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Post#1441 » by youngRAPZ » Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:21 pm

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Don't give people any ideas... I'm still getting over people trying to tell me that the Koloko pick was the same as having the 1st rounder that year to justify the Thad trade lol.


Tbf who did we miss out on? Kessler?


You can try to downplay Kessler but he’s one of the best rim protectors in the league (better than Yak) and we also likely wouldn’t have ironically needed* to trade this pick for Jakob and not have to ever worry about conveying anything…and not overpaying Poeltl on a contract that will be hard to move, meanwhile Kessler would be cheaper right now and perfectly on Scottie’s timeline to grow, develop with him for years to come. That could’ve had a more substantial impact than you’re trying to portray it to be.

I bet you the raptors still select CK over Kessler even if we kept the pick. That’s who they were targeting hence why they traded the pick in the first place :roll: the FO thought they were getting a veteran leader and rotation piece along with their guy in the draft. Sure Thad didn’t workout as a rotation piece but he provided vet leadership and had CK not developed a rare condition that no one could have predicted I’m sure the gap between Kessler and him would be minor.
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Post#1442 » by Smalltown » Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:13 pm

youngRAPZ wrote:I bet you the raptors still select CK over Kessler even if we kept the pick. That’s who they were targeting hence why they traded the pick in the first place


100%. That was the guy they wanted. Right or wrong that was the target.
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Post#1443 » by JB7 » Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:27 pm

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Don't give people any ideas... I'm still getting over people trying to tell me that the Koloko pick was the same as having the 1st rounder that year to justify the Thad trade lol.


Tbf who did we miss out on? Kessler?


You can try to downplay Kessler but he’s one of the best rim protectors in the league (better than Yak) and we also likely wouldn’t have ironically needed* to trade this pick for Jakob and not have to ever worry about conveying anything…and not overpaying Poeltl on a contract that will be hard to move, meanwhile Kessler would be cheaper right now and perfectly on Scottie’s timeline to grow, develop with him for years to come. That could’ve had a more substantial impact than you’re trying to portray it to be.


Kessler's numbers all generally dropped across the board this year. Even his playing time only went up slightly from 23 mins in his rookie season to 23.3 mins per game this season. This is what most teams saw. Great around the basket for blocks, rebounds or dunks, but useless outside the restricted area. In a game that has moved further away from the restricted area for scoring, he is not the type of C you want to build around. That's why they targeted Koloko. They thought that like Gobert, he could guard both the restricted area, as well as guard out to the perimeter, and that on O, he wouldn't need to live under the basket, taking away the ability for the teams guards/wings to drive to the basket.
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Post#1444 » by PhilBlackson » Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:33 pm

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Tbf who did we miss out on? Kessler?


You can try to downplay Kessler but he’s one of the best rim protectors in the league (better than Yak) and we also likely wouldn’t have ironically needed* to trade this pick for Jakob and not have to ever worry about conveying anything…and not overpaying Poeltl on a contract that will be hard to move, meanwhile Kessler would be cheaper right now and perfectly on Scottie’s timeline to grow, develop with him for years to come. That could’ve had a more substantial impact than you’re trying to portray it to be.


Kessler's numbers all generally dropped across the board this year. Even his playing time only went up slightly from 23 mins in his rookie season to 23.3 mins per game this season. This is what most teams saw. Great around the basket for blocks, rebounds or dunks, but useless outside the restricted area. In a game that has moved further away from the restricted area for scoring, he is not the type of C you want to build around. That's why they targeted Koloko. They thought that like Gobert, he could guard both the restricted area, as well as guard out to the perimeter, and that on O, he wouldn't need to live under the basket, taking away the ability for the teams guards/wings to drive to the basket.


Nonetheless it's the same role Poeltl is playing now except Kessler is actually a better shot blocker, cheaper, would have long term to develop with all of these guys & when Koloko did play his impact wasn't anywhere near comparable to Kessler sooooo?!?
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Post#1445 » by youngRAPZ » Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:37 pm

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You can try to downplay Kessler but he’s one of the best rim protectors in the league (better than Yak) and we also likely wouldn’t have ironically needed* to trade this pick for Jakob and not have to ever worry about conveying anything…and not overpaying Poeltl on a contract that will be hard to move, meanwhile Kessler would be cheaper right now and perfectly on Scottie’s timeline to grow, develop with him for years to come. That could’ve had a more substantial impact than you’re trying to portray it to be.


Kessler's numbers all generally dropped across the board this year. Even his playing time only went up slightly from 23 mins in his rookie season to 23.3 mins per game this season. This is what most teams saw. Great around the basket for blocks, rebounds or dunks, but useless outside the restricted area. In a game that has moved further away from the restricted area for scoring, he is not the type of C you want to build around. That's why they targeted Koloko. They thought that like Gobert, he could guard both the restricted area, as well as guard out to the perimeter, and that on O, he wouldn't need to live under the basket, taking away the ability for the teams guards/wings to drive to the basket.


Nonetheless it's the same role Poeltl is playing now except Kessler is actually a better shot blocker & when Koloko did play his impact wasn't anywhere near comparable to Kessler sooooo?!?

Kessler would’ve never been on the team get over it now Jesus. No FO bats 1000 GET OVER IT!
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Post#1446 » by PhilBlackson » Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:43 pm

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PhilBlackson wrote:
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Kessler's numbers all generally dropped across the board this year. Even his playing time only went up slightly from 23 mins in his rookie season to 23.3 mins per game this season. This is what most teams saw. Great around the basket for blocks, rebounds or dunks, but useless outside the restricted area. In a game that has moved further away from the restricted area for scoring, he is not the type of C you want to build around. That's why they targeted Koloko. They thought that like Gobert, he could guard both the restricted area, as well as guard out to the perimeter, and that on O, he wouldn't need to live under the basket, taking away the ability for the teams guards/wings to drive to the basket.


Nonetheless it's the same role Poeltl is playing now except Kessler is actually a better shot blocker & when Koloko did play his impact wasn't anywhere near comparable to Kessler sooooo?!?

Kessler would’ve never been on the team get over it now Jesus. No FO bats 1000 GET OVER IT!


That's hilarious because I didn't bring his name into the conversation :lol: so I am well "over it".

I simply responded to a poster that downplayed Kessler and what drafting him could've meant but of course posters like you want to cry & get upset about it when some of us don't praise every move this FO makes. I don't at all expect them to "bat 1000" and the irony is the point is getting some of you to admit that they haven't and not everything they've done is great and that you don't have to downplay other players etc to try & "justify" why the FO was supposedly right when they clearly weren't.

For me, I was frustrated in the moment and I'm past it, I'm just saying let's not downplay things just because we always want to protect our FO, it's OK to admit they made some mistakes/missteps along the way. I don't hate them for it, I'm just not pretending like they got it right.
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Post#1447 » by aminiaturebuddha » Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:43 pm

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You can try to downplay Kessler but he’s one of the best rim protectors in the league (better than Yak) and we also likely wouldn’t have ironically needed* to trade this pick for Jakob and not have to ever worry about conveying anything…and not overpaying Poeltl on a contract that will be hard to move, meanwhile Kessler would be cheaper right now and perfectly on Scottie’s timeline to grow, develop with him for years to come. That could’ve had a more substantial impact than you’re trying to portray it to be.


Kessler's numbers all generally dropped across the board this year. Even his playing time only went up slightly from 23 mins in his rookie season to 23.3 mins per game this season. This is what most teams saw. Great around the basket for blocks, rebounds or dunks, but useless outside the restricted area. In a game that has moved further away from the restricted area for scoring, he is not the type of C you want to build around. That's why they targeted Koloko. They thought that like Gobert, he could guard both the restricted area, as well as guard out to the perimeter, and that on O, he wouldn't need to live under the basket, taking away the ability for the teams guards/wings to drive to the basket.


Nonetheless it's the same role Poeltl is playing now except Kessler is actually a better shot blocker, cheaper, would have long term to develop with all of these guys & when Koloko did play his impact wasn't anywhere near comparable to Kessler sooooo?!?


It's not quite the same role because Kessler isn't the nearly the passer that Poeltl is. Poeltl's AST% is almost 3 times that of Kessler. And in the offence they're running, that's fairly important.
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Post#1448 » by Psubs » Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:44 pm

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Tbf who did we miss out on? Kessler?


You can try to downplay Kessler but he’s one of the best rim protectors in the league (better than Yak) and we also likely wouldn’t have ironically needed* to trade this pick for Jakob and not have to ever worry about conveying anything…and not overpaying Poeltl on a contract that will be hard to move, meanwhile Kessler would be cheaper right now and perfectly on Scottie’s timeline to grow, develop with him for years to come. That could’ve had a more substantial impact than you’re trying to portray it to be.


Kessler's numbers all generally dropped across the board this year. Even his playing time only went up slightly from 23 mins in his rookie season to 23.3 mins per game this season. This is what most teams saw. Great around the basket for blocks, rebounds or dunks, but useless outside the restricted area. In a game that has moved further away from the restricted area for scoring, he is not the type of C you want to build around. That's why they targeted Koloko. They thought that like Gobert, he could guard both the restricted area, as well as guard out to the perimeter, and that on O, he wouldn't need to live under the basket, taking away the ability for the teams guards/wings to drive to the basket.


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Post#1449 » by brownbobcat » Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:48 pm

youngRAPZ wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
Tbf who did we miss out on? Kessler?


You can try to downplay Kessler but he’s one of the best rim protectors in the league (better than Yak) and we also likely wouldn’t have ironically needed* to trade this pick for Jakob and not have to ever worry about conveying anything…and not overpaying Poeltl on a contract that will be hard to move, meanwhile Kessler would be cheaper right now and perfectly on Scottie’s timeline to grow, develop with him for years to come. That could’ve had a more substantial impact than you’re trying to portray it to be.

I bet you the raptors still select CK over Kessler even if we kept the pick. That’s who they were targeting hence why they traded the pick in the first place :roll: the FO thought they were getting a veteran leader and rotation piece along with their guy in the draft. Sure Thad didn’t workout as a rotation piece but he provided vet leadership and had CK not developed a rare condition that no one could have predicted I’m sure the gap between Kessler and him would be minor.

Here we go again with the excuses.

Thad didn't cost a FRP.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not Masai's fault.
And if it was, he didn't mean it.
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Post#1450 » by youngRAPZ » Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:49 pm

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youngRAPZ wrote:
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Nonetheless it's the same role Poeltl is playing now except Kessler is actually a better shot blocker & when Koloko did play his impact wasn't anywhere near comparable to Kessler sooooo?!?

Kessler would’ve never been on the team get over it now Jesus. No FO bats 1000 GET OVER IT!


That's hilarious because I didn't bring his name into the conversation :lol: so I am well "over it".

I simply responded to a poster that downplayed Kessler and what drafting him could've meant but of course posters like you want to cry & get upset about it when some of us don't praise every move this FO makes. I don't at all expect them to "bat 1000" and the irony is the point is getting some of you to admit that they haven't and not everything they've done is great and that you don't have to downplay other players etc to try & "justify" why the FO was supposedly right when they clearly weren't.

For me, I was frustrated in the moment and I'm past it, I'm just saying let's not downplay things just because we always want to protect our FO, it's OK to admit they made some mistakes/missteps along the way. I don't hate them for it, I'm just not pretending like they got it right.

Who’s trying to justify anything. My point is the Thad trade happened 2 years ago none of us can change it. You won’t find a post from me saying the Thad or the Jak trade was good or even decent value but brother we can not change the past it happened. We all complained for weeks after the trades. It’s now more than a year since both trades lol why are people still complaining about something that can not be changed lol it’s done folks move on.
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Post#1451 » by JB7 » Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:56 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:
JB7 wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
You can try to downplay Kessler but he’s one of the best rim protectors in the league (better than Yak) and we also likely wouldn’t have ironically needed* to trade this pick for Jakob and not have to ever worry about conveying anything…and not overpaying Poeltl on a contract that will be hard to move, meanwhile Kessler would be cheaper right now and perfectly on Scottie’s timeline to grow, develop with him for years to come. That could’ve had a more substantial impact than you’re trying to portray it to be.


Kessler's numbers all generally dropped across the board this year. Even his playing time only went up slightly from 23 mins in his rookie season to 23.3 mins per game this season. This is what most teams saw. Great around the basket for blocks, rebounds or dunks, but useless outside the restricted area. In a game that has moved further away from the restricted area for scoring, he is not the type of C you want to build around. That's why they targeted Koloko. They thought that like Gobert, he could guard both the restricted area, as well as guard out to the perimeter, and that on O, he wouldn't need to live under the basket, taking away the ability for the teams guards/wings to drive to the basket.


Nonetheless it's the same role Poeltl is playing now except Kessler is actually a better shot blocker, cheaper, would have long term to develop with all of these guys & when Koloko did play his impact wasn't anywhere near comparable to Kessler sooooo?!?


Yak is better at guarding out on the perimeter than Kessler, and also can do things from the top of the key on O (passing), that Kessler can't. Yak is not the final solution for a long playoff run, he was a better stop gap at C until they thought Koloko could be developed into that solution, but an extremely unfortunate health issue derailed that plan.

The team clearly could not be competitive without a competent C. And Masai believes in developing players under a winning situation, rather than trying to bottom out every year for a high draft pick.
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Post#1452 » by PhilBlackson » Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:57 pm

youngRAPZ wrote:
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youngRAPZ wrote:Kessler would’ve never been on the team get over it now Jesus. No FO bats 1000 GET OVER IT!


That's hilarious because I didn't bring his name into the conversation :lol: so I am well "over it".

I simply responded to a poster that downplayed Kessler and what drafting him could've meant but of course posters like you want to cry & get upset about it when some of us don't praise every move this FO makes. I don't at all expect them to "bat 1000" and the irony is the point is getting some of you to admit that they haven't and not everything they've done is great and that you don't have to downplay other players etc to try & "justify" why the FO was supposedly right when they clearly weren't.

For me, I was frustrated in the moment and I'm past it, I'm just saying let's not downplay things just because we always want to protect our FO, it's OK to admit they made some mistakes/missteps along the way. I don't hate them for it, I'm just not pretending like they got it right.

Who’s trying to justify anything. My point is the Thad trade happened 2 years ago none of us can change it. You won’t find a post from me saying the Thad or the Jak trade was good or even decent value but brother we can not change the past it happened. We all complained for weeks after the trades. It’s now more than a year since both trades lol why are people still complaining about something that can not be changed lol it’s done folks move on.


Then you should be using this response to the poster that ACTUALLY brought Kessler's name into the conversation when he downplayed him lol do you understand that?!

Otherwise I would not have RESPONDED (as in I didn't bring this topic up lol) to it and it wouldn't even have been a minor conversation, so direct this fumble of a complaint elsewhere. I just don't like when people love to downplay mistakes our FO has made. Like I said, it's fine they have, it's completely understandable because no FO is perfect at all times but posters like that need to cut the nonsense like it's not something that could've really altered things now when it so clearly could've. End of story, now take a perc or something and calm down.
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Post#1453 » by youngRAPZ » Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:05 pm

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youngRAPZ wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
That's hilarious because I didn't bring his name into the conversation :lol: so I am well "over it".

I simply responded to a poster that downplayed Kessler and what drafting him could've meant but of course posters like you want to cry & get upset about it when some of us don't praise every move this FO makes. I don't at all expect them to "bat 1000" and the irony is the point is getting some of you to admit that they haven't and not everything they've done is great and that you don't have to downplay other players etc to try & "justify" why the FO was supposedly right when they clearly weren't.

For me, I was frustrated in the moment and I'm past it, I'm just saying let's not downplay things just because we always want to protect our FO, it's OK to admit they made some mistakes/missteps along the way. I don't hate them for it, I'm just not pretending like they got it right.

Who’s trying to justify anything. My point is the Thad trade happened 2 years ago none of us can change it. You won’t find a post from me saying the Thad or the Jak trade was good or even decent value but brother we can not change the past it happened. We all complained for weeks after the trades. It’s now more than a year since both trades lol why are people still complaining about something that can not be changed lol it’s done folks move on.


Then you should be using this response to the poster that ACTUALLY brought Kessler's name into the conversation when he downplayed him lol do you understand that?!

Otherwise I would not have RESPONDED (as in I didn't bring this topic up lol) to it and it wouldn't even have been a minor conversation, so direct this fumble of a complaint elsewhere. I just don't like when people love to downplay mistakes our FO has made. Like I said, it's fine they have, it's completely understandable because no FO is perfect at all times but posters like that need to cut the nonsense like it's not something that could've really altered things now when it so clearly could've. End of story, now take a perc or something and calm down.

lol the poster asked a legitimate question. Who did we miss out on. If you think Kessler is some can’t miss prospect then good on you continue to be upset we passed on drafting him and would’ve even if we kept the pick.

Was you going this hard for the raptors to draft Kessler before the draft or are you using your revisionist history that the front office didn’t have access to?
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Post#1454 » by Psubs » Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:14 pm

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Nonetheless it's the same role Poeltl is playing now except Kessler is actually a better shot blocker & when Koloko did play his impact wasn't anywhere near comparable to Kessler sooooo?!?

Kessler would’ve never been on the team get over it now Jesus. No FO bats 1000 GET OVER IT!


That's hilarious because I didn't bring his name into the conversation :lol: so I am well "over it".

I simply responded to a poster that downplayed Kessler and what drafting him could've meant but of course posters like you want to cry & get upset about it when some of us don't praise every move this FO makes. I don't at all expect them to "bat 1000" and the irony is the point is getting some of you to admit that they haven't and not everything they've done is great and that you don't have to downplay other players etc to try & "justify" why the FO was supposedly right when they clearly weren't.

For me, I was frustrated in the moment and I'm past it, I'm just saying let's not downplay things just because we always want to protect our FO, it's OK to admit they made some mistakes/missteps along the way. I don't hate them for it, I'm just not pretending like they got it right.


I really wanted Walker Kessler but if not going for a C, I really really wanted Nikola Jovic. :nod: Jovic is now starting for Miami while Jacquez went to the bench. After his 2nd year, he put up an A/T of 2 and could potentially be a better 3pt shooting Franz Wagner.
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Post#1455 » by PhilBlackson » Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:21 pm

youngRAPZ wrote:
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youngRAPZ wrote:Who’s trying to justify anything. My point is the Thad trade happened 2 years ago none of us can change it. You won’t find a post from me saying the Thad or the Jak trade was good or even decent value but brother we can not change the past it happened. We all complained for weeks after the trades. It’s now more than a year since both trades lol why are people still complaining about something that can not be changed lol it’s done folks move on.


Then you should be using this response to the poster that ACTUALLY brought Kessler's name into the conversation when he downplayed him lol do you understand that?!

Otherwise I would not have RESPONDED (as in I didn't bring this topic up lol) to it and it wouldn't even have been a minor conversation, so direct this fumble of a complaint elsewhere. I just don't like when people love to downplay mistakes our FO has made. Like I said, it's fine they have, it's completely understandable because no FO is perfect at all times but posters like that need to cut the nonsense like it's not something that could've really altered things now when it so clearly could've. End of story, now take a perc or something and calm down.

lol the poster asked a legitimate question. Who did we miss out on. If you think Kessler is some can’t miss prospect then good on you continue to be upset we passed on drafting him and would’ve even if we kept the pick.

Was you going this hard for the raptors to draft Kessler before the draft or are you using your revisionist history that the front office didn’t have access to?


You're telling me to "get over it" yet again ironically you're still going on about this :lol: how dumb is that?! lol

Then you're trying to antagonize "then good on you continue to be upset" (again very ironic) when I literally just said it's FINE and COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE, it would be great if you actually read what's said. The rest of your post is just more nonsense trying to bait me into further debating something again which you said to let go lol do you know what you're saying or doing anymore?!?? So sweet baby Jesus, again take a perc or something to simmah you down a bit because clearly you're triggered.

lol it’s done folks move on.
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Post#1456 » by youngRAPZ » Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:34 pm

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youngRAPZ wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
Then you should be using this response to the poster that ACTUALLY brought Kessler's name into the conversation when he downplayed him lol do you understand that?!

Otherwise I would not have RESPONDED (as in I didn't bring this topic up lol) to it and it wouldn't even have been a minor conversation, so direct this fumble of a complaint elsewhere. I just don't like when people love to downplay mistakes our FO has made. Like I said, it's fine they have, it's completely understandable because no FO is perfect at all times but posters like that need to cut the nonsense like it's not something that could've really altered things now when it so clearly could've. End of story, now take a perc or something and calm down.

lol the poster asked a legitimate question. Who did we miss out on. If you think Kessler is some can’t miss prospect then good on you continue to be upset we passed on drafting him and would’ve even if we kept the pick.

Was you going this hard for the raptors to draft Kessler before the draft or are you using your revisionist history that the front office didn’t have access to?


You're telling me to "get over it" yet again ironically you're still going on about this :lol: how dumb is that?! lol

Then you're trying to antagonize "then good on you continue to be upset" (again very ironic) when I literally just said it's FINE and COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE, it would be great if you actually read what's said. The rest of your post is just more nonsense trying to bait me into further debating something again which you said to let go lol do you know what you're saying or doing anymore?!?? So sweet baby Jesus, again take a perc or something to simmah you down a bit because clearly you're triggered.

lol it’s done folks move on.

Lol ok so show me where in that last post I told you to get over it again as you claim.

Also maybe it is you that needs to learn to read.
The rest of your post is just more nonsense trying to bait me into further debating something again which you said to let go

I told you to let go of complaining about a trade that happened 2 years ago my post here was simply questioning how asking a legitimate question as to who did we miss out on is so triggering for you as if Kessler is Jokic.

Maybe you should stop taking percs and offering it to sober ppl and consider taking some time for your mental health. I mean the fact that you’re complaining about a move a sports team did 2 years ago your life must be pretty shallow. Get out more sir.
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Re: Pacers Pick Tracking 

Post#1457 » by PhilBlackson » Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:00 pm

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youngRAPZ wrote:lol the poster asked a legitimate question. Who did we miss out on. If you think Kessler is some can’t miss prospect then good on you continue to be upset we passed on drafting him and would’ve even if we kept the pick.

Was you going this hard for the raptors to draft Kessler before the draft or are you using your revisionist history that the front office didn’t have access to?


You're telling me to "get over it" yet again ironically you're still going on about this :lol: how dumb is that?! lol

Then you're trying to antagonize "then good on you continue to be upset" (again very ironic) when I literally just said it's FINE and COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE, it would be great if you actually read what's said. The rest of your post is just more nonsense trying to bait me into further debating something again which you said to let go lol do you know what you're saying or doing anymore?!?? So sweet baby Jesus, again take a perc or something to simmah you down a bit because clearly you're triggered.

lol it’s done folks move on.

Lol ok so show me where in that last post I told you to get over it again as you claim.

Also maybe it is you that needs to learn to read.
The rest of your post is just more nonsense trying to bait me into further debating something again which you said to let go

I told you to let go of complaining about a trade that happened 2 years ago my post here was simply questioning how asking a legitimate question as to who did we miss out on is so triggering for you as if Kessler is Jokic.

Maybe you should stop taking percs and offering it to sober ppl and consider taking some time for your mental health. I mean the fact that you’re complaining about a move a sports team did 2 years ago your life must be pretty shallow. Get out more sir.


Firstly it's laughable and sad how unoriginal your "comebacks" are that I tell you to take something to chill out, then the best you can come up with is to try and say the opposite lol "get out more" :lol: but nonetheless you do legitimately need to relax because it's really not that serious.

You ask where you said to "get over" it and then you literally go on to say "I told you to let go of complaining about a trade that happened 2 years ago..." and I just quoted you saying "lol it's done folks move on".....do you not understand the english language?! lol Those are literally synonyms for "get over" :lol: but here it is in black & white for you too...

youngRAPZ wrote:Kessler would’ve never been on the team get over it now Jesus. No FO bats 1000 GET OVER IT!



:lol: :lol: THERE IT IS^^ you're again showing that you literally have no idea what you're even saying, it's embarrassing.

The continued crazy thing about it is if you just had some reading comprehension you could have saved yourself blowing that last brain cell of yours with how clearly triggered you are. You're still going on about supposedly me "complaining" when in reality I ALREADY highlighted and underlined for you that I've now said multiple times it's fine & completely understandable that they've made missteps but you're just so stuck in this childish hissy fit that you're so caught up on wanting to make smart ass comments and ironically just looking dumber & dumber.

For the last time, the poster downplayed Kessler, I responded because it's silly to do so when we can all just accept our FO isn't perfect, I've now said over & over that its fine/understandable that they don't always get it right and your reading comprehension continues to fail you as you continue to work yourself up for no reason when no one is "complaining" or "not letting go", I'm not even discussing Kessler but how sadly you can't seem to comprehend what's been said, I've said my piece and have tried to move on several times but you ironically keep dragging this along. Now please STFU and actually "let go", "move on" or whatever ironic suggestion you want to make lol
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Re: Pacers Pick Tracking 

Post#1458 » by WaltFrazier » Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:10 pm

brownbobcat wrote:
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You can try to downplay Kessler but he’s one of the best rim protectors in the league (better than Yak) and we also likely wouldn’t have ironically needed* to trade this pick for Jakob and not have to ever worry about conveying anything…and not overpaying Poeltl on a contract that will be hard to move, meanwhile Kessler would be cheaper right now and perfectly on Scottie’s timeline to grow, develop with him for years to come. That could’ve had a more substantial impact than you’re trying to portray it to be.

I bet you the raptors still select CK over Kessler even if we kept the pick. That’s who they were targeting hence why they traded the pick in the first place :roll: the FO thought they were getting a veteran leader and rotation piece along with their guy in the draft. Sure Thad didn’t workout as a rotation piece but he provided vet leadership and had CK not developed a rare condition that no one could have predicted I’m sure the gap between Kessler and him would be minor.

Here we go again with the excuses.

Thad didn't cost a FRP.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not Masai's fault.
And if it was, he didn't mean it.


The great thing for Masai defenders is they can't be proven wrong now. That's veteran mentor effect can't be measured, and we'll never know how good Koloko would have become.
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Re: Pacers Pick Tracking 

Post#1459 » by youngRAPZ » Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:14 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:
youngRAPZ wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
You're telling me to "get over it" yet again ironically you're still going on about this :lol: how dumb is that?! lol

Then you're trying to antagonize "then good on you continue to be upset" (again very ironic) when I literally just said it's FINE and COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE, it would be great if you actually read what's said. The rest of your post is just more nonsense trying to bait me into further debating something again which you said to let go lol do you know what you're saying or doing anymore?!?? So sweet baby Jesus, again take a perc or something to simmah you down a bit because clearly you're triggered.


Lol ok so show me where in that last post I told you to get over it again as you claim.

Also maybe it is you that needs to learn to read.
The rest of your post is just more nonsense trying to bait me into further debating something again which you said to let go

I told you to let go of complaining about a trade that happened 2 years ago my post here was simply questioning how asking a legitimate question as to who did we miss out on is so triggering for you as if Kessler is Jokic.

Maybe you should stop taking percs and offering it to sober ppl and consider taking some time for your mental health. I mean the fact that you’re complaining about a move a sports team did 2 years ago your life must be pretty shallow. Get out more sir.


Firstly it's laughable and sad how unoriginal your "comebacks" are that I tell you to take something to chill out, then the best you can come up with is to try and say the opposite lol "get out more" :lol: but nonetheless you do legitimately need to relax because it's really not that serious.

You ask where you said to "get over" it and then you literally go on to say "I told you to let go of complaining about a trade that happened 2 years ago..." and I just quoted you saying "lol it's done folks move on".....do you not understand the english language?! lol Those are literally synonyms for "get over" :lol: but here it is in black & white for you too...

youngRAPZ wrote:Kessler would’ve never been on the team get over it now Jesus. No FO bats 1000 GET OVER IT!



:lol: :lol: good lord are you ever dense, you're again showing that you literally have no idea what you're even saying.

The continued crazy thing about it is if you just had some reading comprehension you could have saved yourself blowing that last brain cell of yours with how clearly triggered you are. You're still going on about supposedly me "complaining" when in reality I ALREADY highlighted and underlined for you that I've now said multiple times it's fine & completely understandable that they've made missteps but you're just so stuck in this childish hissy fit that you're so caught up on wanting to make smart ass comments and ironically just looking dumber & dumber.

For the last time, the poster downplayed Kessler, I responded because it's silly to do so when we can all just accept our FO isn't perfect, I've now said over & over that its fine/understandable that they don't always get it right and your reading comprehension continues to fail you as you continue to work yourself up for no reason when no one is "complaining" or "not letting go", I'm not even discussing Kessler but how sadly you can't seem to comprehend what's been said, I've said my piece and have tried to move on but you ironically keep dragging this along. Now please STFU and actually "let go", "move on" or whatever ironic suggestion you want to make lol

I’m dense? I clearly said in that last post I made to you where did I tell you to let it go “again” lol this guy is something else. Learn to read before telling others to learn. Good day sir!
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Re: Pacers Pick Tracking 

Post#1460 » by PhilBlackson » Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:35 pm

youngRAPZ wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
youngRAPZ wrote:Lol ok so show me where in that last post I told you to get over it again as you claim.

Also maybe it is you that needs to learn to read.

I told you to let go of complaining about a trade that happened 2 years ago my post here was simply questioning how asking a legitimate question as to who did we miss out on is so triggering for you as if Kessler is Jokic.

Maybe you should stop taking percs and offering it to sober ppl and consider taking some time for your mental health. I mean the fact that you’re complaining about a move a sports team did 2 years ago your life must be pretty shallow. Get out more sir.


Firstly it's laughable and sad how unoriginal your "comebacks" are that I tell you to take something to chill out, then the best you can come up with is to try and say the opposite lol "get out more" :lol: but nonetheless you do legitimately need to relax because it's really not that serious.

You ask where you said to "get over" it and then you literally go on to say "I told you to let go of complaining about a trade that happened 2 years ago..." and I just quoted you saying "lol it's done folks move on".....do you not understand the english language?! lol Those are literally synonyms for "get over" :lol: but here it is in black & white for you too...

youngRAPZ wrote:Kessler would’ve never been on the team get over it now Jesus. No FO bats 1000 GET OVER IT!



:lol: :lol: good lord are you ever dense, you're again showing that you literally have no idea what you're even saying.

The continued crazy thing about it is if you just had some reading comprehension you could have saved yourself blowing that last brain cell of yours with how clearly triggered you are. You're still going on about supposedly me "complaining" when in reality I ALREADY highlighted and underlined for you that I've now said multiple times it's fine & completely understandable that they've made missteps but you're just so stuck in this childish hissy fit that you're so caught up on wanting to make smart ass comments and ironically just looking dumber & dumber.

For the last time, the poster downplayed Kessler, I responded because it's silly to do so when we can all just accept our FO isn't perfect, I've now said over & over that its fine/understandable that they don't always get it right and your reading comprehension continues to fail you as you continue to work yourself up for no reason when no one is "complaining" or "not letting go", I'm not even discussing Kessler but how sadly you can't seem to comprehend what's been said, I've said my piece and have tried to move on but you ironically keep dragging this along. Now please STFU and actually "let go", "move on" or whatever ironic suggestion you want to make lol

I’m dense? I clearly said in that last post I made to you where did I tell you to let it go “again” lol this guy is something else. Learn to read before telling others to learn. Good day sir!


We both know it wasn't a literal where did you say those exact words but the implication itself which is why I highlighted the synonyms you used in it's place lol but if you want to continue to further embarrass yourself with your lack of reading comprehension and dispel this latest lame excuse ok...

But go re-read or have someone do it for you because I didn't say that you said "get over it again"....I said that you said "get over it" (that's a full stop) and "yet again you're ironically still going on about this", those are 2 separate statements. So no matter how you wanna back pedal or strawman, you've failed and just need to take your L and move on. Now please stick to your "good day sir" & you actually drop something no one even cared that much about. I actually laugh that I spent all this time correcting all your errors like a teacher does a child but anyways take care. We've both wasted enough time on this.
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