(LOCK THREAD) The LeBron James- 23-24 NBA Thread - 40K POINTS+(Part 1)(NO INSULTING)

[rk2023]

Pels winning was most important.
Now Lakers need to win against Pels to give them 9th at minimum.

If Suns beat Kings then Lakers will be 8th if they beat Pels.

If Suns lose to Kings then Suns lose to Wolves then Lakers will be 8th.


So best of Suns won now but if they lose it's still possible for Lakers to get to 8th.

Lakers are locked into 7-8 if they win Sunday

[RRR3]

Pels winning was most important.
Now Lakers need to win against Pels to give them 9th at minimum.

If Suns beat Kings then Lakers will be 8th if they beat Pels.

If Suns lose to Kings then Suns lose to Wolves then Lakers will be 8th.


So best of Suns won now but if they lose it's still possible for Lakers to get to 8th.

Lakers are locked into 7-8 if they win Sunday

Locked into 8. But then there’s the playin.

[Mos_Heat]

AD and Lebron are healthier this time, but the team around them is poo poo. The only other guy who's gonna be at least playable is Reaves. Dlo is dying to disappear once again, Rui is match up depended, others guys just forget it. It's always cool to see Bron in high stakes games tho

[nzahir]

AD and Lebron are healthier this time, but the team around them is poo poo. The only other guy who's gonna be at least playable is Reaves. Dlo is dying to disappear once again, Rui is match up depended, others guys just forget it. It's always cool to see Bron in high stakes games tho

Is the team worse than last year?

Dlo is playing a bit better than last year, but this skid is a bit worrisome

Reaves hasn't been as good, but also getting less fts now that teams have scouted him more and the league isn't giving out fts as easily. But I do trust him come playoff time

Rui has been better, but he was also legit great last playoffs vs Den and Mem. Cant as him for much more

Taurean Prince>Lonnie

Schoreder>>This version of Vincent

Vando is out, which hurts, but hopefully he can make it back

I think Hayes and Gabriel are a wash, but Wood is the best of those guys (and Bamba, who missed the playoffs anyways).

I think a decent amount of our other guys depends on the health of guys like Vando, Vincent, and Wood

Christie and Dinwiddie give us more than TBJ/Beasley imo

So the surronding pieces aren't a ton different, but AD and Bron look healthier by a lot

We need to make this and somehow avoid Denver...

What really pisses me off is that Pelinka didn't push in some small chips at least

[Mos_Heat]

AD and Lebron are healthier this time, but the team around them is poo poo. The only other guy who's gonna be at least playable is Reaves. Dlo is dying to disappear once again, Rui is match up depended, others guys just forget it. It's always cool to see Bron in high stakes games tho

Is the team worse than last year?

Dlo is playing a bit better than last year, but this skid is a bit worrisome

Reaves hasn't been as good, but also getting less fts now that teams have scouted him more and the league isn't giving out fts as easily. But I do trust him come playoff time

Rui has been better, but he was also legit great last playoffs vs Den and Mem. Cant as him for much more

Taurean Prince>Lonnie

Schoreder>>This version of Vincent

Vando is out, which hurts, but hopefully he can make it back

I think Hayes and Gabriel are a wash, but Wood is the best of those guys (and Bamba, who missed the playoffs anyways).

I think a decent amount of our other guys depends on the health of guys like Vando, Vincent, and Wood

Christie and Dinwiddie give us more than TBJ/Beasley imo

So the surronding pieces aren't a ton different, but AD and Bron look healthier by a lot

We need to make this and somehow avoid Denver...

What really pisses me off is that Pelinka didn't push in some small chips at least

Last year's team had defense to fall back. This year if one of the starters sucks it's game over basically. Dennis for all his flaws was great at POA defense, if Vincent can get his legs back then maybe it won't look as bad as it is now

[nzahir]

AD and Lebron are healthier this time, but the team around them is poo poo. The only other guy who's gonna be at least playable is Reaves. Dlo is dying to disappear once again, Rui is match up depended, others guys just forget it. It's always cool to see Bron in high stakes games tho

Is the team worse than last year?

Dlo is playing a bit better than last year, but this skid is a bit worrisome

Reaves hasn't been as good, but also getting less fts now that teams have scouted him more and the league isn't giving out fts as easily. But I do trust him come playoff time

Rui has been better, but he was also legit great last playoffs vs Den and Mem. Cant as him for much more

Taurean Prince>Lonnie

Schoreder>>This version of Vincent

Vando is out, which hurts, but hopefully he can make it back

I think Hayes and Gabriel are a wash, but Wood is the best of those guys (and Bamba, who missed the playoffs anyways).

I think a decent amount of our other guys depends on the health of guys like Vando, Vincent, and Wood

Christie and Dinwiddie give us more than TBJ/Beasley imo

So the surronding pieces aren't a ton different, but AD and Bron look healthier by a lot

We need to make this and somehow avoid Denver...

What really pisses me off is that Pelinka didn't push in some small chips at least

Last year's team had defense to fall back. This year if one of the starters sucks it's game over basically. Dennis for all his flaws was great at POA defense, if Vincent can get his legs back then maybe it won't look as bad as it is now

Fair enough, but the core isn't much different

The offense was also a lot worse last year

Honestly think a lot has to do with Vando

Dennis was definitely a solid defender vs teams that didnt have larger guards, but hoping Vincent can do something similar. He also has more weight to him. The issue is Vincent doesnt get to the rim as easily as Dennis and his shooting has been ATROCIOUS. Gabe also has poor shot selection. Who does he think he is jacking up some of these bull shots? You are playing with guys like Bron, AD, Reaves, Dlo, and Rui. All are better offensive options than a contested 3

Reaves has also takena step back on defense

Lets see how the play in and post season (if we make it) goes before having more discussions on their offseason

[zimpy27]

AD and Lebron are healthier this time, but the team around them is poo poo. The only other guy who's gonna be at least playable is Reaves. Dlo is dying to disappear once again, Rui is match up depended, others guys just forget it. It's always cool to see Bron in high stakes games tho

Is the team worse than last year?

Dlo is playing a bit better than last year, but this skid is a bit worrisome

Reaves hasn't been as good, but also getting less fts now that teams have scouted him more and the league isn't giving out fts as easily. But I do trust him come playoff time

Rui has been better, but he was also legit great last playoffs vs Den and Mem. Cant as him for much more

Taurean Prince>Lonnie

Schoreder>>This version of Vincent

Vando is out, which hurts, but hopefully he can make it back

I think Hayes and Gabriel are a wash, but Wood is the best of those guys (and Bamba, who missed the playoffs anyways).

I think a decent amount of our other guys depends on the health of guys like Vando, Vincent, and Wood

Christie and Dinwiddie give us more than TBJ/Beasley imo

So the surronding pieces aren't a ton different, but AD and Bron look healthier by a lot

We need to make this and somehow avoid Denver...

What really pisses me off is that Pelinka didn't push in some small chips at least

Prince <<< Vando (he is out for playoffs)
Dinwiddie >> Schröder
Reddish+Vincent > Beasley+TBJ

I think Lakers will be much the same. Kills me than Vando out.

[homecourtloss]

Another season, another year LeBron leading his team in on-off per 100. This is now the 15–17th time he has done this,

Years LeBron led his team in On-Off per 100

2024 (2nd highest is 3.8 per 100 lower unless you count Dinwiddie, 1.1 lower)
2023 (virtual tie with Reaves or actually 2nd depending on source)
2021 (2nd highest was 7.2 per 100 lower)
2020 (2nd highest was 2.8 per 100 lower)
2019 (2nd highest was 4.6 per 100 lower)
2017 (2nd highest was 7.9 per 100 lower)
2016 (2nd highest was 7.8 per 100 lower)
2015 (2nd highest was 5.8 per 100 lower)
2014 2nd on team behind Bosh
2013 (2nd highest was 3.0 per 100 lower)
2012 (2nd highest was 4.4 per 100 lower)
2011 2nd on team behind Bosh
2010 (2nd highest was 3.9 per 100 lower)
2009 (2nd highest was 9.4 per 100 lower)
2008 (2nd highest was 4.3 per 100 lower)
2007 (2nd highest was 1.5 per 100 lower)
2006 (2nd highest was 3.2 per 100 lower or 7.9 lower depending on depending on minutes cutoff)
2005 (2nd highest was 3.4 per 100 lower)

[falcolombardi]

Another season, another year LeBron leading his team in on-off per 100. This is now the 17th time he has done this,

Years LeBron led his team in On-Off per 100

2024 (2nd highest is 3.8 per 100 lower unless you count Dinwiddie, 1.1 lower)
2023 (virtual tie with Reaves or actually 2nd depending on source)
2021 (2nd highest was 7.2 per 100 lower)
2020 (2nd highest was 2.8 per 100 lower)
2019 (2nd highest was 4.6 per 100 lower)
2017 (2nd highest was 7.9 per 100 lower)
2016 (2nd highest was 7.8 per 100 lower)
2015 (2nd highest was 5.8 per 100 lower)
2014 2nd on team behind Bosh
2013 (2nd highest was 3.0 per 100 lower)
2012 (2nd highest was 4.4 per 100 lower)
2011 2nd on team behind Bosh
2010 (2nd highest was 3.9 per 100 lower)
2009 (2nd highest was 9.4 per 100 lower)
2008 (2nd highest was 4.3 per 100 lower)
2007 (2nd highest was 1.5 per 100 lower)
2006 (2nd highest was 3.2 per 100 lower or 7.9 lower depending on depending on minutes cutoff)
2005 (2nd highest was 3.4 per 100 lower)

Have you ran this for other players?

Is really impressive how cleanly lebron presence correlatws with dominance even om teams thay struggle otherwise.

[homecourtloss]

Another season, another year LeBron leading his team in on-off per 100. This is now the 116 time he has done this,

Years LeBron led his team in On-Off per 100

2024 (2nd highest is 3.8 per 100 lower unless you count Dinwiddie, 1.1 lower)
2023 (virtual tie with Reaves or actually 2nd depending on source)
2021 (2nd highest was 7.2 per 100 lower)
2020 (2nd highest was 2.8 per 100 lower)
2019 (2nd highest was 4.6 per 100 lower)
2017 (2nd highest was 7.9 per 100 lower)
2016 (2nd highest was 7.8 per 100 lower)
2015 (2nd highest was 5.8 per 100 lower)
2014 2nd on team behind Bosh
2013 (2nd highest was 3.0 per 100 lower)
2012 (2nd highest was 4.4 per 100 lower)
2011 2nd on team behind Bosh
2010 (2nd highest was 3.9 per 100 lower)
2009 (2nd highest was 9.4 per 100 lower)
2008 (2nd highest was 4.3 per 100 lower)
2007 (2nd highest was 1.5 per 100 lower)
2006 (2nd highest was 3.2 per 100 lower or 7.9 lower depending on depending on minutes cutoff)
2005 (2nd highest was 3.4 per 100 lower)

Have you ran this for other players?

Is really impressive how cleanly lebron presence correlatws with dominance even om teams thay struggle otherwise.

It will be “easier” to score 40,000+ points than lead your team in on/off per 100 seventeen different seasons.

I haven’t ran for everyone, but here are some:

LeBron, 15 times (+ two other virtual ties)
Shaq, 10 times
KG, 8 times (3 other virtual ties)
Dirk, 8 times (1 other virtual tie, 2 close seconds)
CP3, 8 times
Kidd, 7 times (1 other virtual tie)
Nash, 6 times (2 other virtual ties)
Embiid, 6 times
Curry, 5 times (1 other virtual tie)
Duncan, 5 times (4 other virtual ties)
Tatum, 5 times
KD, 4 times (5 if you count injury season in Brooklyn, six if you count the combined seasons in 2023, 3 other virtual ties)
Manu, 4 times (5 if you include his injury season; 2 other virtual ties)
Wade, 4 times
Jokic, 4 times
Harden, 3 times (3 other virtual tie)

[zimpy27]

This is why KG is so highly rated on here.

[nzahir]

AD and Lebron are healthier this time, but the team around them is poo poo. The only other guy who's gonna be at least playable is Reaves. Dlo is dying to disappear once again, Rui is match up depended, others guys just forget it. It's always cool to see Bron in high stakes games tho

Is the team worse than last year?

Dlo is playing a bit better than last year, but this skid is a bit worrisome

Reaves hasn't been as good, but also getting less fts now that teams have scouted him more and the league isn't giving out fts as easily. But I do trust him come playoff time

Rui has been better, but he was also legit great last playoffs vs Den and Mem. Cant as him for much more

Taurean Prince>Lonnie

Schoreder>>This version of Vincent

Vando is out, which hurts, but hopefully he can make it back

I think Hayes and Gabriel are a wash, but Wood is the best of those guys (and Bamba, who missed the playoffs anyways).

I think a decent amount of our other guys depends on the health of guys like Vando, Vincent, and Wood

Christie and Dinwiddie give us more than TBJ/Beasley imo

So the surronding pieces aren't a ton different, but AD and Bron look healthier by a lot

We need to make this and somehow avoid Denver...

What really pisses me off is that Pelinka didn't push in some small chips at least

Prince <<< Vando (he is out for playoffs)
Dinwiddie >> Schröder
Reddish+Vincent > Beasley+TBJ

I think Lakers will be much the same. Kills me than Vando out.

You have Dinwiddie over Dennis??
Vando being out (for now at least) is a huge blow ofc. I thought he could make the 1st rd, but seems like he may be out. Lets see

Really need Wood back then

[The Master]

Vando being out (for now at least) is a huge blow ofc. I thought he could make the 1st rd, but seems like he may be out. Lets see

Really need Wood back then

Vanderbilt was unplayable against Warriors and Nuggets, his injuries are more a blow for regular season performance than for the playoffs. It's better to have him over Prince or Reddish overall, yeah, but he won't/wouldn't make a difference in the playoffs regardless.

I'd say Lakers are even roster-wise + healthy LeBron can give this year's Lakers an edge - but Western Conference is stronger as well, so it's a wash IMHO. If D'Lo perform well this time, I guess 2-4 against Nuggets and being dangerous for any other team but Celtics is like best-case scenario for this Lakers' team.

[zimpy27]

Is the team worse than last year?

Dlo is playing a bit better than last year, but this skid is a bit worrisome

Reaves hasn't been as good, but also getting less fts now that teams have scouted him more and the league isn't giving out fts as easily. But I do trust him come playoff time

Rui has been better, but he was also legit great last playoffs vs Den and Mem. Cant as him for much more

Taurean Prince>Lonnie

Schoreder>>This version of Vincent

Vando is out, which hurts, but hopefully he can make it back

I think Hayes and Gabriel are a wash, but Wood is the best of those guys (and Bamba, who missed the playoffs anyways).

I think a decent amount of our other guys depends on the health of guys like Vando, Vincent, and Wood

Christie and Dinwiddie give us more than TBJ/Beasley imo

So the surronding pieces aren't a ton different, but AD and Bron look healthier by a lot

We need to make this and somehow avoid Denver...

What really pisses me off is that Pelinka didn't push in some small chips at least

Prince <<< Vando (he is out for playoffs)
Dinwiddie >> Schröder
Reddish+Vincent > Beasley+TBJ

I think Lakers will be much the same. Kills me than Vando out.

You have Dinwiddie over Dennis??
Vando being out (for now at least) is a huge blow ofc. I thought he could make the 1st rd, but seems like he may be out. Lets see

Really need Wood back then

Yeah absolutely. I think Dinwiddie has been impressive. Second best +/- on Lakers and has 3rd best LEBRON after LeBron and Davis.

58% TS and has been best perimeter defender. Hasn't had much playmaking duties but he could take over if DLo is a playoff bust again.

[zimpy27]

Vando being out (for now at least) is a huge blow ofc. I thought he could make the 1st rd, but seems like he may be out. Lets see

Really need Wood back then

Vanderbilt was unplayable against Warriors and Nuggets, his injuries are more a blow for regular season performance than for the playoffs. It's better to have him over Prince or Reddish overall, yeah, but he won't/wouldn't make a difference in the playoffs regardless.

I'd say Lakers are even roster-wise + healthy LeBron can give this year's Lakers an edge - but Western Conference is stronger as well, so it's a wash IMHO. If D'Lo perform well this time, I guess 2-4 against Nuggets and being dangerous for any other team but Celtics is like best-case scenario for this Lakers' team.

Vando locked Curry down in game 1 and 2. He then hyperextended his knee badly in second half of game 2. That injury reduced his speed and impact, he shouldn't have even played on it but he was used sparingly the rest of the playoffs.

Healthy Vando makes the Nuggets series very different. Lakers had no guy with size to hang with Murray and he killed them. Vando was the answer but wasn't healthy.

[nzahir]

Vando being out (for now at least) is a huge blow ofc. I thought he could make the 1st rd, but seems like he may be out. Lets see

Really need Wood back then

Vanderbilt was unplayable against Warriors and Nuggets, his injuries are more a blow for regular season performance than for the playoffs. It's better to have him over Prince or Reddish overall, yeah, but he won't/wouldn't make a difference in the playoffs regardless.

I'd say Lakers are even roster-wise + healthy LeBron can give this year's Lakers an edge - but Western Conference is stronger as well, so it's a wash IMHO. If D'Lo perform well this time, I guess 2-4 against Nuggets and being dangerous for any other team but Celtics is like best-case scenario for this Lakers' team.

Vando locked Curry down in game 1 and 2. He then hyperextended his knee badly in second half of game 2. That injury reduced his speed and impact, he shouldn't have even played on it but he was used sparingly the rest of the playoffs.

Healthy Vando makes the Nuggets series very different. Lakers had no guy with size to hang with Murray and he killed them. Vando was the answer but wasn't healthy.

The issue is Vando is such a non threat on offense

But he was actually showing some solid signs the last few weeks prior to going down again

Vando isn't great at getting through screens sadly, but pretty damn good at everything else on defense and I like how disruptive he is

Biggest game of the year so far basicaly in 10.5 hours

We better be ready and have energy

[Slava]

We will sooner than later start going Davis-Lebron-Rui-Reaves-Vincent to close out games if we get in the playoffs. That’s a lineup I’m confident about going against anyone but Denver. It gives the bench a decent chance with three out of Russell, Hayes, Vando and Dinwiddie to close out the 8 man rotation.

[Jurassic_Park]

Looks like lakers vs nwo for 7 seed. Winner faces denver. Yikes

[rk2023]

How fitting is it Bron reached 11k assists in a make or break game where he has 13 assists in a half , and is shredding the Pelicans apart?

[IG2]

I didn't have any faith in DLo having a good shooting game in any of these important games, but he's come through in this game so far. Lakers look different when he makes his shots.