Jontay Porter banned from the NBA

dhsilv2 · Post #141 » by **dhsilv2** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:37 pm

firedavidkahn wrote:Beating your wife: A-ok!

Betting: banned for life

Make it make sense

Yeah...it does. One is related to your job. The other just makes you a trash person. Terrible people have jobs. People who hurt their company don't.

reddyplayerone · Post #142 » by **reddyplayerone** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:37 pm

Rich Rane wrote:This NBA ban for betting was brought to you by FanDuel and DraftKings. FanDuel and DraftKings, the OFFICIAL betting partners of the NBA.

Shams "Fanduel Partner" Charania breaking this news had me CACKLING this morning

DaFan334 · Post #143 » by **DaFan334** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:37 pm

Hopefully, this isn't a distraction for MPJ. It seems like he has had poor decisions from family members right before the playoffs in the last 2 years now, with his other brother killing someone in a DUI last year.

lonzo_pelota · Post #144 » by **lonzo_pelota** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:38 pm

A lifetime ban for a guy that averaged for his career 3.7pts 2.6reb seems a bit much , he barely had a impact on any game he played in. Its like there giving him the treatment Eric Lewis evaded. I almost assumed bench players bet on games in vicarious ways just like how congress can do insider trading. Gilbert arenas said in his day everybody bet on cards and other things during plane/bus rides and after games etc.

reddyplayerone · Post #145 » by **reddyplayerone** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:38 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
firedavidkahn wrote:Beating your wife: A-ok!

Betting: banned for life

Make it make sense

Yeah...it does. One is related to your job. The other just makes you a trash person. Terrible people have jobs. People who hurt their company don't.

Yeah I don't really want to associate or give business to companies that harbor men who beat and abuse women but I guess that's just me!

UcanUwill · Post #146 » by **UcanUwill** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:39 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
jowglenn wrote:Obviously they had to do this, the guy was clearly giving inside info on his own injuries/illnesses to people who were betting on his behalf. It's not at the same level of affecting outcomes like point shaving, but it's something the NBA simply cannot allow to take root in any way. Every player must now know that their career will be OVER if they bet on games or give inside info to proxy bettors.

The bigger problem going forward, as I see it, is that sports betting is still just a question of inside information. Even if a player doesn't intentionally share this info with someone to use in betting, that information is still incredibly valuable. I foresee future scandals where organized criminal groups hack into emails, texts, and computer networks of teams, coaches, medical staff, and players to obtain this insider info to use in betting. No need to hack any bank accounts or financial systems - just get access to a teams' entire email network, and read the notes from the medical staff and coaches on a players' expected return dates, etc, and you can use that for all kinds of betting purposes. This WILL happen, and it's probably going to be hard to spot when it happens - sophisticated groups will use this info smartly and covertly.

Why does it matter? If you're gambling on sports you're a scum bag. Who cares if they get screwed?

How is gambling on sports is being a scumbag. What?

About initial post, rules are placed now and teams need to disclose most of that information before hand, so there is not that much you can hack that at least bookers already wouldn't know.

Also, they are smart. These bets often have many qualifiers now, because they were burned in the oast when public receives info and acts faster than bookies do. Now they just have qualifiers.

Roger Murdock · Post #147 » by **Roger Murdock** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:39 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
ChipotleWest wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:Keep beating your wives and parading around your guns boys lol

In this case he deserves a ban, it was not just him gambling. He was tanking prop bets that were for him so his friends and probably he could win money. That is so messed up.

So is beating your wife and leaving her battered and bruised. Just want Silver to admit that he thinks that deserves 2nd chances but addiction to gambling doesn't.

Do you think your CEO would care more if you defrauded the company or assaulted someone?

You know the answer

Post #148 » by **Capn'O** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:40 pm

KembaWalker wrote:Just because they use the same mechanism ie suspension it doesn’t mean the decisions are made the same way

Suspensions for criminal behavior are moral
Suspensions for gambling are business

They aren’t claiming gambling is worse than domestic violence. This is purely a business decision and isn’t even attempting to be portrayed as some moral grandstanding.

I'm not sure how this isn't obvious to everyone. It's like if a poster here, let's say Dirk, was found to be a serial murderer. The site wouldn't have much recourse to take any action against him. Whereas if he told me that I was as useless as the "ueue" in "queue" on this site the affront would have violated the TOS here and Dirk could face repercussions from the site admins.

The league doesn't have as many tools to deal with off the court issues as it does for things that directly effect league policy. Nor should it.

Dirk wrote:...

Consider this notice to stop insulting me. Thanks in advance.

sp6r=underrated wrote:

kingr · Post #149 » by **kingr** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:40 pm

I wonder if the NBA will look closely into his brother now.

Johnny Bball · Post #150 » by **Johnny Bball** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:42 pm

Rich Rane wrote:This NBA ban for betting was brought to you by FanDuel and DraftKings. FanDuel and DraftKings, the OFFICIAL betting partners of the NBA.

THe NBA had a ref rigging games 20 years ago. They scuttled an FBI investigation. For about 18 years there was nothing.

Then the NBA gets in bed with sports gambling and right away the books find a player fixing gambling bets. In such a dumb way it's hard to miss.

Conclusion; for the 18 years in-between the NBA had any number of players/officials/etc. that could have committed any kind of match fixing they wanted to and some probably did because the NBA just wanted to keep hiding it.

But ban him for life because he got caught, but match fix quietly, and the NBA DGAF no matter how much Silver pretends they do.

Tor_Raps · Post #151 » by **Tor_Raps** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:45 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:So what about players who do steroids on purpose? Aren't they cheating the game? Why are they allowed to come back?

No. Steroids are doing the right thing and taking care of their body! The anti steroid stuff is just gross.

Hey Chris Benoit... is that you? Lol

phanman · Post #152 » by **phanman** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:47 pm

ChipotleWest wrote:
phanman wrote:
ChipotleWest wrote:You're the one who didn't read and doesn't understand fully what actually happened. You're practically talking to yourself about it taking 5 minutes but you didn't do it, shameful to attack something else when you're the guilty one.

"The league's investigation also found that Porter limited his own game participation to influence the outcome of one or more bets on his performance in a Raptors game"

Does that sound like he just gambled on a game? No he actually influenced the bets by tanking prop bets, like I've said 20 times in this thread already! Geez some of you are helpless.

I can't believe I have to literally paste this for you but here you go...

Do you see the last sentence?

I already copied the EXACT same thing for you are you doing ok? I said he didn't get banned for simply gambling, he tanked prop bets to influence gambling. That is not the same thing. If you need help, call 9/11.

What are we doing here man?

Your arguing semantics when you literally just agreed that the decision to ban him was betting related as evidenced by the seentence you just wrote. It's not me or any other poster in this thread that states otherwise, its the NBA through an official press release that states he got banned for betting on NBA games. Its literally the last sentence of the cropped out photo.

Johnny Bball · Post #153 » by **Johnny Bball** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:48 pm

Eyeamok wrote:Actually the NBA is probably very happy that Jontay Porter is the guy they get to ban for life. When getting into bed with gambling the NBA had to figure on one day a player would get caught gambling. Porter is not a big name but he has big name association, his brother. So the NBA gets to throw the book at a guy who is not a star and yet has star association. And they get to come off as being very serious about preserving the integrity of the game.

Yep. Lets be clear. Porter didn't gamble or get caught because the NBA decided to get into bed with gambling just because its gambling.

Porter got caught because the Sports Books actually examine bets to see if they are fixed, unlike the NBA, despite any protestations they do. Getting into bed with sports books ensure the NBA now has to actually give a **** and actually care about matches and bets being fixed instead of just hiding it and pretending it never happens. Otherwise sports books will keep making this public to dissuade others.

Post #154 » by **Capn'O** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:52 pm

Eyeamok wrote:Actually the NBA is probably very happy that Jontay Porter is the guy they get to ban for life. When getting into bed with gambling the NBA had to figure on one day a player would get caught gambling. Porter is not a big name but he has big name association, his brother. So the NBA gets to throw the book at a guy who is not a star and yet has star association. And they get to come off as being very serious about preserving the integrity of the game.

As your other post mentioned, as long as he's above the law, Jontay probably doesn't lose a ton with this as his NBA career was already in the balance. This is the foundation for a pretty solid conspiracy theory, tbh.

dhsilv2 · Post #155 » by **dhsilv2** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:53 pm

reddyplayerone wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
firedavidkahn wrote:Beating your wife: A-ok!

Betting: banned for life

Make it make sense

Yeah...it does. One is related to your job. The other just makes you a trash person. Terrible people have jobs. People who hurt their company don't.

Yeah I don't really want to associate or give business to companies that harbor men who beat and abuse women but I guess that's just me!

So don't do anything with any company over 100 employees. Otherwise...you're doing it.

Johnny Bball · Post #156 » by **Johnny Bball** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:53 pm

SweaterBae wrote:Officiating is what destroys the integrity of the game. The NBA loves when this happens so they can take the pretend high road in the name of "integrity".

How? The NBA isn't the ones that first looked into this and are not the ones that made it public. The have little integrity here besides being reactive to a problem the books brough to them.

The NBA is the ones at fault here for never even giving a **** about fixed games and literally scuttling an FBI investigation to stop it.

Sorry for being repetitive, I'm just trying to bring the focus on who is to blame here, and Porter and the NBA itself.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #157 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:53 pm

I understand the NBA needing to set a standard that this isn’t okay, but….neither is beating your wife/girlfriend/child and the NBA wasn’t too upset about that.

Just an awful look all the way around.

benson13 · Post #158 » by **benson13** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:54 pm

Jeremy Lin 7 wrote:Where's the Lifetime ban for beating your wife?

I get it. This does look hypocritical by the NBA, and it is to an extent.

That said, the most important thing the NBA has isn't LeBron or Giannis. It's the belief by the fans that they're not watching WWE. That's why the NBA went after Tim Donaghy the way it did. The notion of games being fixed becoming mainstream would be worse for the NBA than Wemby dying of a basketball related heart attack. That's why Jontay Porter was banned

Make no mistake about it either. A star would get the same punishment. The only difference is how it would unfold. Porter was a journeyman at best. The NBA got wind of what he was doing and he was gone. This story isn't even a month old. If it was LeBron the league would start by suspending him pending an investigation. Before that investigation even started, LeBron's attorneys would get involved and try to get him back on the court. That could go either way, and in a few months finding would be released. It would be a long process, and the NBA would need much more concrete evidence.

Roscoe Sheed · Post #159 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:55 pm

Shock Defeat wrote:Crazy how he got banned while Ohtani is still playing cause his translator was able to take the fall

there isn't any evidence of that and I doubt his translator would take the fall- he is likely going to prison for quite a while

ArksNetsSince99 · Post #160 » by **ArksNetsSince99** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:55 pm

azcatz11 wrote:
M2J wrote:The NBA could have just given him a one-year or 2-year ban. Which would have completed the same thing as he probably would never have gotten a chance to get back into the league.

That's only an issue for me in case there are questions about an actual star.

For those trying to be keyboard Warriors with your hidden names bringing up people like Miles Bridges. It's totally not the same thing. What Porter has done literally caused into question the integrity of the game. I know plenty of people who believe these games are truly fixed already, so why would they want to bet on them?

Well I see their side tbh. One is morally reprehensible and the other ruins the integrity of the game. The league is also in bed with the gambling websites and wants to take literally all of our money. They want to wipe us clean. There’s an issue here

There is no issue bro , I’m betting against you every time and I’m wiping them clean almost every time