Jontay Porter banned from the NBA

[Chuck Everett]

Apparently, there may be other players/support staff (quietly) being investigated by the league. The NBA is probably hoping this bombshell forces everyone who might be doing similar activities to stop. But the Eric Lewis quitting/burner twitter account and subsequent investigation scuttling still does not sit well with me. We think another ref may be complicit in corrupt practices but since he decided to retire, no harm, no foul.

[ishoy123]

Actually the NBA is probably very happy that Jontay Porter is the guy they get to ban for life. When getting into bed with gambling the NBA had to figure on one day a player would get caught gambling. Porter is not a big name but he has big name association, his brother. So the NBA gets to throw the book at a guy who is not a star and yet has star association. And they get to come off as being very serious about preserving the integrity of the game.

Yep. Lets be clear. Porter didn't gamble or get caught because the NBA decided to get into bed with gambling just because its gambling.

Porter got caught because the Sports Books actually examine bets to see if they are fixed, unlike the NBA, despite any protestations they do. Getting into bed with sports books ensure the NBA now has to actually give a **** and actually care about matches and bets being fixed instead of just hiding it and pretending it never happens. Otherwise sports books will keep making this public to dissuade others.

And by examine bets, I guarantee you they have programmatic anomaly detection built into their tech stack to alert of suspicious, out of the norm bets, on random things.

Ya like who the f would put $80,000 into a prop bet on Johntay Porter

[Yoshun]

I love threads where the very first post throws the entire thread off.

[slick_watts]

i'm guessing this has happened before but the league would have no way of knowing.

this is being blamed on the league being partnered with sports books but in reality i think that partnership is the only reason why this was caught. you think porter wasn't going to find other ways to bet if the nba didn't have fanduel commercials?

from a societal standpoint i think the easy access to betting, in general, is yet another vector for instant gratification / dopamine burst that is increasingly pervasive in everyday lives. is that good or bad? who knows.

[UcanUwill]

Where's the Lifetime ban for beating your wife?

Yup. The NBA decides to partner with an industry that thrives off of addiction and punishes a player for it (he should be punished, not sure if this should be the punishment) but has much less severe penalties for much more severe crimes.

I think we been through this. Do we really want to ban people if they did that? I mean maybe, probably, but do we really want that?

Assaulting your wife is a terrible crime, but I feel that if person served his time or did his punishment, in most cases, not all, even if he did a bad crime, I want the idea that he could have a job. Maybe not in the NBA anymore, and we can discuss it as people.

But when you ilegally hurt your own company, it is different, and I think people know it, and I think people know it that company punishing them harsher is actually reasonable and is not a case of hypocrisy.

As I said yesterday, if you work at target, and they catch you stealing from it, and taking advantage of your position, just to steal from target and its customers, you done, you ain't working at target ever and for good reason. That doesn't mean that now target can't employ people who in the past did more severe crimes than stealing from target. I do not see that as hypocritical at all, it is perfectly reasonable.

Not like NBA is funding a court to get Porter more jail time than what Miles Bridges got. They banned him from their business and that's that.

[NZB2323]

Why does it matter? If you're gambling on sports you're a scum bag. Who cares if they get screwed?

How is gambling on sports is being a scumbag. What?

About initial post, rules are placed now and teams need to disclose most of that information before hand, so there is not that much you can hack that at least bookers already wouldn't know.

Also, they are smart. These bets often have many qualifiers now, because they were burned in the oast when public receives info and acts faster than bookies do. Now they just have qualifiers.

What more need be said? Gambling is degenerate behavior. Same with cheating on your wife. Or whatever other social norms we have created in the last 200,000 years that we look at as bad for these reasons. You do you...I don't care. But lets not act like it's acceptable behavior. It's no better than doing drugs to your health. It's just another way to get your brain to push out excess stimulants to feel good in an unhealthy way.

It's an addictive vice that has massive negatives and has no real benefits to society or the individual.

Caffeine, alcohol, social media, and McDonald’s are also addictive. If someone has caffeine, alcohol, social media, or McDonald’s does that make them a scumbag? Can all those things be compared to cheating on your wife, or is it okay in moderation and something that only a Puritan would condemn?

Is discussing sports on an online message board good for society or does that count as a vice also? Is debating people on Realgm a healthy behavior?

[Ambrose]

Not to say this isn't deserved, because it is, but I wonder what the NBA would have done or do if this was someone like Lebron James or an upcoming superstar like Wembanyama. Someone like Jontay Porter is essentially a nobody, so it's easy to just lifetime ban him.

They're probably thrilled it's Jontay so they can set the precedent now and scare off any big name from doing it.

[PushDaRock]

i'm guessing this has happened before but the league would have no way of knowing.

this is being blamed on the league being partnered with sports books but in reality i think that partnership is the only reason why this was caught. you think porter wasn't going to find other ways to bet if the nba didn't have fanduel commercials?

from a societal standpoint i think the easy access to betting, in general, is yet another vector for instant gratification / dopamine burst that is increasingly pervasive in everyday lives. is that good or bad? who knows.

Gambling has been around in society since Paleolithic times. The only difference now is really that it's become more socially acceptable. This isn't a trend that's going away, it will only get stronger.

[slick_watts]

Gambling has been around in society since Paleolithic times. The only difference now is really that it's become more socially acceptable. This isn't a trend that's going away, it will only get stronger.

i'm not morally opposed to gambling, but the easy access to it on mobile devices and low barrier to entry aligns with the more general trend of servicing instant gratification imo.

[reddyplayerone]

How is gambling on sports is being a scumbag. What?

About initial post, rules are placed now and teams need to disclose most of that information before hand, so there is not that much you can hack that at least bookers already wouldn't know.

Also, they are smart. These bets often have many qualifiers now, because they were burned in the oast when public receives info and acts faster than bookies do. Now they just have qualifiers.

What more need be said? Gambling is degenerate behavior. Same with cheating on your wife. Or whatever other social norms we have created in the last 200,000 years that we look at as bad for these reasons. You do you...I don't care. But lets not act like it's acceptable behavior. It's no better than doing drugs to your health. It's just another way to get your brain to push out excess stimulants to feel good in an unhealthy way.

It's an addictive vice that has massive negatives and has no real benefits to society or the individual.

Caffeine, alcohol, social media, and McDonald’s are also addictive. If someone has caffeine, alcohol, social media, or McDonald’s does that make them a scumbag? Can all those things be compared to cheating on your wife, or is it okay in moderation and something that only a Puritan would condemn?

Is discussing sports on an online message board good for society or does that count as a vice also? Is debating people on Realgm a healthy behavior?

They should consider taking steroids to make themselves feel better, or something

[docholliday99]

Should be some context in here for some. Gambling is not illegal when regulated but gambling on the outcome of a game where you can influence that outcome, is a criminal violation, will most likely be charged and you will be suspended or banned from that sport. Integrity of the game has come into question. Steroids are the same, many people take them legally when it's regulated, but when you take them illegally where you can influence the outcome of the game, it's a criminal violation, you could be charged criminally and you will be suspended or banned from that sport. Integrity of the game has come into question.


My question now is how long will it take the league to start investigation Jontay's brother, Michael. Maybe they won't, can you imagine what would happen if he's involved in any way?

[ChuckChilly]

Where's the Lifetime ban for beating your wife?

Gambling messes with the integrity of the game. There will be nothing to ban people from if the league doesn't exist in the first place.

[PushDaRock]

Gambling has been around in society since Paleolithic times. The only difference now is really that it's become more socially acceptable. This isn't a trend that's going away, it will only get stronger.

i'm not morally opposed to gambling, but the easy access to it on mobile devices and low barrier to entry aligns with the more general trend of servicing instant gratification imo.

It's just how our brains are naturally wired through evolution to seek the easiest path which is also often the most instantly gratifying one in that moment.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Where's the Lifetime ban for beating your wife?

That's a criminal offense, totally not related to the NBA, that is being dealt primarily in the criminal court.
Porter went straight against what is the NBA responsibility to regulate.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

"Don't gamble but you can beat your wife or strangle / hit other players"

Adam Silver

Yeah, totally there have been totally no consequences for Bridges

[Chuck Everett]

Should be some context in here for some. Gambling is not illegal when regulated but gambling on the outcome of a game where you can influence that outcome, is a criminal violation, will most likely be charged and you will be suspended or banned from that sport. Integrity of the game has come into question. Steroids are the same, many people take them legally when it's regulated, but when you take them illegally where you can influence the outcome of the game, it's a criminal violation, you could be charged criminally and you will be suspended or banned from that sport. Integrity of the game has come into question.


My question now is how long will it take the league to start investigation Jontay's brother, Michael. Maybe they won't, can you imagine what would happen if he's involved in any way?

They probably won't. This investigation began with the bookmakers before becoming a league issue. Now, if in the discovery process they also found links to MPJ, that would be different. But through this entire thing, not once did the league nor Silver mention him.

[Johnny Bball]

i'm guessing this has happened before but the league would have no way of knowing.

this is being blamed on the league being partnered with sports books but in reality i think that partnership is the only reason why this was caught. you think porter wasn't going to find other ways to bet if the nba didn't have fanduel commercials?

from a societal standpoint i think the easy access to betting, in general, is yet another vector for instant gratification / dopamine burst that is increasingly pervasive in everyday lives. is that good or bad? who knows.

Yep. Its the NBA ignoring this and hiding this over decades that led here.

[UcanUwill]

How is gambling on sports is being a scumbag. What?

About initial post, rules are placed now and teams need to disclose most of that information before hand, so there is not that much you can hack that at least bookers already wouldn't know.

Also, they are smart. These bets often have many qualifiers now, because they were burned in the oast when public receives info and acts faster than bookies do. Now they just have qualifiers.

What more need be said? Gambling is degenerate behavior. Same with cheating on your wife. Or whatever other social norms we have created in the last 200,000 years that we look at as bad for these reasons. You do you...I don't care. But lets not act like it's acceptable behavior. It's no better than doing drugs to your health. It's just another way to get your brain to push out excess stimulants to feel good in an unhealthy way.

It's an addictive vice that has massive negatives and has no real benefits to society or the individual.

Caffeine, alcohol, social media, and McDonald’s are also addictive. If someone has caffeine, alcohol, social media, or McDonald’s does that make them a scumbag? Can all those things be compared to cheating on your wife, or is it okay in moderation and something that only a Puritan would condemn?

Is discussing sports on an online message board good for society or does that count as a vice also? Is debating people on Realgm a healthy behavior?

Great comment. To be so absolute and so intolerant to a point calling sports betting degenerate and comparing sports betting to cheating on love one, simply put was an asinine take.

I don't even like gambling much myself, as stated, I would rarely do, but i didn't know I was generate scum until now. I do not like many things. Alcohol for one, both my parents where alcoholics. If it was banned I seriously wouldn't even care that much, not sure why it was ever a thing, but I never reached a point where I saw person buy a beer, and thought he was degenerate who might as well cheat on his wife. How do you cross the line where you proclaim hobby like that, a scumbag degenerate activity? It is outstanding hatefill take.

[Rich Rane]

They are not punishing player for betting, players can bet, it is legal hobby. He is getting punished for fixing his own games for betting reasons, do you really do not see the difference?

NBA players can't bet on games in the NBA or its partners (WNBA, G-League, Summer League, etc.).

I mean, they also advertise beer but don’t condone underage drinking or drunk driving.

Let me know when the NBA bans players indefinitely for drinking. I will also laugh if an NBA player is banned for that with official alcohol partners Hennessy and Michelob being advertised before, during, and after that report.

[dhsilv2]

How is gambling on sports is being a scumbag. What?

About initial post, rules are placed now and teams need to disclose most of that information before hand, so there is not that much you can hack that at least bookers already wouldn't know.

Also, they are smart. These bets often have many qualifiers now, because they were burned in the oast when public receives info and acts faster than bookies do. Now they just have qualifiers.

What more need be said? Gambling is degenerate behavior. Same with cheating on your wife. Or whatever other social norms we have created in the last 200,000 years that we look at as bad for these reasons. You do you...I don't care. But lets not act like it's acceptable behavior. It's no better than doing drugs to your health. It's just another way to get your brain to push out excess stimulants to feel good in an unhealthy way.

It's an addictive vice that has massive negatives and has no real benefits to society or the individual.

Well, you can say that about most modern and not modern amenities. I almost never bet on sports, but during major FIFA tournaments, I usually pick at least one team I like, since I don't have my own fandom one, and place a bet on them winning, so I would find tournament more interesting and I would have team to cheer for and simply be on a ball while the rest of the world cheering for their own guys.

I really do not see how that makes me a degenerate. Are people who eat cake and drink alcohol on special occasions also degenerate? That stuff also addicting, unhealthy and often worse.

As a somewhat well known high end whisky reviewer, 100% yes those are degenerate behaviors. I clearly said "you do you". I'm not here to judge people, but we should understand they are not things we should push as social norms or market to through means that the general public see. And again, I say this as someone who gets actually paid to review whisky (not for a living...but I'm technically a professional in the sense I get tens and tens of dollars and thousands of people know me, lol).

And I think you'll get my point but for others reading this. I'm not calling anyone a bad person for gambling. It's just degenerate behavor - or more to my point "having lost the moral qualities considered desirable in society"