Goal: Trade Markkanen to SAC

[Wolveswin]

As soon as the last pick in the first round is made this summer, the “7 drafts out rule” would allow for 2031. At that point, the 2024 1st is in the past, so 2031 would be within 7 drafts.

Little different than what Google says.

Teams can trade first-round picks seven years out. So most teams can trade a 2031 first-round pick after June 27, the date of this year's NBA Draft.

So, still begs same question. 76ers can’t include 31 AND 24. It would need to be rights to 2024 player (who 76ers drafted and other NBA team had no part selecting) and 2031 couldn’t be added until after draft.

Well, who or what on google is saying that? There’s a lot of places that aren’t specific. Even then, I don’t see that quote differing from my reading of the rule as they only differ in a matter of hours from mine.

The specificity of the nba is that it matters when the first round is completed, which is why trades are usually announced from the dais in the second round during draft night.

The other team could absolutely have a part in selecting the 24 1st. No issue with sending that pick and the 2031 1st together. It’s not like the sign and trade complications where you can’t even negotiate with a player until weeks later. The teams are free to negotiate the picks before hand. They just can’t complete a trade involving the 2031 1st until after the draft (or after the first round is complete). Which doesn’t cause any issue with discussing the 2024 1st.

As I added above, 76ers picks package is fairly weak. They really need to unprotect 25 and 27 already owed.

Gaining 2031 is nice (most team also gain that 2031) but 76ers 2031 comes with a ton of what if chances of never conveying.

[Wolveswin]

Philly can offer...

2024 76ers First Round Draft Pick
2026 Lowest of Rockets/Clippers/Thunder/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2028 Earlier of Clippers/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2029 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys 2 years after 2027 1st goes to Brooklyn)
2031 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys only if 2029 1st conveys 2 years prior otherwise becomes 2031 76ers 2nd Round Draft Pick)

This is the more accurate list but check for errors:

2024 Rights to who 76ers selected at #17*
2025 76ers First Round Pick (7-30 protected, 1 shot deal)
2026 Lowest of Rockets/Clippers/Thunder First Round Pick
2026 Swap: see above and add 76ers First swap potential (extinguished if 2025 First doesn’t convey)
2028 Swap: Earlier of Clippers/76ers First Round Pick (but extinguished if 25 or 27 owed firsts don’t convey in those years)
2029 Unprotected 76ers First Round Pick with Clippers swap rights protected 1-3 (conveys 2 years after 2027 first goes to Brooklyn)
2030 Swap (but extinguished if 25 or 27 owed Firsts don’t convey in those years)
2031 Unprotected 76ers First Round Pick
(conveys only if 2029 First conveys 2 years prior otherwise becomes 2031 76ers 2nd Round Draft Pick)

[NYG]

Philly can offer...

2024 76ers First Round Draft Pick
2026 Lowest of Rockets/Clippers/Thunder/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2028 Earlier of Clippers/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2029 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys 2 years after 2027 1st goes to Brooklyn)
2031 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys only if 2029 1st conveys 2 years prior otherwise becomes 2031 76ers 2nd Round Draft Pick)

This is the more accurate list but check for errors:

2024 Rights to who 76ers selected at #17*
2025 76ers First Round Pick (7-30 protected, 1 shot deal)
2026 Lowest of Rockets/Clippers/Thunder First Round Pick
2026 Swap: see above and add 76ers First swap potential (extinguished if 2025 First doesn’t convey)
2028 Swap: Earlier of Clippers/76ers First Round Pick (but extinguished if 25 or 27 owed firsts don’t convey in those years)
2029 Unprotected 76ers First Round Pick with Clippers swap rights protected 1-3 (conveys 2 years after 2027 first goes to Brooklyn)
2030 Swap (but extinguished if 25 or 27 owed Firsts don’t convey in those years)
2031 Unprotected 76ers First Round Pick
(conveys only if 2029 First conveys 2 years prior otherwise becomes 2031 76ers 2nd Round Draft Pick)

Since Philly is a cap space team could they trade for and extend Lauri?

[Wolveswin]

Philly can offer...

2024 76ers First Round Draft Pick
2026 Lowest of Rockets/Clippers/Thunder/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2028 Earlier of Clippers/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2029 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys 2 years after 2027 1st goes to Brooklyn)
2031 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys only if 2029 1st conveys 2 years prior otherwise becomes 2031 76ers 2nd Round Draft Pick)

This is the more accurate list but check for errors:

2024 Rights to who 76ers selected at #17*
2025 76ers First Round Pick (7-30 protected, 1 shot deal)
2026 Lowest of Rockets/Clippers/Thunder First Round Pick
2026 Swap: see above and add 76ers First swap potential (extinguished if 2025 First doesn’t convey)
2028 Swap: Earlier of Clippers/76ers First Round Pick (but extinguished if 25 or 27 owed firsts don’t convey in those years)
2029 Unprotected 76ers First Round Pick with Clippers swap rights protected 1-3 (conveys 2 years after 2027 first goes to Brooklyn)
2030 Swap (but extinguished if 25 or 27 owed Firsts don’t convey in those years)
2031 Unprotected 76ers First Round Pick
(conveys only if 2029 First conveys 2 years prior otherwise becomes 2031 76ers 2nd Round Draft Pick)

Since Philly is a cap space team could they trade for and extend Lauri?

Someone else said no. Some kind of contract freeze time frame doesn’t make it logical. Possible but not logical.

[Jkam31]

Since March 1st (when Keon Ellis began to receive regular minutes), the Kings are 4th in DEFRtg. Keep in mind that this occurred with Harrison Barnes at PF. This makes me wonder if we can get away with someone who’s not a great/elite defender at PF.

If that’s the case, Markkanen seems like a terrific fit on offense as he can be that 2nd option behind Fox (pushing Sabonis into that preferred 3rd option role) while also not being ball dominant (allowing Sabonis to fill that preferred facilitator role). He’s also not only a good C&S shooter but also a great movement shooter which allows the Kings to continue utilizing a lot of that DHO action with Sabonis. Lastly, considering Markkanen isn’t ball dominant, I think it still allows room for Murray to grow offensively and become another good go-to scoring option for the Kings.

Defensively, I’d imagine he’s not worse than Barnes especially since he has much more size, is a much better rebounder, and is a better rim protector.

So with that in mind, what’s a trade that would make sense for both parties? I’d prefer to keep Fox, Monk (FA anyways), Ellis, Murray, and Sabonis out of trade discussions so that leaves the following players/picks to work with (assuming the Kings make the playoffs this year thus unlocking all of their future 1sts for trade again):

Harrison Barnes
Kevin Huerter
Trey Lyles
Sasha Vezenkov
Davion Mitchell
Chris Duarte
Colby Jones
2025 SAC 1st
2026 SAC 1st
2027 SAC 1st
2028 SAC 1st
2029 SAC 1st
2030 SAC 1st
2031 SAC 1st
2024 SAC 2nd
2025 POR 2nd
2025 SAC 2nd
2026 SAC 2nd
2027 SAC 2nd
2028 SAC 2nd
2029 SAC 2nd
2031 SAC 2nd

That’s a nothing burger, Murray needs to be in the deal.

Lmao best they’ll get is Mitchell and jones how incompetent do you have to be to trade Keegan for a non superstar that’s expiring

[jazzfan1971]

I don't think those firsts would be that enticing after the Jazz make the kings a 50 win team for the next decade.

I'd rater trade with someone holding another teams picks like BK.

[BlazersBroncos]

I dont see a deal w/o Keegan.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Philly would offer more than that

What would they offer?

i think they can trade up to 5 1sts at the draft

Philly doesn't have control over their own FRP until 2029. They owe OKC a conditional first and after that is settled they owe Brooklyn a conditional first.

[Godaddycurse]

What would they offer?

i think they can trade up to 5 1sts at the draft

Philly doesn't have control over their own FRP until 2029. They owe OKC a conditional first and after that is settled they owe Brooklyn a conditional first.

they can trade their own 24/29/31 and trade the 2 1sts they got from harden trade

[Kizz Fastfists]

i think they can trade up to 5 1sts at the draft

Philly doesn't have control over their own FRP until 2029. They owe OKC a conditional first and after that is settled they owe Brooklyn a conditional first.

they can trade their own 24/29/31 and trade the 2 1sts they got from harden trade

You are trying really hard so I will call you are almost correct. They can NOT do it at the draft. If they traded their pick at the draft without owning their 2025 pick it would be illegal. It would have to be done after the draft and the pick was signed similar to how Cleveland traded Wiggins for Love.

[AingesBurner]

Since March 1st (when Keon Ellis began to receive regular minutes), the Kings are 4th in DEFRtg. Keep in mind that this occurred with Harrison Barnes at PF. This makes me wonder if we can get away with someone who’s not a great/elite defender at PF.

If that’s the case, Markkanen seems like a terrific fit on offense as he can be that 2nd option behind Fox (pushing Sabonis into that preferred 3rd option role) while also not being ball dominant (allowing Sabonis to fill that preferred facilitator role). He’s also not only a good C&S shooter but also a great movement shooter which allows the Kings to continue utilizing a lot of that DHO action with Sabonis. Lastly, considering Markkanen isn’t ball dominant, I think it still allows room for Murray to grow offensively and become another good go-to scoring option for the Kings.

Defensively, I’d imagine he’s not worse than Barnes especially since he has much more size, is a much better rebounder, and is a better rim protector.

So with that in mind, what’s a trade that would make sense for both parties? I’d prefer to keep Fox, Monk (FA anyways), Ellis, Murray, and Sabonis out of trade discussions so that leaves the following players/picks to work with (assuming the Kings make the playoffs this year thus unlocking all of their future 1sts for trade again):

Harrison Barnes
Kevin Huerter
Trey Lyles
Sasha Vezenkov
Davion Mitchell
Chris Duarte
Colby Jones
2025 SAC 1st
2026 SAC 1st
2027 SAC 1st
2028 SAC 1st
2029 SAC 1st
2030 SAC 1st
2031 SAC 1st
2024 SAC 2nd
2025 POR 2nd
2025 SAC 2nd
2026 SAC 2nd
2027 SAC 2nd
2028 SAC 2nd
2029 SAC 2nd
2031 SAC 2nd

That’s a nothing burger, Murray needs to be in the deal.

Lmao best they’ll get is Mitchell and jones how incompetent do you have to be to trade Keegan for a non superstar that’s expiring

Takes something to get something or give Utah control over every pick you have until 31.

[jbk1234]

I like Lauri, but the idea that Philly should trade 5 firsts (going all the way out to 31), and swaps, for him, seems beyond reckless given Embiid"s age and knees. If I'm the owner, I'm not letting Morey do that.

[Godaddycurse]

I like Lauri, but the idea that Philly should trade 5 firsts (going all the way out to 31), and swaps, for him, seems beyond reckless given Embiid"s age and knees. If I'm the owner, I'm not letting Morey do that.

I would only do it if paul George is signing there too. A big 4 of george markannen embiid and maxey will be a heavy favourite imo