whatisacenter wrote:Just listened to the Mike Dunleavy Junior press conference, and it was quite disappointing. Get ready for more of the same.
Our only hope is that the Magic offer an outrageous contract to Klay that we just can't match.
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whatisacenter wrote:Just listened to the Mike Dunleavy Junior press conference, and it was quite disappointing. Get ready for more of the same.
Onus wrote:The only thing was saying we want Klay back, which obviously he's going to say.
whatisacenter wrote:Just listened to the Mike Dunleavy Junior press conference, and it was quite disappointing. Get ready for more of the same.
EvanZ wrote:If we don't sign Goga Bitadze I am finding a new team lol
DonaldSanders wrote:whatisacenter wrote:Just listened to the Mike Dunleavy Junior press conference, and it was quite disappointing. Get ready for more of the same.
On the plus side, MDJ's press conferences have never revealed anything so far. He took over, said Jordan will be here for 4 years, then traded him right away.
He said defense is the #1 priority, then mentioned shooting, then size. Who knows what that will actually mean?
I generally expect to gleam nothing from a MDJ press conference, and I think he delivered. I'd love to get some hints but I think he always feels that giving information away in the media doesn't benefit at all when it's time to trade. I mean he said "we'll look at how we can bring Chris back" and all I could think of was he's saying this to try to at least squeeze some value from Chris in a potential trade using his salary. I don't think anyone internally actually expects to see CP3 back, it was always a 1 year thing unless we won a chip.
MDJ putting his foot down on key issues is our only hope. He drafted well, dropped our worst contract, let's hope the 2nd act is even better.
Onus wrote:actually i'd say the mdj interview was enlightening. He knows this team isn't enough. Wants more shooting, wants more size, knows that we win with defense.
The only thing was saying we want Klay back, which obviously he's going to say.
Have to remember he also was like JP is going to be here for 4 years and then traded him the next week.
DonaldSanders wrote:whatisacenter wrote:Just listened to the Mike Dunleavy Junior press conference, and it was quite disappointing. Get ready for more of the same.
On the plus side, MDJ's press conferences have never revealed anything so far. He took over, said Jordan will be here for 4 years, then traded him right away.
He said defense is the #1 priority, then mentioned shooting, then size. Who knows what that will actually mean?
I generally expect to gleam nothing from a MDJ press conference, and I think he delivered. I'd love to get some hints but I think he always feels that giving information away in the media doesn't benefit at all when it's time to trade. I mean he said "we'll look at how we can bring Chris back" and all I could think of was he's saying this to try to at least squeeze some value from Chris in a potential trade using his salary. I don't think anyone internally actually expects to see CP3 back, it was always a 1 year thing unless we won a chip.
MDJ putting his foot down on key issues is our only hope. He drafted well, dropped our worst contract, let's hope the 2nd act is even better.
whatisacenter wrote:That’s my hope is that this was just lip service and he is not gonna keep the core three together moving forward. But if he actually believes that the team was more the one to finish the season than the totality of the entire season, then he is buying fools gold.
HiRez wrote:So I expect an offer in the $20M+ range, which is too much considering his age, production, and consistency, but it would probably be enough to credibly not feel disrespected. I expect it to be higher than we think it should be.
DonaldSanders wrote:whatisacenter wrote:That’s my hope is that this was just lip service and he is not gonna keep the core three together moving forward. But if he actually believes that the team was more the one to finish the season than the totality of the entire season, then he is buying fools gold.
I'm not sure if keeping the core trio together is actually his choice... lots of power in Kerr, Steph, Lacob. At minimum I think MDJ can make a hard push to have Klay's contract be small. I'd prefer Klay departed, but if he comes back it really has to be on a small role.
And really what we honestly need is a guard that's clearly better than him, so there can be no questions throughout the season, no Steve temptations to put him in the starting lineups or to close. Just a good guard that takes over the slot, and Klay (if he returns) is the backup, who is also paid like a backup.HiRez wrote:So I expect an offer in the $20M+ range, which is too much considering his age, production, and consistency, but it would probably be enough to credibly not feel disrespected. I expect it to be higher than we think it should be.
I think this is where we will really see whether Mike has much power to decide stuff regarding the trio. There's no way he thinks Klay is currently worth 20M, not when Grayson Allen got less. But I know what you mean, we'll likely pay Klay more than he's worth, as odd as that is after we paid him a max 2 years while he played no games, and a 3rd year where he was mostly out. Hopefully Mike/Joe get together and decide a cap on what they can offer Klay, then use CP's contract to find a trade to upgrade the roster. That's our path to improvement.
DonaldSanders wrote:whatisacenter wrote:That’s my hope is that this was just lip service and he is not gonna keep the core three together moving forward. But if he actually believes that the team was more the one to finish the season than the totality of the entire season, then he is buying fools gold.
I'm not sure if keeping the core trio together is actually his choice... lots of power in Kerr, Steph, Lacob. At minimum I think MDJ can make a hard push to have Klay's contract be small. I'd prefer Klay departed, but if he comes back it really has to be on a small role.
And really what we honestly need is a guard that's clearly better than him, so there can be no questions throughout the season, no Steve temptations to put him in the starting lineups or to close. Just a good guard that takes over the slot, and Klay (if he returns) is the backup, who is also paid like a backup.HiRez wrote:So I expect an offer in the $20M+ range, which is too much considering his age, production, and consistency, but it would probably be enough to credibly not feel disrespected. I expect it to be higher than we think it should be.
I think this is where we will really see whether Mike has much power to decide stuff regarding the trio. There's no way he thinks Klay is currently worth 20M, not when Grayson Allen got less. But I know what you mean, we'll likely pay Klay more than he's worth, as odd as that is after we paid him a max 2 years while he played no games, and a 3rd year where he was mostly out. Hopefully Mike/Joe get together and decide a cap on what they can offer Klay, then use CP's contract to find a trade to upgrade the roster. That's our path to improvement.
EvanZ wrote:If we don't sign Goga Bitadze I am finding a new team lol
vvoland wrote:You really think Allen is a better player? the 4th option on a top heavy team who's left wide open and had 1 good season? We'll see if his shooting holds up in the playoffs but let's just say I have my doubts. He was a throw in trade piece last year, the suns extended him because they had no other mechanisms to attract talent other than vet mins.
Just as a reference point, 53.5% of allen's 3's this year came with a defender more than 6 feet away - wide open. another 11% were with a player 4-6 ft away - open. Klay's numbers were 16% wide open, 26% open. Put the hate aside for a moment and imagine what Grayson would be doing here as a 2nd option and what Klay would be doing in PHX as a 4th.
vvoland wrote:I keep hearing this and some have gone as far as to say it''ll be easy to replace Klay with a better player. Who would that be? Remember, we have no cap space and won't be able to package contracts after the new league year starts. So it's either cp3 + picks or wiggins + picks that will be bringing back this starting level shooting guard that's clearly better than Klay. I'm sure we all know the 2 guards in the league, who are we getting?
We'll have the taxpayer MLE (~$5M to start) but I'm hopeful that's not the mechanism we use to upgrade the Klay spot, right?
DonaldSanders wrote:vvoland wrote:You really think Allen is a better player? the 4th option on a top heavy team who's left wide open and had 1 good season? We'll see if his shooting holds up in the playoffs but let's just say I have my doubts. He was a throw in trade piece last year, the suns extended him because they had no other mechanisms to attract talent other than vet mins.
Just as a reference point, 53.5% of allen's 3's this year came with a defender more than 6 feet away - wide open. another 11% were with a player 4-6 ft away - open. Klay's numbers were 16% wide open, 26% open. Put the hate aside for a moment and imagine what Grayson would be doing here as a 2nd option and what Klay would be doing in PHX as a 4th.
Keep in mind we're signing a player to a multi-year contract, Allen is 28 and Klay is 34 and declining. You have to factor who is going to be the better player over the course of the contract (though I'd prefer Allen now). Allen doesn't quit on plays, and doesn't disappear against good defenses. Last playoffs Klay had plenty of wide open looks and just whiffed. No hate, just analysis.vvoland wrote:I keep hearing this and some have gone as far as to say it''ll be easy to replace Klay with a better player. Who would that be? Remember, we have no cap space and won't be able to package contracts after the new league year starts. So it's either cp3 + picks or wiggins + picks that will be bringing back this starting level shooting guard that's clearly better than Klay. I'm sure we all know the 2 guards in the league, who are we getting?
We'll have the taxpayer MLE (~$5M to start) but I'm hopeful that's not the mechanism we use to upgrade the Klay spot, right?
CP3 + picks probably could have netted Dejounte Murray this past offseason, or Jrue Holiday (plus say Kuminga). Murray might still be available (though the price sadly might be going up) not as good of a shooter, but I think his ball handling and athleticism would help Steph out a lot. And instead of having to set up the defense around Klay's defensive shortcomings, I think Murray would excel with other good defenders around him, allowing Steph to have an easier time. Jrue would have been obviously a big upgrade. So let's not pretend just this past season like there weren't options to trade for.
And as the off-season progresses we will find out who is available, at the end of the season it's tough to tell any of that stuff. The draft/free agency kicks off late June.
vvoland wrote:
if you want analysis and not hate, bring stats, not opinion.
DonaldSanders wrote:vvoland wrote:
if you want analysis and not hate, bring stats, not opinion.
Here you go.
And my point about Murray or Jrue was that each season players have appeared that you can trade for, but prior to the draft or free agency, nobody would have known/guessed either guy would be available -- this happens every year. Asking someone who those people are in April is a waste of time.
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