Hawks -- State of the Franchise

[Jamaaliver]

Quin, when he hears we're underdogs in that Hawks-Bulls matchup next week:

[Jamaaliver]

[Jamaaliver]

Final Report Cards for Each NBA Team

Atlanta Hawks: D+

Record: 36-46
Preseason Over-Under: 42.5

The lasting impression from this Atlanta Hawks campaign will almost certainly be the lack of effectiveness from Trae Young-Dejounte Murray lineups.

Many (including yours truly) were convinced that a full training camp with coach Quin Snyder and a little more time for Young and Murray to adapt to each other might make the backcourt jell. But it just didn't.

In fact, the combination was worse this season. When they shared the floor, Atlanta was minus-4.7 points per 100 possessions. It was minus-0.8 when Murray played without Young, and plus-4.0 when Young played without Murray.

And thanks to a late-season surge without the injured Young, the team finished 14-14 in games he missed. It was 22-32 when he was in the lineup.

That's almost certainly going to lead to trade rumors surrounding both guards this summer, and given Young's age (25) and individual production, he'd likely fetch the Hawks the bigger return.

This season wasn't all bad, though. One player who almost certainly won't generate trade speculation this summer is Jalen Johnson, who broke out with 16.0 points, 8.7 rebounds and 3.6 assists, is just 22 and looks ready for a three-and-D-plus role going forward.

And with him, Onyeka Okongwu and whatever Atlanta can command for Young and Murray, the Hawks might actually have a decent foundation for a rebuild going forward.

Bleacher Report

[tbhawksfan1]

Final Report Cards for Each NBA Team

Atlanta Hawks: D+

Record: 36-46
Preseason Over-Under: 42.5

The lasting impression from this Atlanta Hawks campaign will almost certainly be the lack of effectiveness from Trae Young-Dejounte Murray lineups.

Many (including yours truly) were convinced that a full training camp with coach Quin Snyder and a little more time for Young and Murray to adapt to each other might make the backcourt jell. But it just didn't.

In fact, the combination was worse this season. When they shared the floor, Atlanta was minus-4.7 points per 100 possessions. It was minus-0.8 when Murray played without Young, and plus-4.0 when Young played without Murray.

And thanks to a late-season surge without the injured Young, the team finished 14-14 in games he missed. It was 22-32 when he was in the lineup.

That's almost certainly going to lead to trade rumors surrounding both guards this summer, and given Young's age (25) and individual production, he'd likely fetch the Hawks the bigger return.

This season wasn't all bad, though. One player who almost certainly won't generate trade speculation this summer is Jalen Johnson, who broke out with 16.0 points, 8.7 rebounds and 3.6 assists, is just 22 and looks ready for a three-and-D-plus role going forward.

And with him, Onyeka Okongwu and whatever Atlanta can command for Young and Murray, the Hawks might actually have a decent foundation for a rebuild going forward.

Bleacher Report

Eh... who's going to tell them that we traded away 3 years of our future FRPs starting next season.

Unless SA really wants Trae; no rebuild. I think that they will keep cah cow Trae and move Murray to give the illusion of doing something. Won't help though. Hawks don't have a path to big improvement unless JJ becomes Tatum like and we find an offensively competant C

[Jamaaliver]

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[Geaux_Hawks]

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Crazy part about this, is that we never got the star player we have now to build around, yet we still found a way by acquiring the right talents and eventually a quality HC. I think we have the coach part down, but need the FO to acquire the talents now.

[Jamaaliver]

We're not completely devoid of picks or talent.

Just need a better mix.

With Quin, Trae, Jalen, Okongwu and Bogdan onboard, it really seems like a strong lineup of scorers and facilitators. We just need to add depth in the front court and a 3&D wing in the SF spot.

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[Jamaaliver]

The reason the Hawks won't be getting a new owner anytime soon...

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[Jamaaliver]

Things are looking UP:

[tbhawksfan1]

HELL YES

[tbhawksfan1]

State of the franchise:

Owner: cheap, money grabbing man that puts his 20 something year old in a leadership FO with his buddies
FO: see above
Team: 10 games under .500 this season and capped out
Future: Need to cut some salary this offseason to be able to afford #1 pick. Three seasons without our own picks. 2025 we will get a SAC late teens pick. 2026 we will get a 20s Spurs pick. Next Hawks FRP 2027

Given the owner that will not spend, our current team that can't even make the playoffs, a ridiculous FO and our FRP deficiency this could be a 5-6 year of ugly Hawk's period coming up before any hope of better

[tbhawksfan1]

I just don't get Resseler. He spent big on infra-structure and coaching. Both very important to franchise success. But he completely failed on this FO and is 100% lux tax adverse.... I would love to ask him what his vision is to the Hawks contending

[jayu70]

I just don't get Resseler. He spent big on infra-structure and coaching. Both very important to franchise success. But he completely failed on this FO and is 100% lux tax adverse.... I would love to ask him what his vision is to the Hawks contending

Easy, he likes the $15 million he gets as a non-tax paying team from the other teams that do.

[Jamaaliver]

Hawks Conference Finals run in 2021 is now a cautionary tale...

LOL

Who could have seen that coming?

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[Geaux_Hawks]

Scrolling thru redditt(Yeah I know), I saw a thread about whether we're re-tooling or rebuilding. I've always been under the impression after the TDL, that we needed to re-tool and a rebuild was not necessary at all. Essentially that's what we have done over the summer from the draft to the DJM trade.

So in terms of the "State of the Franchise", do we feel like we've changed the trajectory of this team at all yet, or have we not done nearly enough to even improve by 1 win?

IMHO, I believe we've already improved significantly this off-season by fixing the roster construction. It's been my main concern for at least 1.5 years. There's still work to be done, but i'm happy with the progress at least. I feel like if we can move Hunter, we'll be kinda moving from the failed prospects of the first wave, and can better evaluate the 2nd/3rd wave of prospects since our last tear down(2017). I actually think we've got more upside with this group of prospects(Kobe, JJ, Gueye, Zacch, Djurisic, DD, Liddell??).

It's already resulted in moving on from AJ Griffin, who despite showing some promise, had took a downward spiral. To me, that shows that we're no longer investing long term in a player just because we drafted him and feel he'll simply turn it around at some point. Moving on from Hunter, would further convince me.

[jayu70]

Scrolling thru redditt(Yeah I know), I saw a thread about whether we're re-tooling or rebuilding. I've always been under the impression after the TDL, that we needed to re-tool and a rebuild was not necessary at all. Essentially that's what we have done over the summer from the draft to the DJM trade.

So in terms of the "State of the Franchise", do we feel like we've changed the trajectory of this team at all yet, or have we not done nearly enough to even improve by 1 win?

IMHO, I believe we've already improved significantly this off-season by fixing the roster construction. It's been my main concern for at least 1.5 years. There's still work to be done, but i'm happy with the progress at least. I feel like if we can move Hunter, we'll be kinda moving from the failed prospects of the first wave, and can better evaluate the 2nd/3rd wave of prospects since our last tear down(2017). I actually think we've got more upside with this group of prospects(Kobe, JJ, Gueye, Zacch, Djurisic, DD, Liddell??).

It's already resulted in moving on from AJ Griffin, who despite showing some promise, had took a downward spiral. To me, that shows that we're no longer investing long term in a player just because we drafted him and feel he'll simply turn it around at some point. Moving on from Hunter, would further convince me.

The roster as constructed says to me it will be about developing the young players, hoping to win. We have very young inexperienced depth.

[HMFFL]

Scrolling thru redditt(Yeah I know), I saw a thread about whether we're re-tooling or rebuilding. I've always been under the impression after the TDL, that we needed to re-tool and a rebuild was not necessary at all. Essentially that's what we have done over the summer from the draft to the DJM trade.

So in terms of the "State of the Franchise", do we feel like we've changed the trajectory of this team at all yet, or have we not done nearly enough to even improve by 1 win?

IMHO, I believe we've already improved significantly this off-season by fixing the roster construction. It's been my main concern for at least 1.5 years. There's still work to be done, but i'm happy with the progress at least. I feel like if we can move Hunter, we'll be kinda moving from the failed prospects of the first wave, and can better evaluate the 2nd/3rd wave of prospects since our last tear down(2017). I actually think we've got more upside with this group of prospects(Kobe, JJ, Gueye, Zacch, Djurisic, DD, Liddell??).

It's already resulted in moving on from AJ Griffin, who despite showing some promise, had took a downward spiral. To me, that shows that we're no longer investing long term in a player just because we drafted him and feel he'll simply turn it around at some point. Moving on from Hunter, would further convince me.

The roster as constructed says to me it will be about developing the young players, hoping to win. We have very young inexperienced depth.

Patience is key for everyone within the Hawk franchise and us fans. Trae is key so we'll see if his leadership skills have improved. This is a good situation for Trae to be praised if he can get these young players to win.




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[jayu70]

Scrolling thru redditt(Yeah I know), I saw a thread about whether we're re-tooling or rebuilding. I've always been under the impression after the TDL, that we needed to re-tool and a rebuild was not necessary at all. Essentially that's what we have done over the summer from the draft to the DJM trade.

So in terms of the "State of the Franchise", do we feel like we've changed the trajectory of this team at all yet, or have we not done nearly enough to even improve by 1 win?

IMHO, I believe we've already improved significantly this off-season by fixing the roster construction. It's been my main concern for at least 1.5 years. There's still work to be done, but i'm happy with the progress at least. I feel like if we can move Hunter, we'll be kinda moving from the failed prospects of the first wave, and can better evaluate the 2nd/3rd wave of prospects since our last tear down(2017). I actually think we've got more upside with this group of prospects(Kobe, JJ, Gueye, Zacch, Djurisic, DD, Liddell??).

It's already resulted in moving on from AJ Griffin, who despite showing some promise, had took a downward spiral. To me, that shows that we're no longer investing long term in a player just because we drafted him and feel he'll simply turn it around at some point. Moving on from Hunter, would further convince me.

The roster as constructed says to me it will be about developing the young players, hoping to win. We have very young inexperienced depth.

Patience is key for everyone within the Hawk franchise and us fans. Trae is key so we'll see if his leadership skills have improved. This is a good situation for Trae to be praised if he can get these young players to win.




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1. Trae has to be onboard with the plan or this won't work
2. Which allstar of his caliber is being asked to lead such a very young squad when he himself has made it clear he wants to win
3. What are the expectations - that needs to be clearly stated, because if they are expected to win and don't win - it'll be all on him. Meanwhile his counterparts have vets and NBA depth with an eye to contention but he's expected to drag an inexperienced young team to wins?

[Geaux_Hawks]

The roster as constructed says to me it will be about developing the young players, hoping to win. We have very young inexperienced depth.

Patience is key for everyone within the Hawk franchise and us fans. Trae is key so we'll see if his leadership skills have improved. This is a good situation for Trae to be praised if he can get these young players to win.

1. Trae has to be onboard with the plan or this won't work
2. Which allstar of his caliber is being asked to lead such a very young squad when he himself has made it clear he wants to win
3. What are the expectations - that needs to be clearly stated, because if they are expected to win and don't win - it'll be all on him. Meanwhile his counterparts have vets and NBA depth with an eye to contention but he's expected to drag an inexperienced young team to wins?

Patience is definitely the key.

I would say we've got a 2 year window to showcase we're a strong, young core with Trae leading us, and JJ being his Robin. That would hopefully come with the mutual expectation that we don't have to win it all this year, but next year, we should be well positioned thru internal development, to be amongst the contenders of the East.

If Trae can just see the reshuffling of the deck being a positive, we should be fine. I wouldn't dare put the expectation that he has to shoulder the load in getting us to a top 2 seed in the East, and carry us to the Finals. Just be open and up front about being competitive at least. A 2nd round exit as a 6th seed would probably be a success in my book.

[jayu70]

Patience is key for everyone within the Hawk franchise and us fans. Trae is key so we'll see if his leadership skills have improved. This is a good situation for Trae to be praised if he can get these young players to win.

1. Trae has to be onboard with the plan or this won't work
2. Which allstar of his caliber is being asked to lead such a very young squad when he himself has made it clear he wants to win
3. What are the expectations - that needs to be clearly stated, because if they are expected to win and don't win - it'll be all on him. Meanwhile his counterparts have vets and NBA depth with an eye to contention but he's expected to drag an inexperienced young team to wins?

Patience is definitely the key.

I would say we've got a 2 year window to showcase we're a strong, young core with Trae leading us, and JJ being his Robin. That would hopefully come with the mutual expectation that we don't have to win it all this year, but next year, we should be well positioned thru internal development, to be amongst the contenders of the East.

If Trae can just see the reshuffling of the deck being a positive, we should be fine. I wouldn't dare put the expectation that he has to shoulder the load in getting us to a top 2 seed in the East, and carry us to the Finals. Just be open and up front about being competitive at least. A 2nd round exit as a 6th seed would probably be a success in my book.

I'm talking about avoiding the playin.
The roster as currently constructed needs work (granted we aren't carrying 5 centers).