IlikeSHAIguys wrote:tsherkin wrote:IlikeSHAIguys wrote:I don't really get it. Luka has more points and assists and carried his team to more wins than Jokic's first 2 MVP's when people were saying it was just because of injury. But now Luka finishes a few wins behind when he has to carry a team with lots of injury issues, Jokic gets it again?
If Luka isnt this years MVP then I don't think Jokic shouldn't have gotten his first two. Shifting goalposts so one gets 3 MVP while the other gets 0 just seems like hate tbh. Jokic has not been 3 mvps better than Luka for his career and it would suck if Luka ends up MVP-less because media decided to give Jokic extra credit for a ring during Luka's best regular season.
It isn't shifting goalposts at all, and that's a tiresome argument. There is a legitimate pro-Doncic argument, but that doesn't mean it's appropriate or good discourse to attack people for holding a pro-Jokic argument.
How is it not shifting goalposts to give one two MVPs when they don't win 50 and then be like sorry sir, you don't even get one when you won 50 twice?
Are you sure goal posts are being shifted here?
Who was better than Jokic in 2021?
Who even had an argument--in the regular season--over Jokic in 2021?
BPM
1) Jokic 12.1
2) Giannis 9.0
VORP
1) Jokic 8.8
2) Curry 5.8
TS+
1) Curry 255.3
2) Jokic 221.1
Best Players on the teams with more wins than Denver1) Rudy Gobert
2) 49 Wins - Kawhi Leonard [Played in 52 of 72 games, meanwhile Jokic played in all 72 games]
3) 49 Wins - Chris Paul [4.6 BPM, 3.6 VORP, 52.7 TS+)
4) 48 Wins - Giannis
5) 48 Wins - Joel Embiid [Played in 51 of 72 games]
6) 47 Wins - Jokic with Denver
So, you are saying these situations are similar, right?
You think that the Nuggets being 2 games behind the #2 seed in the entire NBA is the same as Dallas being 7 games behind the #2 seed? No, you aren't dumb, that can't be your rationale.
You think that someone was close to Jokic's level as a player? Clearly not in the Advanced Metrics.
You think that someone played close to as many games as Jokic? No, the closest is Giannis at 61 games [11 games LESS than Jokic].
So, what exactly is the parallel from 2021 to 2024?