Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 6.0 -Everything's Gonna Be All Wright

[IceColdCubano]

Jovic and Jaime can go without a doubt if an all star is coming in return

You need to match salaries, Jovic & Jaime going out would need to be attached to Jimmy Butler.
Doubful this FO attachs all three young players, in Tyler, Jovic, Jaime to get a run down build with an aging Jimmy Butler.
Which means your then starting with nothing, outside of Bam + that Mythical Star your getting. Little draft picks, a bunch of vet minimun guys, hopefully Jimmy trade at that point nets at least a recovered 1st rounder, nobody is giving you 2 for an aging Jimmy Butler who plays less than 50 games. Were in a bad spot fam!!!

I disagree brother! I’d prefer the 3rd all star with Jimmy and Bam that will allow Jimmy to rest over the season and us still win games with Bam and the other guy leading the charge. I know I keep bringing up Mitchell but just have someone like Mitchell in mind when envisioning it (fast guard who’s an explosive scorer and works great with his bigs, or hell even Dame) but if we had someone like Mitchell to go with Bam those 2 guys and our role players (several vets would come flocking) would have us at the 2 seed right now worst case and then you slide playoff Jimmy in there and go for it all. Would work out perfectly for everyone tbh.

I think the Heat would also prefer that star with Jimmy and Bam as well. Obviously if you can keep one of Jovic or Jaime or maybe even this years picks then you do it but they’re not stopping me from getting another legit all star here with our guys.

If this was 2-3 years ago, hell last year sure. After this offseason, you don't make that trade with this version of Jimmy, Fact is this version of Jimmy even with a Donovan Mitchell your not winning a chip, sucks to say. There's not much left in the tank, a slowed down version, with little of Jimmy is a high level role player at best making too much money. I do agree 100% that Jimmy is here to stay, and will retire here, which is why this won't get done, and we won't have the third star on this team. This FO will not sacrifice its future on an aging star by letting go of their young assets for a 1-2 year maybe window.

[DayofMourning]

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Speak of the devil!!!

Mitchell for Butler?

I have a very hard time believing cavs make a deal with us after the lebron fiasco and same eastern conf.
We also don't have lots to offer.

I unfortunately think we run this team back. Give rozier an offseason. Duncan will have one less year and entering partially guaranteed last year. Spo and Riley will say we weren't healthy and had no chemistry and that we have enough.

The most I can see is an in season trade before deadline. But this salary stuff so hard.

Tbf, I love this team. If we get prime, playoff Butler then we can do things. A Derrick Lively wouldnt hurt either.

[twix2500]

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Speak of the devil!!!

You gut the team for Mitchell, then rebuild. Do not worry about keeping complimentary peices. After this season its rebuild not reload. Heat has to find a player to build around

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Obviously Herro was supposed to be that 3rd guy. I'm not sure what Heat could put together that would be attractive enough to land Mitchell when they couldn't land old Lilliard and his $50 million/yr deal.

Oh we could’ve easily worked out a deal for Lillard, unfortunately there were greater powers at work there

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Speak of the devil!!!

Mitchell for Butler?

I have a very hard time believing cavs make a deal with us after the lebron fiasco and same eastern conf.
We also don't have lots to offer.

I unfortunately think we run this team back. Give rozier an offseason. Duncan will have one less year and entering partially guaranteed last year. Spo and Riley will say we weren't healthy and had no chemistry and that we have enough.

The most I can see is an in season trade before deadline. But this salary stuff so hard.

Good lord I hope not, these last 2 regular seasons have been miserable idk if I can do a 3rd

[3ammy3uck3ts]

You need to match salaries, Jovic & Jaime going out would need to be attached to Jimmy Butler.
Doubful this FO attachs all three young players, in Tyler, Jovic, Jaime to get a run down build with an aging Jimmy Butler.
Which means your then starting with nothing, outside of Bam + that Mythical Star your getting. Little draft picks, a bunch of vet minimun guys, hopefully Jimmy trade at that point nets at least a recovered 1st rounder, nobody is giving you 2 for an aging Jimmy Butler who plays less than 50 games. Were in a bad spot fam!!!

I disagree brother! I’d prefer the 3rd all star with Jimmy and Bam that will allow Jimmy to rest over the season and us still win games with Bam and the other guy leading the charge. I know I keep bringing up Mitchell but just have someone like Mitchell in mind when envisioning it (fast guard who’s an explosive scorer and works great with his bigs, or hell even Dame) but if we had someone like Mitchell to go with Bam those 2 guys and our role players (several vets would come flocking) would have us at the 2 seed right now worst case and then you slide playoff Jimmy in there and go for it all. Would work out perfectly for everyone tbh.

I think the Heat would also prefer that star with Jimmy and Bam as well. Obviously if you can keep one of Jovic or Jaime or maybe even this years picks then you do it but they’re not stopping me from getting another legit all star here with our guys.

If this was 2-3 years ago, hell last year sure. After this offseason, you don't make that trade with this version of Jimmy, Fact is this version of Jimmy even with a Donovan Mitchell your not winning a chip, sucks to say. There's not much left in the tank, a slowed down version, with little of Jimmy is a high level role player at best making too much money. I do agree 100% that Jimmy is here to stay, and will retire here, which is why this won't get done, and we won't have the third star on this team. This FO will not sacrifice its future on an aging star by letting go of their young assets for a 1-2 year maybe window.

I’ll see how Jimmy looks in the postseason (if we make it) before buying into that

[AirP.]

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Speak of the devil!!!

You gut the team for Mitchell, then rebuild. Do not worry about keeping complimentary peices. After this season its rebuild not reload. Heat has to find a player to build around

That's interesting, Miami would be adding a player that would only be 2 years younger than what Butler was when they acquired him and we've seen how that "build" has worked.

I don't know how you gut the team for a 28-year-old (which he'll be in September) smallish athletic scorer and expect to compete for a championship before he loses too much of his athletic ability that brings him down to earth. If you can get him to team up with Butler and Bam sure, if not I'm not sure you'll have a real championship window with him if you gut the team and have to rebuild for multiple years... meaning now you're dealing with your #1 player in the Butler window that Miami didn't do much for.

If Miami wants to go all in, they need to take a risk of overpaying a very young player who hasn't exactly lived up to their potential, go after someone like Cunningham or Zion. For a cheaper risk... maybe look into acquiring Sexton who's scoring almost 19 points in 27 minutes which is a scoring rate that is over 25 points per36, basically what he was doing in Cleveland before his torn left meniscus.

[Lennyzinho]

Mitchell for Butler?

I have a very hard time believing cavs make a deal with us after the lebron fiasco and same eastern conf.
We also don't have lots to offer.

I unfortunately think we run this team back. Give rozier an offseason. Duncan will have one less year and entering partially guaranteed last year. Spo and Riley will say we weren't healthy and had no chemistry and that we have enough.

The most I can see is an in season trade before deadline. But this salary stuff so hard.

Good lord I hope not, these last 2 regular seasons have been miserable idk if I can do a 3rd

Heat don't do crazy. And they won't give up on Jimmy after he came here and made us relevant.

I would like us to draft size (Ware/Edey). Let Bam be a PF sometimes. Be more of a jerami grant or KAT than Anthony Davis. Like when he played with Meyers Leonard. That way he doesn't get so beat up. Let him shoot more 3s. More rebounding. More rim protection. More shots at the rim. We need to stop being so mid range happy. Jrich will be back. Caleb gone. Don't see much else realistically happening.

Rozier / Jrich / Delon
Herro / Duncan / Haywood
Jimmy / JJJ / Haywood
Jovic / Bam
Bam / Edey (R) / Love

Let's be real tho the heat hate size.

[Daffy]

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Speak of the devil!!!

Go.
All.
In.

Worry about adding pieces after. A core of Spo Spida, Bam, and even an aging Butler can contend with the right pieces around them. Adding Mitchell means we no longer need Butler to go off to win in the post season.

[Daffy]

How many 1st do we still have available that can be traded or opened up for trades?

[IceColdCubano]

How many 1st do we still have available that can be traded or opened up for trades?

Right now only 1, we can trade 2 by moving some things around during the upcoming draft. In the end the Rozier trade was a finger in a gushing wound that could turn into an infection later by not letting us net a top tier player in a trade by losing 1 FRP, and blocking another one due to the Stepien rule. Where after this season Miami could have had 3 FRP's available to them. Additionally the schenerio below still sucks, because its forces you to make this deal happen during the draft, where teams may not be ready to let X player go, and also its a bad draft which means our pick is not valuable to that degree. Were not in a good situation to go get a Superstar at this moment were 2-3 years away again, we keep kicking the can down the street making these little arbitrary trades losing out on FRP's when we need them there not available.

"Because of that Stepien rule, the Heat can now trade only one future first-round draft pick (in 2030). But Miami theoretically could trade its 2024 first-round pick as well if it has a prearranged trade on draft night and Miami selects a player on behalf of that other team."

[Daffy]

How many 1st do we still have available that can be traded or opened up for trades?

Right now only 1, we can trade 2 by moving some things around during the upcoming draft. In the end the Rozier trade was a finger in a gushing wound that could turn into an infection later by not letting us net a top tier player in a trade by losing 1 FRP, and blocking another one due to the Stepien rule. Where after this season Miami could have had 3 FRP's available to them.

"Because of that Stepien rule, the Heat can now trade only one future first-round draft pick (in 2030). But Miami theoretically could trade its 2024 first-round pick as well if it has a prearranged trade on draft night and Miami selects a player on behalf of that other team."

We're ****.

[Pokuokic]

I wonder if the Cavs would do things again they would have traded Mobley or Allen and paired them with Lauri rather than trading him for Mitchell, because realistically Cavs are no threat to do anything and they sold off a ton of assets and probably hindered Garland as well for a 1st round exit against a mediocre Knicks team and look like the easiest team to beat in the whole playoff picture in either conference. Top that off a gross overpay for Struss who was a 34% 3pt shooter with the Heat with medicore D and no playmaking....they could have a had a nice core of Garland/Mobley/Lauri + assets from the Allen deal to maybe land a starting SF.

[eddieheatfan]

How many 1st do we still have available that can be traded or opened up for trades?

Right now only 1, we can trade 2 by moving some things around during the upcoming draft. In the end the Rozier trade was a finger in a gushing wound that could turn into an infection later by not letting us net a top tier player in a trade by losing 1 FRP, and blocking another one due to the Stepien rule. Where after this season Miami could have had 3 FRP's available to them.

"Because of that Stepien rule, the Heat can now trade only one future first-round draft pick (in 2030). But Miami theoretically could trade its 2024 first-round pick as well if it has a prearranged trade on draft night and Miami selects a player on behalf of that other team."

We're ****.

dame was the guy to get this season but sadly front office slept at the wheel

[Lennyzinho]

I wonder if the Cavs would do things again they would have traded Mobley or Allen and paired them with Lauri rather than trading him for Mitchell, because realistically Cavs are no threat to do anything and they sold off a ton of assets and probably hindered Garland as well for a 1st round exit against a mediocre Knicks team and look like the easiest team to beat in the whole playoff picture in either conference. Top that off a gross overpay for Struss who was a 34% 3pt shooter with the Heat with medicore D and no playmaking....they could have a had a nice core of Garland/Mobley/Lauri + assets from the Allen deal to maybe land a starting SF.

Sometimes you gotta take chances. Like what Toronto did with that Kawhi trade. Cavs probably don't do that deal after seeing what Lauri has become and the draft capital sent. Their core is still very young but they can't lose donovan for nothing. They will absolutely trade him to highest bidder and that won't be us.

Are they really gonna take Herro + JJJ + whoever we draft + 2030 frp for donovan?
Nets can offer far more. Pelicans can also. Spurs to pair him with Wemby (still think they get trae). I dont see other teams as fits or willing to empty the cupboards for donovan but who knows. Bucks shocked me with Dame so.

[El Alonzo scowl]

How many 1st do we still have available that can be traded or opened up for trades?

Right now only 1, we can trade 2 by moving some things around during the upcoming draft. In the end the Rozier trade was a finger in a gushing wound that could turn into an infection later by not letting us net a top tier player in a trade by losing 1 FRP, and blocking another one due to the Stepien rule. Where after this season Miami could have had 3 FRP's available to them.

"Because of that Stepien rule, the Heat can now trade only one future first-round draft pick (in 2030). But Miami theoretically could trade its 2024 first-round pick as well if it has a prearranged trade on draft night and Miami selects a player on behalf of that other team."

We're ****.

Scary Terry trade is a lowkey disaster unless he helps us win a title.

[twix2500]

Looks like the off-season has started lol

[IceColdCubano]

I wonder if the Cavs would do things again they would have traded Mobley or Allen and paired them with Lauri rather than trading him for Mitchell, because realistically Cavs are no threat to do anything and they sold off a ton of assets and probably hindered Garland as well for a 1st round exit against a mediocre Knicks team and look like the easiest team to beat in the whole playoff picture in either conference. Top that off a gross overpay for Struss who was a 34% 3pt shooter with the Heat with medicore D and no playmaking....they could have a had a nice core of Garland/Mobley/Lauri + assets from the Allen deal to maybe land a starting SF.

Sometimes you gotta take chances. Like what Toronto did with that Kawhi trade. Cavs probably don't do that deal after seeing what Lauri has become and the draft capital sent. Their core is still very young but they can't lose donovan for nothing. They will absolutely trade him to highest bidder and that won't be us.

Are they really gonna take Herro + JJJ + whoever we draft + 2030 frp for donovan?
Nets can offer far more. Pelicans can also. Spurs to pair him with Wemby (still think they get trae). I dont see other teams as fits or willing to empty the cupboards for donovan but who knows. Bucks shocked me with Dame so.

The problem with sending out the player we draft, would mean for the Cleveland to get best bang for their buck, they would need to make the selection through us on draft day, unfortunately that won't happen since their not going to have the tough conversation with Donovan until later in the summer as we get closer to the upcoming season. Its gonna be really hard for them to just make that decision on draft day, as Cleveland would likely want to look around with enough time to get the best offers from all teams bidding, which is best done in the summer and not during draft day, were there are a thousand moving parts and time is off the essence for selection.

So youll have as asset capital ($30M Herro) + ($2.3M Jovic) + ($4.2M JJJ) + (1 FRP 2030) + (2024 FRP selection, which they may or may not like.)
You would have to be agreeing to give Donovan Mitchell a Max salary or Supermax extension whatever it is max money he can get.
That leaves you with Bam's upcoming Max extension/Super Max, and Jimmy Uber Extension. We will be paying tax out the mofo, I think our best thing moving forward, would be to send Jimmy to another team take back young players or less salary/FRP's whatever combo is best, fwd that to Cleveland plus Herro + FRP. Youd clear massive salary from Jimmy, gain additional young assets so that you don't send every FRP you own or loss out on Jovic/JJJ and then you'll have. Donovan, Bam, JJJ, Jovic, and cap space to sign free agent to fit next to Bam and Donovan.

[IceColdCubano]

Right now only 1, we can trade 2 by moving some things around during the upcoming draft. In the end the Rozier trade was a finger in a gushing wound that could turn into an infection later by not letting us net a top tier player in a trade by losing 1 FRP, and blocking another one due to the Stepien rule. Where after this season Miami could have had 3 FRP's available to them.

"Because of that Stepien rule, the Heat can now trade only one future first-round draft pick (in 2030). But Miami theoretically could trade its 2024 first-round pick as well if it has a prearranged trade on draft night and Miami selects a player on behalf of that other team."

We're ****.

Scary Terry trade is a lowkey disaster unless he helps us win a title.

Like many have said before, were not a Scary Terry away from a chip, were a Damien Lillard, or Kevin Durant, or Steph Curry, or Giannis, or a top ten scoring talent in the NBA away. Jimmy was supposed to be the Alpha scorer in this build next to Bam, and all we would need would be a third complementary piece that could play off ball, and hit the three ball at a high clip. Herro is but also isn't that guy for myriad of reasons weve talked about to nauseum. Which is why Lillard would have fit so well here, unfortunately now we are needing to replace Jimmy inability to be an alpha scorer as-well, but Jimmy taking so much of our cap is a detriment to the build if he is subpar and just a high level role player as he ages. So hard choices will need to be made.

[greg4012]

Right now only 1, we can trade 2 by moving some things around during the upcoming draft. In the end the Rozier trade was a finger in a gushing wound that could turn into an infection later by not letting us net a top tier player in a trade by losing 1 FRP, and blocking another one due to the Stepien rule. Where after this season Miami could have had 3 FRP's available to them.

"Because of that Stepien rule, the Heat can now trade only one future first-round draft pick (in 2030). But Miami theoretically could trade its 2024 first-round pick as well if it has a prearranged trade on draft night and Miami selects a player on behalf of that other team."

We're ****.

Scary Terry trade is a lowkey disaster unless he helps us win a title.

IMO Terry is a very tradeable asset on a controlled reasonable contract. Helps with matching salary for bringing in any "star"