2024 NBA Playoffs - East 1st Round: #4 Cleveland Cavaliers vs. #5 Orlando Magic (CLE WINS 4-3)

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Who wins?

Cavs in 4
6
2%
Cavs in 5
41
14%
Cavs in 6
69
24%
Cavs in 7
39
14%
Magic in 4
7
2%
Magic in 5
7
2%
Magic in 6
72
25%
Magic in 7
42
15%
 
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Re: 2024 NBA Playoffs - East 1st Round: #4 Cleveland Cavaliers vs. #5 Orlando Magic 

Post#181 » by Mad Guru » Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:58 pm

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eyriq wrote:Does Orlando start Jonathan Isaac?


Dunno, does Jamahl Mosley typically recognize when one of his players has been wreaking havoc on an opponent and play that guy more?

Isaac can't give you 40 minutes, so you can start him or not, you are getting maybe 25 prime minutes from him either way
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Post#182 » by davey_wavy » Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:06 am

Interesting that the NBA TV series has the second most pages out of the playoff threads :wink:
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Post#183 » by RookieStar » Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:20 am

davey_wavy wrote:Interesting that the NBA TV series has the second most pages out of the playoff threads :wink:


I kinda mentioned that before that we had the nost pages despite posters saying this is probably the nost overlooked series this PO :wink:
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Post#184 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:28 am

eyriq wrote:Does Orlando start Jonathan Isaac?
I was wondering if at some point they just go Suggs plus the 4 tall guys.

I know last season they did it a bit but maybe it was out of necessity.
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Post#185 » by RookieStar » Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:40 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:
eyriq wrote:Does Orlando start Jonathan Isaac?
I was wondering if at some point they just go Suggs plus the 4 tall guys.

I know last season they did it a bit but maybe it was out of necessity.


You mean the so-called " death lineup " of Suggs, Franz, Paolo , WCJ/Mo, JI??

We did that at crunch time a couple of times this season to secure the win. Who knows, we might see it again in the POs.
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Post#186 » by JT3000 » Wed Apr 17, 2024 1:31 am

Franz can't guard shooting guards, so no, that's not happening.
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Post#187 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:58 am

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JujitsuFlip wrote:
eyriq wrote:Does Orlando start Jonathan Isaac?
I was wondering if at some point they just go Suggs plus the 4 tall guys.

I know last season they did it a bit but maybe it was out of necessity.


You mean the so-called " death lineup " of Suggs, Franz, Paolo , WCJ/Mo, JI??

We did that at crunch time a couple of times this season to secure the win. Who knows, we might see it again in the POs.
Yeah, that one.

Cavs have like no depth behind Allen or Mobley so if one gets in foul trouble, Garland and Mobley are a tiny back court, and regardless who is at 3 for the Cavs, they have no size.

I just wonder if throwing all that length at the Cavs would cause problems, bc we know jb wouldn't be able to adjust.
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Post#188 » by RookieStar » Wed Apr 17, 2024 3:07 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:I was wondering if at some point they just go Suggs plus the 4 tall guys.

I know last season they did it a bit but maybe it was out of necessity.


You mean the so-called " death lineup " of Suggs, Franz, Paolo , WCJ/Mo, JI??

We did that at crunch time a couple of times this season to secure the win. Who knows, we might see it again in the POs.
Yeah, that one.

Cavs have like no depth behind Allen or Mobley so if one gets in foul trouble, Garland and Mobley are a tiny back court, and regardless who is at 3 for the Cavs, they have no size.

I just wonder if throwing all that length at the Cavs would cause problems, bc we know jb wouldn't be able to adjust.


Okoro is only 6'5 right? Franz feasts on those kind of SF. I would think JB would put Mobley on him, JA on Paolo and Okoro on JI/WCJ who are not noted inside scorers.

If Franz is forced to play the 2, he can. However not if he is matched up against small apeedy guards which Garland/DON belongs to.
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Post#189 » by basketballRob » Wed Apr 17, 2024 3:28 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:I was wondering if at some point they just go Suggs plus the 4 tall guys.

I know last season they did it a bit but maybe it was out of necessity.


You mean the so-called " death lineup " of Suggs, Franz, Paolo , WCJ/Mo, JI??

We did that at crunch time a couple of times this season to secure the win. Who knows, we might see it again in the POs.
Yeah, that one.

Cavs have like no depth behind Allen or Mobley so if one gets in foul trouble, Garland and Mobley are a tiny back court, and regardless who is at 3 for the Cavs, they have no size.

I just wonder if throwing all that length at the Cavs would cause problems, bc we know jb wouldn't be able to adjust.
What about Wade?

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Post#190 » by uraverage » Wed Apr 17, 2024 3:38 am

JT3000 wrote:Franz can't guard shooting guards, so no, that's not happening.

This is an underrated statement. Most magic fans will not agree but what if we spent the whole truck on OG. The line up of Suggs, OG, F.Wagner, Paolo, Isaac would crush most teams.
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Post#191 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed Apr 17, 2024 3:40 am

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JujitsuFlip wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
You mean the so-called " death lineup " of Suggs, Franz, Paolo , WCJ/Mo, JI??

We did that at crunch time a couple of times this season to secure the win. Who knows, we might see it again in the POs.
Yeah, that one.

Cavs have like no depth behind Allen or Mobley so if one gets in foul trouble, Garland and Mobley are a tiny back court, and regardless who is at 3 for the Cavs, they have no size.

I just wonder if throwing all that length at the Cavs would cause problems, bc we know jb wouldn't be able to adjust.
What about Wade?

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He's been out for 19 straight games with no timeline for his return, he woulda been nice to have in this series for sure.

6'5 Strus will start at 3 and one of Okoro or LeVert will rotate in for him.

Outta shape Niang will be the only "big" off the bench.

It will be an interesting series for sure, i envision the Magic's length is gonna be problematic for the Cavs.
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Post#192 » by John Murdoch » Wed Apr 17, 2024 4:43 am

Garland needs to wake tf up..hes been azz since coming back
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Post#193 » by Chuck Everett » Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:50 am

Damn, two of the first four games are on NBATV. I'm guessing every non-weekend game will be on that channel (unless other series end sooner).
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Post#194 » by jasonxxx102 » Wed Apr 17, 2024 1:52 pm

Kinda wild that Magic in 6 is winning the poll.

Yes, JB Bickerstaff is a BAD playoff coach.

Yes, The Cavs have struggled post all star break

Yes, the Cavs have never shown the ability to win big games

but who the heck is going to score on the Magic? Is Paolo gonna be your offensive engine? Good luck. Franz? He's fine but do you want him running a playoff offense?

I don't think this Cavs team is particularly good and JB has proven to be a terrible coach when it matters but the talent discrepancy is too wide.
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Post#195 » by Bergmaniac » Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:00 pm

If Isaac is healthy enough to play 25+ minutes the whole series and Mosley comes to his senses and takes Fultz out of the rotation we have a decent shot at winning the series. Yes, we won't score much, but we have the defensive personnel to ensure the Cavs won't do it either, especially with Mitchell and Garland's health still being somewhat questionable. The Cavs are the favourites due to their experience and more firepower, but we can upset them.
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Post#196 » by 3ddman23 » Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:17 pm

jasonxxx102 wrote:Kinda wild that Magic in 6 is winning the poll.

Yes, JB Bickerstaff is a BAD playoff coach.

Yes, The Cavs have struggled post all star break

Yes, the Cavs have never shown the ability to win big games

but who the heck is going to score on the Magic? Is Paolo gonna be your offensive engine? Good luck. Franz? He's fine but do you want him running a playoff offense?

I don't think this Cavs team is particularly good and JB has proven to be a terrible coach when it matters but the talent discrepancy is too wide.


Look I don't expect the magic to win this series but people have been saying how are the magic gonna score all season and yet they some how won 47 games....

Quite honestly the magic are kinda built for the playoffs. Defensive minded, slower pace, a guy that you can give the ball to and get a bucket( paolo) strong bench unit, etc.

It comes down to this with the magic, if they can limit the self inflicted wounds ( turnovers, second chance points, 50/50 balls, fouling shooters, etc) they can without question make this an intresting series.

Now of course that comes with them being able to atleast hit some OPEN 3s( which they have struggled with) to go along with that.

I have Cleveland in this one in 6 but orlando I think can make it intresting if they lock in.
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Post#197 » by Jadoogar » Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:19 pm

RookieStar wrote:
davey_wavy wrote:Interesting that the NBA TV series has the second most pages out of the playoff threads :wink:


I kinda mentioned that before that we had the nost pages despite posters saying this is probably the nost overlooked series this PO :wink:


tbf huge fanbases like the Celtics and Sixers can't comment yet because they don't know their opponents.
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Post#198 » by jasonxxx102 » Wed Apr 17, 2024 3:26 pm

3ddman23 wrote:
jasonxxx102 wrote:Kinda wild that Magic in 6 is winning the poll.

Yes, JB Bickerstaff is a BAD playoff coach.

Yes, The Cavs have struggled post all star break

Yes, the Cavs have never shown the ability to win big games

but who the heck is going to score on the Magic? Is Paolo gonna be your offensive engine? Good luck. Franz? He's fine but do you want him running a playoff offense?

I don't think this Cavs team is particularly good and JB has proven to be a terrible coach when it matters but the talent discrepancy is too wide.


Look I don't expect the magic to win this series but people have been saying how are the magic gonna score all season and yet they some how won 47 games....

Quite honestly the magic are kinda built for the playoffs. Defensive minded, slower pace, a guy that you can give the ball to and get a bucket( paolo) strong bench unit, etc.

It comes down to this with the magic, if they can limit the self inflicted wounds ( turnovers, second chance points, 50/50 balls, fouling shooters, etc) they can without question make this an intresting series.

Now of course that comes with them being able to atleast hit some OPEN 3s( which they have struggled with) to go along with that.

I have Cleveland in this one in 6 but orlando I think can make it intresting if they lock in.


Are we sure Paolo is that guy? He had pretty bad efficiency on really high usage this season. He can't really shoot, isn't great at the rim, isn't a great ball handler, and isn't that good of a playmaker.

Miami is a pretty similar team to the Cavs in terms of defense & pace and Orlando scored an average of 100.5 pts and went 1-3 across 4 games. Again, Cleveland isn't a good team but they do have a good defense, and a lot more offensive firepower than the Magic.
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Post#199 » by basketballRob » Wed Apr 17, 2024 3:52 pm

jasonxxx102 wrote:
3ddman23 wrote:
jasonxxx102 wrote:Kinda wild that Magic in 6 is winning the poll.

Yes, JB Bickerstaff is a BAD playoff coach.

Yes, The Cavs have struggled post all star break

Yes, the Cavs have never shown the ability to win big games

but who the heck is going to score on the Magic? Is Paolo gonna be your offensive engine? Good luck. Franz? He's fine but do you want him running a playoff offense?

I don't think this Cavs team is particularly good and JB has proven to be a terrible coach when it matters but the talent discrepancy is too wide.


Look I don't expect the magic to win this series but people have been saying how are the magic gonna score all season and yet they some how won 47 games....

Quite honestly the magic are kinda built for the playoffs. Defensive minded, slower pace, a guy that you can give the ball to and get a bucket( paolo) strong bench unit, etc.

It comes down to this with the magic, if they can limit the self inflicted wounds ( turnovers, second chance points, 50/50 balls, fouling shooters, etc) they can without question make this an intresting series.

Now of course that comes with them being able to atleast hit some OPEN 3s( which they have struggled with) to go along with that.

I have Cleveland in this one in 6 but orlando I think can make it intresting if they lock in.


Are we sure Paolo is that guy? He had pretty bad efficiency on really high usage this season. He can't really shoot, isn't great at the rim, isn't a great ball handler, and isn't that good of a playmaker.

Miami is a pretty similar team to the Cavs in terms of defense & pace and Orlando scored an average of 100.5 pts and went 1-3 across 4 games. Again, Cleveland isn't a good team but they do have a good defense, and a lot more offensive firepower than the Magic.
Paolo will surprise you at how well he can shoot. His percentages are low because he takes a lot of mid range shots. Those aren't good shots, but those are the type of shots you get in the playoffs. In theory, Paolo's play shouldn't drop off in the playoffs.

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