zeebneeb wrote:Snakebites wrote:zeebneeb wrote:I want to make sure we are speaking the same language here.
I am advocating trading;
Duren/Ivey/Asaur+pick for one player. Surely you agree that, that package, is going to be worth something. I honestly don't care if its;
Stewart/Duren/Ivey/Ausar+pick, FOR ONE GUY.
I am not speaking to separate trades. One. To get the guy next to Cade, and then fill the team out in free agency.
If thats what you meant, cool.
I was commenting in a very general sense about the general value of our overall assets, not advocating or decrying any specific course of action with respect to said assets.
Gotcha. Instead of evaluating each asset, im looking at them as one big product, that can used to land the one asset needed.
Micro/Macro.
Isaiah Hartenstein / Chimezie Metu - he is not a PF - (Alex Sarr) /
Tobias Harris (JI) / Simone Fontecchio (Matas Buzelis)/ Tosan Evbuomwan
(Bridges)(Lauri) / Ausar Thompson /
De'Anthony Melton / Quentin Grimes / Stanley Umude
Cade Cunningham / /
Jalen Duren - I was absolutely in love with him as prospect, high bbiq, phisical beast, high motor. This season destroyed everything. He developed a ton of bad habits, and showed me that he only care about his numbers, he was extremely selfish the 2nd half of the season, did a ton of dumb stuff, and stop putting any effort on defense. I know this was a lost season, but this is not the kind of player I particularly want around.
Isaiah Stewart - Chimezie Metu can provide most of what he does for 1/10 of the cost. FO sells him as the heart and soul of the team, I have no interest in keep a locker room leader that allow the team to quit on the coaching staff and have a 14 win season. He is a solid player, but easily replaceable and paid way too much.
Jaden Ivey - He is very bad at basketball, and his reaction when he was relegated to the bench, plus the team quitting on the coaching staff, plus the FO forcing him to start, caused him to continue to be clueless on defense, and develop a ton of bad habits on offense. He has no confidence left, and he clearly want the coaching staff gone. Too many red flags. He need to go asap.
Marcus Sasser - Talented but inconsistent player. No where near as good defensively as advertised, and again, very inconsistent on offense. He is a solid scorer off the bench, but Jaylen Nowell could provide the same thing for the minimum for example, there are a lot of other guys who could as well, given the opportunity. If he is worth even a couple of mid 2nds I'd let him go. If he is worth nothing, keep him as a 3rd stringer, he is cheap and doesn't seem to be a locker room distraction, he is a nice kid by all reports we got.
1st round pick - likely #5 but we could get luck. We don't need another rookie unless it's someone with potential to be our franchise player, which by all reports, we won't find in this draft, so, combine the pick with some or all of our expendable players and bring 1 quality starter. Trade the pick for future picks would also be an option for me.
Right now, we don't have options, but after the playoffs we could have a better idea. Right now an expiring Lauri Markkanen and an extremely overrated Mikal Bridges are the best options in the market, and they might not be available for our assets, and they're not worth our assets imo, Lauri because of his contract situation, Bridges because of Brooklyn's evaluation.
Ausar probably does not have a ton of value because of his lack of shooting and his health situation. I love the kid, his fighting spirit, his intensity, so I think it's worth trying to continue to develop him. I would not trade him. Ausar and Cade are untouchable for me.
Cade is no SGA/Embiid/Jokic/Luka level of player. We need talented guys around him and even a well built team around Cade might not be enough to accomplish something relevant, but we should at least give it a try imo.
I would sign
Isaiah Hartenstein - Good passer, solid FT shooter, excellent offensive rebounder, super efficient offensive player, although limited talent wise, but still an above average offensive player that fit what our Coach wants to do. He is a DPOY candidate, one of the best defenders in the league. NYK can't compete against us for his services (money wise), and they have Mitchell Robinson on a reasonable deal.
De'Anthony Melton - Injury plagued season, in a contract year, Philly will try to swing and retool around Jojo, so he should be cheap and very attainable. He is an above average 3 point shooter, above average passer, overall an inneficient but good offensive player (he does good things other than score), and he is a very good defender, not a lock down defender but very good in that side of the ball.
Tobias Harris - Solid pro, hard worker, mentally weak, but a nice and likeable guy. He is solid on both sides of the ball and have a lot of ties in Detroit, and is probably not in Philadelphia's future plans, so he is attainable.
If no permanent solution appear with our assets, draft someone or get future picks, and combine a few of those players and get Jonathan Isaac. He is a high risk, high reward kind of move. He is a defensive star, but he is super fragile, he had a relatively health season, but he was limited to a small role and 20 mpg and still missed a lot of games. A big overpay would need to be made to get him out of Orlando, and I don't care, I would gladly trade Ivey's potential and Stewart (to a 3rd team if needed) for Isaac.
FWIW I still like Quentin Grimes, I think he could become a prime Gary Harris type of player.
I also like Fontecchio, but while he is a good player, he is a bad defender, so he is an excellent bench player but not a starter imo. If he costs too much, I would let him walk, if he can be locked on a reasonable deal, I would love to bring him back.
Yes we will need to overpay. Money and talent (potential) to acquire real NBA players and build a team. Tobias contract is probably going to be ugly, and we're not going to get a star for our young players + pick. Cade is 99.99% going to be the best player on the roster next season.