duren, Mo, Goga or some vet min body

Duren is extremely legit.

[cedric76]

A under the radar target is Melton, great defensive player of the bench behind our starting SG

Caruso would be nice too (draft trade)

[drsd]

A under the radar target is Melton, great defensive player of the bench behind our starting SG

Caruso would be nice too (draft trade)

Either would be outstanding as Anthony replacements to play next to Black as core bench players.

[RichCollab]

Gary Harris will play 54 games this season. I would be ok keeping him if he played 70 games. It’s time. Fultz played 43. It’s honestly past time to move on from him and I love the guy.

Cole played 80 and brings offense. Cole can be the most annoying player sometimes but he really isn’t a concern when we have Harris and Fultz on the roster.

Can Harris take a close to vet minimum contract and be an occasional rotation player. Possibly but we do need to address health.

JI is a special player so I’m fine keeping him around and see. 58 game season is showing improvement for him.