Jazz express no interest in tanking, signing big players in FA, trading for older vets, trading for overpaid guys

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Jazz express no interest in tanking, signing big players in FA, trading for older vets, trading for overpaid guys 

Post#1 » by HadAnEffectHere » Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:28 pm

The Jazz once again said their plan is to become a title team by waiting for young players or players in their prime to demand trades and then trade for those guys which is.... A very bad plan for a destination as unappealing as Utah, but we'll see.

“If you study the free agent trends — and this is not unique to the Jazz, this is every other team that’s not on a coast — that the actual depth and quality of the free agents is not great, and it’s not going to get any better,” Zanik said. “That doesn’t mean it’s completely out, but it’s just not going to be a main driver of how you build teams. The main driver of how you’re building teams is developing your players and adding by trade.

“We’re in a more unique position than some other teams that are faced with the same free agent list that we’re looking at,” he continued. “Not only just the flexibility we have but just the multiple assets we have to deal.”

The Jazz have several additional future first-round picks from Minnesota and Cleveland due to the Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell trades, Larsen notes. Zanik made clear Utah is looking to add star players who may find themselves at odds with their current teams in the future.

“We’ve talked before about trying to predict the NBA drama that happens,” Zanik said. “You just sit there and wait for it to come, but we’re ready.”


“Lauri’s a hugely important piece for us now and going forward,” Zanik said. “I don’t want to waste any years of that, but you also have to do it within the timeline. We’re not trying to say, ‘Hey, Lauri, we’ll make you happy because you’ve never made the playoffs, so we’re going to burn all our picks and get some marginal improvement from an overpaid player so that maybe we’ll be a seven seed.’ Our goal is to make the playoffs and then grow from there


According to Larsen, Zanik thinks there’s too much talent on the current roster for that [tanking] to be feasible, and he also thinks it’s unnecessary.


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https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/04/jazz-notes-zanik-future-markkanen-hardy-lofton.html

Definitely kills my "Jerami Grant for John Collins and a pick" idea.

Overall, I don't... really understand anything they're doing here. The Jazz are wildly less appealing than their small market peers in OKC and SAS (as those teams have championship caliber #1s) and are obviously a no go for any player wanting a bigger market.
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Post#2 » by mg » Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:42 pm

Even with the Donovan/Gobert picks the Jazz are in a tough spot and will be dealing with the likes of OKC and San Antonio who are stocked with young superstars and their own warchest of picks. I'm not sure how Utah is going to compete with them long term unless they luck out and land their own superstar out of the draft in the next few years. Even if a superstar demands out of their current team I don't see Utah being on any list. OKC still has enough picks to likely outbid Utah for a star.

Of course maybe Zanik needs to say these things to appease someone like Lauri who will need to be extended and has never even been to the playoffs.

The fans in Utah are already upset about them tanking after the deadline for 2 straight years. Wishful thinking but maybe the hockey team can distract them while the Jazz finally tank right and are awful for an entire season "earning" the #1 pick for the first time in their existence. This typically hasn't been Ainge's mode of operation but he's not in Boston anymore and those Cle/Min picks are likely not going to end up being the Brooklyn picks again.
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Post#3 » by jazzfan1971 » Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:51 pm

Overall, I don't... really understand anything they're doing here.


I believe they are simply in asset accumulation mode. But, they are being flexible with it. If they can improve the asset base by trading a player they will. If they can improve the asset base by trading for a player they will. If they can improve the asset base by signing a player they will.

The idea being to fill the cupboard with assets so that if a star does become available the Jazz will have the opportunity to make a run at that player. And if that run fails, if the Jazz assets were not as good as some other team, just keep building, and wait for the next opportunity.

All the while you are developing the assets you already have acquired. Trying to build value from within.

Much of the process is opportunistic. You have to wait for the right offer. And sometimes things just don't work out. Because a lot of it is not an exact science. It's more like evaluating risks and potentials.

I think this is what has a lot of people confused. It's not so much about executing a plan, as waiting for opportunities. And those opportunities can come in forms that seem contradictory. But, if you view them as building an asset base I think they generally make sense.
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Post#4 » by HadAnEffectHere » Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:52 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:
Overall, I don't... really understand anything they're doing here.


I believe they are simply in asset accumulation mode. But, they are being flexible with it. If they can improve the asset base by trading a player they will. If they can improve the asset base by trading for a player they will. If they can improve the asset base by signing a player they will.

The idea being to fill the cupboard with assets so that if a star does become available the Jazz will have the opportunity to make a run at that player. And if that run fails, if the Jazz assets were not as good as some other team, just keep building, and wait for the next opportunity.

All the while you are developing the assets you already have acquired. Trying to build value from within.

Much of the process is opportunistic. You have to wait for the right offer. And sometimes things just don't work out. Because a lot of it is not an exact science. It's more like evaluating risks and potentials.

I think this is what has a lot of people confused. It's not so much about executing a plan, as waiting for opportunities. And those opportunities can come in forms that seem contradictory. But, if you view them as building an asset base I think they generally make sense.


But there are no potential opportunities as the Jazz are an extremely unappealing situation.

Name any good player in their 20s who may not want to play with their team and would rather play in Utah than OKC or SAS or a big market.
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Post#5 » by Colbinii » Sun Apr 14, 2024 2:13 pm

Too many Jazz threads. Maybe converge this one with the previous thread on this page or into the General T&T thread?

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Post#6 » by ChettheJet » Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:02 pm

I would say that it's not a bad plan, it can work, it has worked, but like any other plan it has its' limitations. If it doesn't succeed some of the players can start to pint fingers at the guys they think are holding it back or the management for not making that move that gets them over the top or the coach for not being good enough.

With who the Jazz have now I think they should limit their draft to one high pick per year, move their later picks for future picks and look at what veteran is out there who could put them a step or two higher. I'd be moving on from Collins and Sexton who have never shown they were the answer to a team moving deep in the playoffs. Maybe not quickly or at the same time but look for the right time to move them. Build around Markkanen, Clarkson, THT, Kessler, George. One high pick one mid range FA each of the next 2 years and see where they stand
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Post#7 » by NYG » Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:05 pm

John Collins and Jordan Clarkson for Kevin Huerter, Harrison Barnes, Davion Mitchell and 2025 Trail Blazers 2nd

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