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Waylanderz wrote:Let's erase the tapes!
Duffman100 wrote:HumbleRen wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
I think they we're playing it as it came. But when they started seeing how we were trending, we definitely tanked.
You don't think these guys could have come back if we were fighting for a play-in spot? I'm sure both Poeltl and Barnes were totally playable for the last little while.
Poeltl had finger surgery at the end of the first week of March, let’s say the recovery window is 3-4 weeks. His return at the earliest would be the last week of March.
Scottie’s injury is a 4-6 week recovery window. At the earliest he would have came back for the last week of March as well.
There was no chance of them making the play in by the time they would have came back. Especially considering RJ and IQ missing some games due to loved ones passing away.
Definitely circumstantial tanking in my opinion compared to the full out tank during the Tampa season.
and yet, both terms have 'tanking' in them.
C_Money wrote:I’m all for the rebuild but at the same time I don’t want to sit through another season like this.
OAKLEY_2 wrote:SharoneWright wrote:In the future, people may not ever remember that this team was actually trying to win games until the trade deadline. This was a bad team that got worse and is still hamstrung by a preposterous trade. It’s a long road ahead.
Which preposterous trade? If there was no tanking potion called the lotto the preposterous trade you might be referring to would already be a moot point. It is so NBA to use a gambling gimmick to further hurt markets that can never sign tier 1 free agents. It started with denying us the number 1 pick coming into the league, then the matter of refs continual harrassment and subsequent league fines or the espn national round table of shame and disinterest and this year two investigations including a civil lawsuit from someone who lawyers up to go the bathroom and now the league leaking investigation into a 10 day contractor we had just signed to a regular deal for gambling allegations. The reality is some just plain devalue Poetl as man of less conventional talents. For all we know the FO was hoping the Poetl acquisition might get Paskal to sign an extension. He, Fred and others knew they were hitting the open market long before it happened. The NBA open market architecture ensures teams outside the preferred status arrangement get put in their place. I do not begrudge the FO trying to use Poetl to get a home discount on Paskal. That the tactic failed is the real issue and the why it must tried in the first place.
PushDaRock wrote:We really went out with a whimper, still on page 1
Duffman100 wrote:HumbleRen wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
We didn't tank? We sat our entire starting lineup (mostly) for like the last 25-30 games of the season.
We tanked because of the circumstances but I don't think they had intentions to tank once the trades happened, I don't believe they value the 2024 pick to that extent.
Scottie with a broken finger, Poeltl with a serious ankle sprain, RJ had a knee sprain to manage on top of his brother passing away. IQ dealing with a family member passing too.
I think there was more legit reasons why they sat out rather than not.
I think they we're playing it as it came. But when they started seeing how we were trending, we definitely tanked.
You don't think these guys could have come back if we were fighting for a play-in spot? I'm sure both Poeltl and Barnes were totally playable for the last little while.
DG88 wrote:I don't think we'll be this bad next season. Injuries and the two trades essentially forced us to tank. With better health and another offseason of growth from the main core of players we should improve. Now that level of improvement probably won't take us out of lottery if we're honest here. The level of talent and competency of the top 6 teams is much higher than our current team.
I think we fight for a Play-In spot but come out short and win low 30s worth of games. Get another top 10 pick to round out the talent.
WaltFrazier wrote:Scottie won ROY largely because he came to a competitive team with some very good vets, compared to the teams his draft classmates came to. He had that playoff experience, then a play-in. IQ and RJ came from a pretty competitive team that had a decent playoff run a year ago beating the Cavs and going 6 with Miami.
Having tasted that, and if they are the competitors fans would hope they are, then the prospect of a whole season of losing would have to be very discouraging for them. I can't see the front office not trying to win next year for this reason alone, along with what MLSE would want. The team with the right additions this summer and decent health will be too good to be like Detroit, Washington, Portland this year. Not sure how good but play -in level or fighting for that. Any tank that happens will only be a late pivot after the deadline, based on injuries, like this season. Which may mean a treadmill type scenario, but I can't see any full bottoming out tank happening.
Chuck Everett wrote:C_Money wrote:I’m all for the rebuild but at the same time I don’t want to sit through another season like this.
So you expect to keep rebuilding but make the play-in?
2019nbachamps wrote:We were the 7th worst team in the league before our trades and injuries. But ok, let’s convince ourselves we tanked to make ourselves feel better.
2019nbachamps wrote:We were the 7th worst team in the league before our trades and injuries. But ok, let’s convince ourselves we tanked to make ourselves feel better.
2019nbachamps wrote:We were the 7th worst team in the league before our trades and injuries. But ok, let’s convince ourselves we tanked to make ourselves feel better.
mtcan wrote:2019nbachamps wrote:We were the 7th worst team in the league before our trades and injuries. But ok, let’s convince ourselves we tanked to make ourselves feel better.
We started the season with a core based around Scottie, Pascal and OG. Darko had a mandate to play Malachi Flynn and Precious Achiuwa actual NBA rotation minutes. Malachi shall never play more than 0 to 4 minutes a game in the NBA on an actual team. Pistons don't count...lol.
The OG trade shook the foundation of the team. That happened in late December but really more like January. Pascal was traded late January. That's a huge change. So the team was already having to change from an offence designed around Scottie, Pascal and OG to that of Scottie, RJ and Quick. Then came the trade deadline and in comes Ochai and Kelly.
So here we are having to integrate RJ, Quick, Bruce Brown (and everyone including Bruce thought he'd be gone at the deadline so he had one foot out the door), Nwora, Ochai and Kelly. 6 new guys in...that's a **** ton of change. Then Scottie and Jak get injured 3 weeks after the trade deadline.
There was NO point in time this season when you had any sense of stability...even at the start of the season when people were still wondering what we would do with OG and Pascal.
But ya...sure keep pointing at a record for a team that is obviously in flux all season long.
Give this current roster a full season before judging it properly.
OAKLEY_2 wrote:SharoneWright wrote:In the future, people may not ever remember that this team was actually trying to win games until the trade deadline. This was a bad team that got worse and is still hamstrung by a preposterous trade. It’s a long road ahead.
Which preposterous trade? If there was no tanking potion called the lotto the preposterous trade you might be referring to would already be a moot point. It is so NBA to use a gambling gimmick to further hurt markets that can never sign tier 1 free agents. It started with denying us the number 1 pick coming into the league, then the matter of refs continual harrassment and subsequent league fines or the espn national round table of shame and disinterest and this year two investigations including a civil lawsuit from someone who lawyers up to go the bathroom and now the league leaking investigation into a 10 day contractor we had just signed to a regular deal for gambling allegations. The reality is some just plain devalue Poetl as man of less conventional talents. For all we know the FO was hoping the Poetl acquisition might get Paskal to sign an extension. He, Fred and others knew they were hitting the open market long before it happened. The NBA open market architecture ensures teams outside the preferred status arrangement get put in their place. I do not begrudge the FO trying to use Poetl to get a home discount on Paskal. That the tactic failed is the real issue and the why it must tried in the first place.
mtcan wrote:Give this current roster a full season before judging it properly.