Bobby Webster speaks about the core/future

[rapluva]

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5 year supermax it is

He was a disappointment.. got the minutes but didn’t perform.. enough of experiments.. get some decent shooters on the team that can play a little defence..

The NBA is forcing scoring.. the rules hep the offensive players..we keep going after players that will defend but can't hit an open shot..

Hopefully Koloko can make a return with a clean bill of health..

Starters are looking good..

IQ
Trent or someone via trade/free agent signing
RJB
SB
Poetel

Dick
Olynyk
Agbaji
Temple
Draft pick
Draft pick
Backup point
Backup center
Backup power Forward

Fill in the blanks with offe sive players

[bballsparkin]

I think sometimes it can take a full season just to install the offense, especially one predicated on making quick decisions with lots of ball and player movement. We might see a better defensive product in year 2.

Agreed, especially when retaining a top 6 pick is also on the table.

[rapluva]

While I don’t like the trade, this is disingenuous.

They knew they were resigning him. So they traded it for 4 1/2 years of poeltl.

We still got fleeced. Siakam is the superior player in a similar situation and we got a worst FRP back.

Siakam was/is looking for a max contract starting on the wrong side of 30.

Fans have to accept Siakam didn’t have significant trade value. The reality is more goes into trade value than a player’s ability or stats.

Getting no long term salary and draft capital in exchange for him was as good as it was going to get.

I'd rather rake one frp and a young talent from Indiana for Pascal.. what we got for Pascal is a joke.. and Bruce Brown can only get us another Frp or srp.

[SpezNc]

Dennis and McDaniels were supposed to be the saviours that made Fred bolting for nothing okay. Hope they learned their lesson. Looks like they did moving OG and Siakam before even the trade deadline

Absolutely no one believed Dennis and McDaniels were the saviors. The Rockets were our saviors for giving out that ridiculous contract and taking FVV off our hands. Masai would've paid FVV 35M+ and we would've had a repeat of last season. At least this season it forced Masai's hand to choose a direction.

We need to trade Siakam for AJ Griffen before it's too late! - PhilBlackson

I don’t know bro. There was a lot of hype for Dennis coming off team Germany and a many believed McD was a solid signing. I basically said Dennis should be okay but McD was likely a journeyman we had no idea if he could even play.

Being an intriguing rotation piece/ solid signing does not equal being a saviour

[SpezNc]

While I don’t like the trade, this is disingenuous.

They knew they were resigning him. So they traded it for 4 1/2 years of poeltl.

and one might as well stop supporting the team if that person actually thought a team would go from 48-34 to 41-41(27-14@home/improvement) despite lockerroom problems, injuries&w/out a much needed center for most of it ....To 25-57 (14-27@home) including a 12-19 with 2 All-Stars and DPOY which is unheard of: A team performing so badly with 2 All-Stars and a DPOY.

That pick we traded for Jakob was supposed to be a ~20th pick which was more than fair for a talented&mobile center entering his prime years with no-major injuries(yet)on his body.

Though injuries derailed our play-in push, Players wise, we are in a great position. For FO's sake, I would have preferred seeing IQ in a pressurized situation (again) before handing him a 25+M/per contract.

The pick should have always been lotto-protected, or even top-10 protected. Pop clearly saw that the team was trending downwards and pushed for lighter protections.

Toronto’s record was very bad at the time of the trade. San Antonio didn’t want a pick that may never convey. Toronto was confident that with Poeltl that the team would be better and they would give a mid 1st round in the bad draft.

The scenario didn’t unfold as expected . I never liked the trade and never will. They went the opposite way I would have gone. But there was a rational to go the way they did.

[TheRaptor!]

We're going to get the 4th pick, book it

The bigger the expectation the harder you will hit the ground the moment spurs gets our pick.

I firmly believe the draft is rigged

The NBA WANTS us to be a good team as we are representing a whole country and we do have a lot of fans

We WILL get a lottery pick this year. Book it

[Kingsway_fan]

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5 year supermax it is

He was a disappointment.. got the minutes but didn’t perform.. enough of experiments.. get some decent shooters on the team that can play a little defence..

The NBA is forcing scoring.. the rules hep the offensive players..we keep going after players that will defend but can't hit an open shot..

Hopefully Koloko can make a return with a clean bill of health..

Starters are looking good..

IQ
Trent or someone via trade/free agent signing
RJB
SB
Poetel

Dick
Olynyk
Agbaji
Temple
Draft pick
Draft pick
Backup point
Backup center
Backup power Forward

Fill in the blanks with offe sive players

Starters looking good? Lol

Four are Starters... Trent is garbage and likely gone.
If you slot Dick as SG Starter, you have TWO legit bench guy in Olynik....and Boucher. That it.

No bench once again ... this smells lottery big time next year....

[Duffman100]

lol. Ignore the Spurs the last 6 years, focus on what they did before.

But don’t ignore the Raptors the last 5 years and what they did before was irrelevant.


Celebrate the Spurs for having Wemby but don’t wait to see if they actually win anything. They have Wemby (A+) and Vassel (B). That’s it. Let’s give it time.

[Los_29]

Good FO vs great FO on display. It's pathetic when another FO can better predict your teams trajectory than your own.

Spurs have really been dominating the past 6 years.

Real interesting you decided on exactly 6 years.

It's almost like it's a bad faith argument, almost like that was the end of 20 years straight of making deep playoff runs, and 5 championships.

The Spurs objectively, by every measurement, have and always have had a much better FO than us. This isn't even up for debate, they arguably have one of the best FOs in pro sports. Your constant defence of this FO is impressive, if not braindead.

Ugh wow, really doesn’t take much for you to start hurling childish insults. Summer is approaching so hopefully that can elevate your mood.

Honestly, I am also getting extremely worried about your lack of reading comprehension.

Spurs had an incredible run. But that was a long time ago. They have not been a great FO for the past 6 years. Duncan fell in their laps and then they did an incredible job of finding guys like Manu and Parker later in the draft. Kawhi was a huge get that helped extend their run. Over the past decade though, we have more wins and have been better at drafting and developing talent.

But yes, the Spurs did a better job during a period in which Masai was just a scout and not running a team.

[DG88]

lol. Ignore the Spurs the last 6 years, focus on what they did before.

But don’t ignore the Raptors the last 5 years and what they did before was irrelevant.


Celebrate the Spurs for having Wemby but don’t wait to see if they actually win anything. They have Wemby (A+) and Vassel (B). That’s it. Let’s give it time.

What's interesting is that after the Spurs traded Kawhi to us they still tried to stay competitive and made pushes for the Playoffs and the Play-In. Yet they realized that it was a fruitless exercise and then bottomed out. We're doing the exact same thing. FO realized that the competitive team they were fielding wasn't going anywhere and to get anything back for them they made the trades they did. Now the only thing our FO did that was shortsighted was giving up a lot of draft capital and pick control for a floor raising C in Poeltl. Now we were able to get some back in the trades this year. I still think we will try for the Play-In but probably will end with a similar record to the Nets this year. A low 30s winning team with another lottery pick coming in 2025 in a better draft.

[DonDoolie]

Took the spurs 2 years after trading Kawhi to know they weren't going anywhere and then gutting their team to get high draft picks. They never trade their picks for quick fixes and shot sighted moves to keep a treadmill going. Now compare that to this FO who took 5 years to see the writing on the wall but during that process they traded first round picks like they were handing out candy. Thats the difference between S tier FO and an average FO.

Like in what world do you give up a first round pick for thad young who was glued to our bench. In what world do you put only a top 6 protection on a pick for JAKOB **** POELTL.

[Duffman100]

Took the spurs 2 years after trading Kawhi to know they weren't going anywhere and then gutting their team to get high draft picks. They never trade their picks for quick fixes and shot sighted moves to keep a treadmill going. Now compare that to this FO who took 5 years to see the writing on the wall but during that process they traded first round picks like they were handing out candy. Thats the difference between S tier FO and an average FO.

Like in what world do you give up a first round pick for thad young who was glued to our bench. In what world do you put only a top 6 protection on a pick for JAKOB **** POELTL.

3 years.

and for all that, they still really only have Wemby (amazing) and Vassell (good). Other than that, nobody on that team is good at all and will be around for anything of consequence.\

We need to stop fawning over teams who truly get incredibly lucky and act as if they're geniuses.

[aminiaturebuddha]

Took the spurs 2 years after trading Kawhi to know they weren't going anywhere and then gutting their team to get high draft picks. They never trade their picks for quick fixes and shot sighted moves to keep a treadmill going. Now compare that to this FO who took 5 years to see the writing on the wall but during that process they traded first round picks like they were handing out candy. Thats the difference between S tier FO and an average FO.

Like in what world do you give up a first round pick for thad young who was glued to our bench. In what world do you put only a top 6 protection on a pick for JAKOB **** POELTL.

3 years.

and for all that, they still really only have Wemby (amazing) and Vassell (good). Other than that, nobody on that team is good at all and will be around for anything of consequence.\

We need to stop fawning over teams who truly get incredibly lucky and act as if they're geniuses.

Exactly. The Spurs had an 86% chance of ending up with someone other than Wemby last year. How would their team and future look right now if they had the Pistons lottery luck and you replace Wemby with someone like Ausar Thompson on that roster?

[PushDaRock]

This Spurs worship is interesting, they just finished 5 years in a row under .500. If they didn't get Wemby, what would they have had to show for all that? Basically nothing and everyone would say their FO has lost their touch. Luck basically changes narratives around.

[Duffman100]

This Spurs worship is interesting, they just finished 5 years in a row under .500. If they didn't get Wemby, what would they have had to show for all that? Basically nothing and everyone would say their FO has lost their touch. Luck basically changes narratives around.

The same people singing their praises would have lost their minds at the Kawhi trade, hated the 'treadmill' of the Derozan years and would have been demanding a change in FO up until getting Wemby. The Spurs legacy before wouldn't have mattered and we should only focused on the last few years.

[DonDoolie]

Took the spurs 2 years after trading Kawhi to know they weren't going anywhere and then gutting their team to get high draft picks. They never trade their picks for quick fixes and shot sighted moves to keep a treadmill going. Now compare that to this FO who took 5 years to see the writing on the wall but during that process they traded first round picks like they were handing out candy. Thats the difference between S tier FO and an average FO.

Like in what world do you give up a first round pick for thad young who was glued to our bench. In what world do you put only a top 6 protection on a pick for JAKOB **** POELTL.

3 years.

and for all that, they still really only have Wemby (amazing) and Vassell (good). Other than that, nobody on that team is good at all and will be around for anything of consequence.\

We need to stop fawning over teams who truly get incredibly lucky and act as if they're geniuses.

You could literally say the same thing about us lucking into Barnes. If we didn't have Barnes this team would be an even bigger dumpster than it already is.

The facts are that we traded first round picks for a mediocre C and a washed up end of the bench player while the spurs kept their picks and got young talent. You forget Keldon Jonhson, Tre Jones and Sohan who are all better young players than what we have outside IQ , Barnes and Barrett. They still have potential 2 top 8 picks this year and tons of cap space to build around a generational superstar talent.

literally no comparison between the two franchises when one side can read the room quickly and make moves while the other side is sitting on their asses hoping that a Poeltl saves the future.

[ArthurVandelay]

We still got fleeced. Siakam is the superior player in a similar situation and we got a worst FRP back.

Siakam was/is looking for a max contract starting on the wrong side of 30.

Fans have to accept Siakam didn’t have significant trade value. The reality is more goes into trade value than a player’s ability or stats.

Getting no long term salary and draft capital in exchange for him was as good as it was going to get.

I'd rather rake one frp and a young talent from Indiana for Pascal.. what we got for Pascal is a joke.. and Bruce Brown can only get us another Frp or srp.

I get that. But what if the offer wasn't on the table? I feel many Raptor fans are upset about what his market was. I don't think there was a better return on the table, both last year and this year. Sad, but true.

[Duffman100]

Took the spurs 2 years after trading Kawhi to know they weren't going anywhere and then gutting their team to get high draft picks. They never trade their picks for quick fixes and shot sighted moves to keep a treadmill going. Now compare that to this FO who took 5 years to see the writing on the wall but during that process they traded first round picks like they were handing out candy. Thats the difference between S tier FO and an average FO.

Like in what world do you give up a first round pick for thad young who was glued to our bench. In what world do you put only a top 6 protection on a pick for JAKOB **** POELTL.

3 years.

and for all that, they still really only have Wemby (amazing) and Vassell (good). Other than that, nobody on that team is good at all and will be around for anything of consequence.\

We need to stop fawning over teams who truly get incredibly lucky and act as if they're geniuses.

You could literally say the same thing about us lucking into Barnes. If we didn't have Barnes this team would be an even bigger dumpster than it already is.

The facts are that we traded first round picks for a mediocre C and a washed up end of the bench player while the spurs kept their picks and got young talent. You forget Keldon Jonhson, Tre Jones and Sohan who are all better young players than what we have outside IQ , Barnes and Barrett. They still have potential 2 top 8 picks this year and tons of cap space to build around a generational superstar talent.

literally no comparison between the two franchises when one side can read the room quickly and make moves while the other side is sitting on their asses hoping that a Poeltl saves the future.

Keldon Johnson is an empty calories scorer who will be jettisoned from that team in the near future.
Sochan is a James Johnson type versatile player who is far from any sort of real thing. And is not a better projected player than Dick.
Tre Jone is 'okay' but nothing special.

Wemby and Vassell are the only two prospects of note on that team. Plain and simple.

[DonDoolie]

3 years.

and for all that, they still really only have Wemby (amazing) and Vassell (good). Other than that, nobody on that team is good at all and will be around for anything of consequence.\

We need to stop fawning over teams who truly get incredibly lucky and act as if they're geniuses.

You could literally say the same thing about us lucking into Barnes. If we didn't have Barnes this team would be an even bigger dumpster than it already is.

The facts are that we traded first round picks for a mediocre C and a washed up end of the bench player while the spurs kept their picks and got young talent. You forget Keldon Jonhson, Tre Jones and Sohan who are all better young players than what we have outside IQ , Barnes and Barrett. They still have potential 2 top 8 picks this year and tons of cap space to build around a generational superstar talent.

literally no comparison between the two franchises when one side can read the room quickly and make moves while the other side is sitting on their asses hoping that a Poeltl saves the future.

Keldon Johnson is an empty calories scorer who will be jettisoned from that team in the near future.
Sochan is a James Johnson type versatile player who is far from any sort of real thing. And is not a better projected player than Dick.
Tre Jone is 'okay' but nothing special.

Wemby and Vassell are the only two prospects of note on that team. Plain and simple.

Sohan is 20 years old. aren't you the same guy that keeps defending players based on their age yet here you are writing off sohan because it doesn't fit your agenda dude is the same age as dick and is a better player. Keldon johnson is a hooper you have no idea what you are talking about he just has injury issues thats it.

[Duffman100]

You could literally say the same thing about us lucking into Barnes. If we didn't have Barnes this team would be an even bigger dumpster than it already is.

The facts are that we traded first round picks for a mediocre C and a washed up end of the bench player while the spurs kept their picks and got young talent. You forget Keldon Jonhson, Tre Jones and Sohan who are all better young players than what we have outside IQ , Barnes and Barrett. They still have potential 2 top 8 picks this year and tons of cap space to build around a generational superstar talent.

literally no comparison between the two franchises when one side can read the room quickly and make moves while the other side is sitting on their asses hoping that a Poeltl saves the future.

Keldon Johnson is an empty calories scorer who will be jettisoned from that team in the near future.
Sochan is a James Johnson type versatile player who is far from any sort of real thing. And is not a better projected player than Dick.
Tre Jone is 'okay' but nothing special.

Wemby and Vassell are the only two prospects of note on that team. Plain and simple.

Sohan is 20 years old. aren't you the same guy that keeps defending players based on their age yet here you are writing off sohan because it doesn't fit your agenda dude is the same age as dick and is a better player. Keldon johnson is a hooper you have no idea what you are talking about he just has injury issues thats it.

I didn't write Sochan off, I said he doesn't project better than dick and is far from the 'real thing'. Using him as a 'look at their prospect stash' is weird.

Keldon Johnson has been a net negative at all times on the court and can't shoot the 3. He'll be 25 next season.