Challenge: Get The Blazers Below The Tax / Consolidate Roster Spots
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Deandre Ayton $34,005,126
Jerami Grant $29,793,104
Anfernee Simons $25,892,857
Malcolm Brogdon $22,500,000
Robert Williams III $12,428,571
Matisse Thybulle $11,025,000
Scoot Henderson $10,259,160
Shaedon Sharpe $6,614,160
Kris Murray $2,990,040
Jabari Walker $2,019,699
Toumani Camara $1,891,857
Duop Reath $2,048,780
Rayan Rupert $1,891,857
3rd Overall Pick $10,200,360
14th Overall Pick $4,499,640
Delano Banton $2,196,970
Eric Bledsoe Dead Cap $1,300,000
Didi Louzada Dead Cap $268,032
Total Salary $181,825,213
Cap Space -$39,825,213
Tax Space -$9,225,213
1st Apron Space -$2,225,213
2nd Apron Space $8,274,787
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That's 16 roster spots filled so you need to consolidate down to 15 while also getting below the tax aka cut $9.3 Million...
Jerami Grant $29,793,104
Anfernee Simons $25,892,857
Malcolm Brogdon $22,500,000
Robert Williams III $12,428,571
Matisse Thybulle $11,025,000
Scoot Henderson $10,259,160
Shaedon Sharpe $6,614,160
Kris Murray $2,990,040
Jabari Walker $2,019,699
Toumani Camara $1,891,857
Duop Reath $2,048,780
Rayan Rupert $1,891,857
3rd Overall Pick $10,200,360
14th Overall Pick $4,499,640
Delano Banton $2,196,970
Eric Bledsoe Dead Cap $1,300,000
Didi Louzada Dead Cap $268,032
Total Salary $181,825,213
Cap Space -$39,825,213
Tax Space -$9,225,213
1st Apron Space -$2,225,213
2nd Apron Space $8,274,787
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That's 16 roster spots filled so you need to consolidate down to 15 while also getting below the tax aka cut $9.3 Million...
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Simple…
Ayton + Simons
FOR
WCJ + 25 Nugs 1st + 25 Magic 1st
Ayton + Simons
FOR
WCJ + 25 Nugs 1st + 25 Magic 1st
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The simplest way to me seems like it's waiting until the FA dust settles and then sending Brogdon's expiring contract to a cap space team for/with some minor incentive. Sixers, Spurs, Orlando, maybe Detroit all seem like they could use a veteran PG stopgap for a year if they strike out on bigger plans in free agency.
If you want to think bigger, Grant to Philly for cap space + incentives or Simons to Orlando for cap space + incentives both seem plausible.
If you want to think bigger, Grant to Philly for cap space + incentives or Simons to Orlando for cap space + incentives both seem plausible.
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I feel that they just need one team to like/overvalue any of Thybulle/RWIII/Brogdon/Simons/Grant/Ayton. IMO all of those guys are expendable for Portland's long-term rebuild. Get a good value for any of them and spin something off for salary savings.
Obviously they don't need to move all of them. They don't need a fire sale. They just need one other team to want/overvalue one of them.
Obviously they don't need to move all of them. They don't need a fire sale. They just need one other team to want/overvalue one of them.
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Thybulle, Murray, Walker out. Pick returned from Chicago. $16,034,739 saved.
Thybulle, Murray, Walker out. Pick returned from Chicago. $16,034,739 saved.
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I think the trade will be Jerami Grant to Sacramento, especially if they fail in the playoffs.
One can see Portland moving both Simons and Grant and keeping Brogdon to continue to mentor
Scoot/Sharpe as an expiring contract. Team is close enough to the tax line to move just one of
Grant/Simons
One can see Portland moving both Simons and Grant and keeping Brogdon to continue to mentor
Scoot/Sharpe as an expiring contract. Team is close enough to the tax line to move just one of
Grant/Simons
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Norm2953 wrote:I think the trade will be Jerami Grant to Sacramento, especially if they fail in the playoffs.
One can see Portland moving both Simons and Grant and keeping Brogdon to continue to mentor
Scoot/Sharpe as an expiring contract. Team is close enough to the tax line to move just one of
Grant/Simons
RealGM Blazers fans seem to be coming around to near-consensus in favor of this path. I am not a complete tear-down advocate, usually, but these guys aren't producing wins or contributing to any sort of team identity. Management's hand is forced and the deep rebuild is on.
At this board, we've often focused on the isolated "trade value" of Grant and Simons, individually, but I also wonder if there's a deal out there to return an unwanted contract to the Blazers for one or both. Is there a team for which either guy would be a major upgrade, and which also needs to shed some dead weight? It's worth it to the Blazers if it ups the price tag on Grant/Simons. The Blazers have to pay somebody the next two years, anyway, so an awful contract doesn't hurt much.
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Simons + #14
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#4
Simons and Ball would work well together. If Hornets need a little more, Murray is on the table. As is #33.
Blazers get two bites at the top 5 draft pick apple. Even in this draft, increases odds of at least one being a star.
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#4
Simons and Ball would work well together. If Hornets need a little more, Murray is on the table. As is #33.
Blazers get two bites at the top 5 draft pick apple. Even in this draft, increases odds of at least one being a star.
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Wolveswin wrote:Simple…
Ayton + Simons
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WCJ + 25 Nugs 1st + 25 Magic 1st
ORL can’t take on Ayton’s deal with Suggs & Franz extensions coming with Isaac’s new deal in a year, followed by Paolo’s max the year after. Stingy small- market orgs just won’t spend like Ballmer. On-court, I love it…but can’t do it.
Would consider taking Simons and TimeLord for WCJ and a pick.
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gswhoops wrote:The simplest way to me seems like it's waiting until the FA dust settles and then sending Brogdon's expiring contract to a cap space team for/with some minor incentive. Sixers, Spurs, Orlando, maybe Detroit all seem like they could use a veteran PG stopgap for a year if they strike out on bigger plans in free agency.
If you want to think bigger, Grant to Philly for cap space + incentives or Simons to Orlando for cap space + incentives both seem plausible.
Portland would want a 1st for Brogdan or a good 1st for Grant or Simons. I'm not sure any team offers them both cap relief and that value.
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NYG wrote:gswhoops wrote:The simplest way to me seems like it's waiting until the FA dust settles and then sending Brogdon's expiring contract to a cap space team for/with some minor incentive. Sixers, Spurs, Orlando, maybe Detroit all seem like they could use a veteran PG stopgap for a year if they strike out on bigger plans in free agency.
If you want to think bigger, Grant to Philly for cap space + incentives or Simons to Orlando for cap space + incentives both seem plausible.
Portland would want a 1st for Brogdan or a good 1st for Grant or Simons. I'm not sure any team offers them both cap relief and that value.
I want a date with Sydney Sweeney, that doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen.
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These are the 2 moves I am hoping for -
TRADE 1 (Davion can be replaced w/ other filler)
Jerami Grant + Kris Murray for Harrison Barnes + Davion Mitchell + #13 + 2025 PDX SRP
TRADE 2
PDX OUT - Anfernee Simons, Duop Reath, #40
PDX IN - Osumane Dieng, 2025 DEN FRP (Top-5 / Top-5 / Top-5) , 2024 UTA FRP (Top-10 / Top-10 / Top-8)
ORL OUT - Wendell Carter JR, 2025 DEN FRP (Top-5 / Top-5 / Top-5)
ORL IN - Anfernee Simons, Duop Reath
OKC OUT - Osumane Dieng, 2024 UTA FRP (Top-10 / Top-10 / Top-8)
OKC IN - Wendell Carter JR, #40
Trade #13 + #15 for move up and snag Kyshawn George.
2024/25 Roster
G - Scoot Henderson / Malcolm Brogdan / Davion Mitchell / Tyler Kolek (#33)
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Danalo Banton / Kyshawn George (~#8)
F - Harrison Barnes / Osumane Dieng / Matisse Thybulle
F - Toumari Camara / Matas Buzelis (#5) / Rayan Rupert
C - DeAndre Ayton / Robert Williams III / Jabari Walker JR
TRADE 1 (Davion can be replaced w/ other filler)
Jerami Grant + Kris Murray for Harrison Barnes + Davion Mitchell + #13 + 2025 PDX SRP
TRADE 2
PDX OUT - Anfernee Simons, Duop Reath, #40
PDX IN - Osumane Dieng, 2025 DEN FRP (Top-5 / Top-5 / Top-5) , 2024 UTA FRP (Top-10 / Top-10 / Top-8)
ORL OUT - Wendell Carter JR, 2025 DEN FRP (Top-5 / Top-5 / Top-5)
ORL IN - Anfernee Simons, Duop Reath
OKC OUT - Osumane Dieng, 2024 UTA FRP (Top-10 / Top-10 / Top-8)
OKC IN - Wendell Carter JR, #40
Trade #13 + #15 for move up and snag Kyshawn George.
2024/25 Roster
G - Scoot Henderson / Malcolm Brogdan / Davion Mitchell / Tyler Kolek (#33)
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Danalo Banton / Kyshawn George (~#8)
F - Harrison Barnes / Osumane Dieng / Matisse Thybulle
F - Toumari Camara / Matas Buzelis (#5) / Rayan Rupert
C - DeAndre Ayton / Robert Williams III / Jabari Walker JR
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If it's cost savings and moving Ayton the Bulls could make the numbers work or at least get close.
Ayton to CHI
for
Vucevic for $20M same years as Ayton, an expiring Caruso and the return of the mythical PORT pick
Simpler would help the Bulls too
Caruso for Robert Williams III
Ayton to CHI
for
Vucevic for $20M same years as Ayton, an expiring Caruso and the return of the mythical PORT pick
Simpler would help the Bulls too
Caruso for Robert Williams III
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gswhoops wrote:NYG wrote:gswhoops wrote:The simplest way to me seems like it's waiting until the FA dust settles and then sending Brogdon's expiring contract to a cap space team for/with some minor incentive. Sixers, Spurs, Orlando, maybe Detroit all seem like they could use a veteran PG stopgap for a year if they strike out on bigger plans in free agency.
If you want to think bigger, Grant to Philly for cap space + incentives or Simons to Orlando for cap space + incentives both seem plausible.
Portland would want a 1st for Brogdan or a good 1st for Grant or Simons. I'm not sure any team offers them both cap relief and that value.
I want a date with Sydney Sweeney, that doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen.
Agree. If the Blazers want significant cost savings, they can't expect to get a nice asset for it as well.
Brogdan is still good when healthy so he won't be expensive to dump. The Blazers can either choose to get an asset for him, or save money, not both
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ChettheJet wrote:If it's cost savings and moving Ayton the Bulls could make the numbers work or at least get close.
Ayton to CHI
for
Vucevic for $20M same years as Ayton, an expiring Caruso and the return of the mythical PORT pick
Simpler would help the Bulls too
Caruso for Robert Williams III
I’d do either for POR.
Edrees wrote:JRoy wrote:Monta Ellis have it all
I was hoping and expecting this to be one of the first replies. You did not disappoint. Jroy have it all.
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Consolidating won’t be popular because fans probably like the real cheap guys and they aren’t worth a lot and it doesn’t make much sense to give up on Timelord.. But that’s what makes the most sense.. just throwing a Banton/Reath in with Grant or Simons and taking back 8-10 million less.. Raise the total value returned by a little..
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oldncreaky wrote:gswhoops wrote:NYG wrote:
Portland would want a 1st for Brogdan or a good 1st for Grant or Simons. I'm not sure any team offers them both cap relief and that value.
I want a date with Sydney Sweeney, that doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen.
Agree. If the Blazers want significant cost savings, they can't expect to get a nice asset for it as well.
Brogdan is still good when healthy so he won't be expensive to dump. The Blazers can either choose to get an asset for him, or save money, not both
My rough off the cuff assessment is:
Could return cap space plus asset(s): Grant, Simons
Could return cap space: Brogdon, Thybulle
Could return cap space if paired with assets: Ayton
Wildcard: Timelord
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gswhoops wrote:oldncreaky wrote:gswhoops wrote:I want a date with Sydney Sweeney, that doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen.
Agree. If the Blazers want significant cost savings, they can't expect to get a nice asset for it as well.
Brogdan is still good when healthy so he won't be expensive to dump. The Blazers can either choose to get an asset for him, or save money, not both
My rough off the cuff assessment is:
Could return cap space plus asset(s): Grant, Simons
Could return cap space: Brogdon, Thybulle
Could return cap space if paired with assets: Ayton
Wildcard: Timelord
Agree, but I think Jerami Grant is a little context dependent.
Including his 2027-28 PO, Grant is owed another $132M for 4 years. I could see a team with a shortish contending window (like Philly) willing to take that on, but a team like DET or TOR might hesitate to commit that much money.
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oldncreaky wrote:gswhoops wrote:oldncreaky wrote:
Agree. If the Blazers want significant cost savings, they can't expect to get a nice asset for it as well.
Brogdan is still good when healthy so he won't be expensive to dump. The Blazers can either choose to get an asset for him, or save money, not both
My rough off the cuff assessment is:
Could return cap space plus asset(s): Grant, Simons
Could return cap space: Brogdon, Thybulle
Could return cap space if paired with assets: Ayton
Wildcard: Timelord
Agree, but I think Jerami Grant is a little context dependent.
Including his 2027-28 PO, Grant is owed another $132M for 4 years. I could see a team with a shortish contending window (like Philly) willing to take that on, but a team like DET or TOR might hesitate to commit that much money.
I strongly think Grant will be targeted as a consolation prize for teams that strike out on a bigger fish this summer. Alot of teams are looking for a '3rd star' (PHI, SAC, LAL, MIA, etc) and once PG13, DDR, etc are off the market I think a win-now not fiscally conservative team will pony up a bundle that will surprise some.
Then again I am wrong all the time.
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BlazersBroncos wrote:oldncreaky wrote:gswhoops wrote:My rough off the cuff assessment is:
Could return cap space plus asset(s): Grant, Simons
Could return cap space: Brogdon, Thybulle
Could return cap space if paired with assets: Ayton
Wildcard: Timelord
Agree, but I think Jerami Grant is a little context dependent.
Including his 2027-28 PO, Grant is owed another $132M for 4 years. I could see a team with a shortish contending window (like Philly) willing to take that on, but a team like DET or TOR might hesitate to commit that much money.
I strongly think Grant will be targeted as a consolation prize for teams that strike out on a bigger fish this summer. Alot of teams are looking for a '3rd star' (PHI, SAC, LAL, MIA, etc) and once PG13, DDR, etc are off the market I think a win-now not fiscally conservative team will pony up a bundle that will surprise some.
Then again I am wrong all the time.
I personally like Simons for Lower of '25 Nuggets/Magic 1st. I know Blazers fans don't like it, but it gets them below the tax and gets them a second 1st in 2 straight drafts between 2024 and 2025 which is a solid jumpstart to see through this rebuild.
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