Onus wrote:vvoland wrote:I also don't think it's clear that Franz will become the better player. It was obvious last year but became less obvious during JKs Jan/Feb this season. It may be just a coincidence that the minute the magic's games started to matter, Franz's shot fell off a cliff. We'll see him in the playoffs this year so it''ll make some things clear. Franz has also had all the minutes he could handle in his first 3 seasons. Would he look anywhere near the player he became with the magic if he was stuck behind wigs, klay, beli, gp2, opj, dray and let's not forget anthony lamb during his first two seasons?
It's not even about who will become the better player 10 years from now. It really should've been who will help the team win another championship. I don't think it's particular close that Franz has had a better 3 years than JK. Franz is also playing with a worse team and out of position to accommodate Paolo. That's what's so appealing about Franz his skillset is really that of a complementary player. He's a great off ball defender. He knows how to move on ball and off ball on offense. Passes and sets screens. Maybe Franz doesn't play his first year since OPJ was really good for us. But he's playing over Lamb without a doubt.Pretty sure murphy would be better than moody in any situation but the rest of this board is much higher on MM than I am. Not sure Sengun is allowed to crater the defense and make as many mistakes as the focal point of the offense on this team. Actually, I am sure - he would not be allowed to do any of that. Hindsight is 20/20 and missing on picks hurt. Getting literally 0 value back for wiseman was awful. Not the drafting but not recognizing soon enough he wouldn't fit and moving him for something that can contribute (hell, even sadiq bey would have been preferable to gp2, whom they could have just signed).
The real move that draft year would have been drafting lamelo and moving him the following summer. That take a level of prescience that I can't blame Meyers for not having.
Sengun would be different for sure. Who knows how he would've developed here. We did start Wiseman though even though he wasn't ready.
The wiseman draft we know the picks and players weren't highly sought after. The rumored offer was #4 + WCJ for #2. Like meh. Yea it would've been better to do that in hindsight but that's a hard sell so whatever.
You're right that there's no world where JK had a better first 3 years than Franz did. But we did win a title, that year, specifically. I'm saying that bringing a player like Franz may have been a detriment to winning that season. Not playing JK was fine in year 1 and giving him just spot minutes here and there worked well enough to not disrupt whatever chemistry the team had.
Franz would demand more playing time because he was more NBA ready. Would wigs still play like he did that playoff run if he has Franz breathing down his neck, or possibly even taking his minutes. We know dray's love of white euros at the 3/4/5 spots. Would he still be a dominant defensive presence if Franz is taking some of Dray's minutes?
I'm not saying winning that year absolves the FO. I'm saying we can't just say "draft franz, we still win a ring and we're better set up for the future."