esvl wrote:As a Griz fan, I am curios in what area he managed to develop his skills to justify this kind of contract. He was a defensive liability at his time at Memphis.
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esvl wrote:As a Griz fan, I am curios in what area he managed to develop his skills to justify this kind of contract. He was a defensive liability at his time at Memphis.
HadAnEffectHere wrote:kobe_vs_jordan wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:
It is now impossible for the Suns to sign any players above the league minimum and the only players they can trade with positive value are Booker and Durant.
Do they need more than vet man players? Fill the rosters with ring chasers.
No player would ever ring chase with the Suns instead of the Celtics or Thunder or Nuggets.
Colbinii wrote:The-Power wrote:Crives wrote:I think he really liked his role in phx, lots of quotes with small jabs at how Milwaukee only let him catch and shoot
That's odd considering that it's demonstrably false but Allen and PHX is a good fit nevertheless and it's a solid deal for both (keep in mind Allen's relatively low career-earnings), so that's great.
I was expecting some massive difference after reading Crives post.
AST%: 10.9 > 12.1
TOV%: 10.3 > 11.3
2P Assisted%: 60.6 > 57.0
3P Assisted%: 88.4 > 91.2
FTR: 22.6 > 21.6
Drives per game: 5.5 > 5.7
Front Ct Touches: 23.2 > 23.2
Dribbles per Touch: 1.43 > 1.81
Seconds per Touch: 2.37 > 2.57
The only noticeable difference is dribbling the ball one more dribble every 3 touches.
The-Power wrote:Colbinii wrote:The-Power wrote:That's odd considering that it's demonstrably false but Allen and PHX is a good fit nevertheless and it's a solid deal for both (keep in mind Allen's relatively low career-earnings), so that's great.
I was expecting some massive difference after reading Crives post.
AST%: 10.9 > 12.1
TOV%: 10.3 > 11.3
2P Assisted%: 60.6 > 57.0
3P Assisted%: 88.4 > 91.2
FTR: 22.6 > 21.6
Drives per game: 5.5 > 5.7
Front Ct Touches: 23.2 > 23.2
Dribbles per Touch: 1.43 > 1.81
Seconds per Touch: 2.37 > 2.57
The only noticeable difference is dribbling the ball one more dribble every 3 touches.
To add to this:
Shooting frequencies (MIL (2022/23) compared to PHX):
Catch and Shoot: 47.4% (3.4 FGA) -> 55.9% (5.0 FGA)
Pull Ups: 21.7% (1.7 FGA) –> 12.8% (1.1 FGA)
Less than 10ft: 29.1% (2.3 FGA) -> 31.0% (2.8 FGA)
So he quite literally has more ‘catch and shoot’ FGA than ‘pull up’ FGA, and the increase in shots closer to the rim isn't all that noteworthy either (Source: stats.nba.com, Player Tracking). 3PAr stayed practically the same as well (.657 to .652). But if Allen has the perception of being more ‘free’ in his game and that has helped him with his confidence, joy and/or efficiency as a result then that's great for him and Phoenix.
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Colbinii wrote:The-Power wrote:Colbinii wrote:
I was expecting some massive difference after reading Crives post.
AST%: 10.9 > 12.1
TOV%: 10.3 > 11.3
2P Assisted%: 60.6 > 57.0
3P Assisted%: 88.4 > 91.2
FTR: 22.6 > 21.6
Drives per game: 5.5 > 5.7
Front Ct Touches: 23.2 > 23.2
Dribbles per Touch: 1.43 > 1.81
Seconds per Touch: 2.37 > 2.57
The only noticeable difference is dribbling the ball one more dribble every 3 touches.
To add to this:
Shooting frequencies (MIL (2022/23) compared to PHX):
Catch and Shoot: 47.4% (3.4 FGA) -> 55.9% (5.0 FGA)
Pull Ups: 21.7% (1.7 FGA) –> 12.8% (1.1 FGA)
Less than 10ft: 29.1% (2.3 FGA) -> 31.0% (2.8 FGA)
So he quite literally has more ‘catch and shoot’ FGA than ‘pull up’ FGA, and the increase in shots closer to the rim isn't all that noteworthy either (Source: stats.nba.com, Player Tracking). 3PAr stayed practically the same as well (.657 to .652). But if Allen has the perception of being more ‘free’ in his game and that has helped him with his confidence, joy and/or efficiency as a result then that's great for him and Phoenix.
Allen has better space to attack since he isn't attack off of Giannis' drives and is instead attacking with 4 other shooters.
This part makes sense, which in theory makes his game more efficient.
Honestly I see no difference other than he was hot from 3 this year due to variance. When he settles back to 40-42% he will be a carbon copy.
Crives wrote:Guys I’m just reiterating what Allen has stated multiple times. Please don’t shoot the messenger. He said he felt he was empowered to be a decision maker, and encouraged to drive the ball and not just be a catch and shoot player
Mavrelous wrote:
Interesting he signed that now, MLE is 60/4, that's his floor, he could've tested what ORL was willing to pay.
JimmyPlopper wrote:Mavrelous wrote:
Interesting he signed that now, MLE is 60/4, that's his floor, he could've tested what ORL was willing to pay.
While true, imagine he gets injured between now and then - in a serious way - and he loses the chance to ever get that big contract. No one wants to be the Nerlens Noel either
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E-Balla wrote:LeBron is Jeff George.
G35 wrote:Lebron is not that far off from WB in trade value.
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Colbinii wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:
No player would ever ring chase with the Suns instead of the Celtics or Thunder or Nuggets.
That isn't true. There are players who have connections with KD/Booker who may prefer to sign with them. Players could also get more of a shot at breaking the actual playoff rotation with Phoenix compared to the 3 teams you mentioned.
Not to mention the weather and location factor.
Nuggets won a title and we didn’t see ring chases run to them.
Godaddycurse wrote:esvl wrote:As a Griz fan, I am curios in what area he managed to develop his skills to justify this kind of contract. He was a defensive liability at his time at Memphis.
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jbk1234 wrote:kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Colbinii wrote:
That isn't true. There are players who have connections with KD/Booker who may prefer to sign with them. Players could also get more of a shot at breaking the actual playoff rotation with Phoenix compared to the 3 teams you mentioned.
Not to mention the weather and location factor.
Nuggets won a title and we didn’t see ring chases run to them.
Phoenix in the summer is borderline unbearable. Luckily, with that type of money, Allen can afford a very nice summer house somewhere else.
esvl wrote:Godaddycurse wrote:esvl wrote:As a Griz fan, I am curios in what area he managed to develop his skills to justify this kind of contract. He was a defensive liability at his time at Memphis.
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It was the case in Memphis too, but we traded him for 2 2nds because he is useless in PO battles. 18m for catch and shoot + a bit of cutting - defence - any form of creation? Thank you very much.
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E-Balla wrote:LeBron is Jeff George.
G35 wrote:Lebron is not that far off from WB in trade value.
HadAnEffectHere wrote:kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Think contract fine. Sun need his shooting. Suns committed to paying tax. Just comes down to how much new ownership can actually afford.
It is now impossible for the Suns to sign any players above the league minimum and the only players they can trade with positive value are Booker and Durant.
jbk1234 wrote:kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Colbinii wrote:
That isn't true. There are players who have connections with KD/Booker who may prefer to sign with them. Players could also get more of a shot at breaking the actual playoff rotation with Phoenix compared to the 3 teams you mentioned.
Not to mention the weather and location factor.
Nuggets won a title and we didn’t see ring chases run to them.
Phoenix in the summer is borderline unbearable. Luckily, with that type of money, Allen can afford a very nice summer house somewhere else.
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Colbinii wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:
No player would ever ring chase with the Suns instead of the Celtics or Thunder or Nuggets.
That isn't true. There are players who have connections with KD/Booker who may prefer to sign with them. Players could also get more of a shot at breaking the actual playoff rotation with Phoenix compared to the 3 teams you mentioned.
Not to mention the weather and location factor.
Nuggets won a title and we didn’t see ring chases run to them.
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:jbk1234 wrote:kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Not to mention the weather and location factor.
Nuggets won a title and we didn’t see ring chases run to them.
Phoenix in the summer is borderline unbearable. Luckily, with that type of money, Allen can afford a very nice summer house somewhere else.
Definitely agree with the summers. For me , I’ll have two houses before I deal with Denver winters lol
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