Pacers Pick Tracking (Update: #19 officially)

[WuTang_CMB]

ok thank you pelicans
we await for draw

Do we know when?

It’s draw for #16 to #19 right?

ya

could be tomorrow

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[Thaddy]

A 16th pick could help us get a draft target. It seems like we narrowly miss out on elite prospects due to late surges. I have a feeling the next guy to really surge in this range is going to be George. There isn't that much separating him from Walters.

[SpezNc]

ok thank you pelicans
we await for draw

Do we know when?

It’s draw for #16 to #19 right?

ya

could be tomorrow

Read on Twitter

The New York New York tie is hilarious.

[WuTang_CMB]

2023 play in ended on friday like this year
Draw results announced on monday

https://www.nba.com/news/ties-broken-for-order-of-selection-in-2023-nba-draft-presented-by-state-farm

[brownbobcat]

The great thing for Masai defenders is they can't be proven wrong now. That's veteran mentor effect can't be measured, and we'll never know how good Koloko would have become.

The speed it goes from "give it time!" to "get over it!" is like watching Usain Bolt.

I mean the entire point of his post was that we likely would have taken Koloko anyways. So if that is true he would have gotten sick or whatever anyways.

At the end of the day - it is just a dumb thing to complain about still.

Thad didn't cost a FRP.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not Masai's fault.
And if it was, he didn't mean it.
And if he did, shut up about it already.

[Chandan]

The speed it goes from "give it time!" to "get over it!" is like watching Usain Bolt.

I mean the entire point of his post was that we likely would have taken Koloko anyways. So if that is true he would have gotten sick or whatever anyways.

At the end of the day - it is just a dumb thing to complain about still.

Thad didn't cost a FRP.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not Masai's fault.
And if it was, he didn't mean it.
And if he did, shut up about it already.

in the end, masai did everything because he's too in tune with the human side of things.

[SpezNc]

The speed it goes from "give it time!" to "get over it!" is like watching Usain Bolt.

I mean the entire point of his post was that we likely would have taken Koloko anyways. So if that is true he would have gotten sick or whatever anyways.

At the end of the day - it is just a dumb thing to complain about still.

Thad didn't cost a FRP.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not Masai's fault.
And if it was, he didn't mean it.
And if he did, shut up about it already.

It was Thad Young + Pick #33 (Koloko) for Goran Dragic + Pick #20 (Branham)

It’s dropping 13 spots to improve from Dragic to Young,

The 1st pick given to SA was top14 protected. At the time of the trade, there was a possibility that the FRP doesn’t convey and would have been a SRP instead.

It was not a great trade and in insight, the trade is unlikely to be done.

But I don’t think that trade move the needle that much.

[bballsparkin]

^^IIRC the trade also helped the team dodge the luxury tax.

[HangTime]

The NBA shouldn't do a coin flip for ties for playoff teams.

There is a 4 way tie for 16-19.

When the 16th pick comes up, all 4 teams are on the clock for 20 minutes total.

The first team to submit their pick, in that time frame, gets the #16 pick, second team gets #17 pick, and so on.

[Thaddy]

16th would be a great pick to get someone like Salaun, Filipowski, George, or someone else who could fall out of the lottery. We need an oversized shooter who can grow into becoming a future forward.

[Duffman100]

The speed it goes from "give it time!" to "get over it!" is like watching Usain Bolt.

I mean the entire point of his post was that we likely would have taken Koloko anyways. So if that is true he would have gotten sick or whatever anyways.

At the end of the day - it is just a dumb thing to complain about still.

Thad didn't cost a FRP.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not Masai's fault.
And if it was, he didn't mean it.
And if he did, shut up about it already.

Well good thing we don’t go past the first condition.

[islandboy53]

The speed it goes from "give it time!" to "get over it!" is like watching Usain Bolt.

I mean the entire point of his post was that we likely would have taken Koloko anyways. So if that is true he would have gotten sick or whatever anyways.

At the end of the day - it is just a dumb thing to complain about still.

Thad didn't cost a FRP.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not Masai's fault.
And if it was, he didn't mean it.
And if he did, shut up about it already.

It was 2 years ago. Time to find something else to whine about.

[Scase]

I mean the entire point of his post was that we likely would have taken Koloko anyways. So if that is true he would have gotten sick or whatever anyways.

At the end of the day - it is just a dumb thing to complain about still.

Thad didn't cost a FRP.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not Masai's fault.
And if it was, he didn't mean it.
And if he did, shut up about it already.

Well good thing we don’t go past the first condition.

If I trade you a FRP for a SRP, you no longer have a FRP. It's pretty binary, it cost us the ability to pick in the first round.

Not getting into the minutia of how we would've picked Koloko anyways etc, it's pretty straight forward. Before the trade we had a FRP, after the trade we didn't, therefore, it cost us a FRP, and was replaced by a SRP.

That's a pretty objective statement.

Unless you mean Thad specifically, didn't cost us a FRP. Then yeah you're right, Dragic cost us a FRP.

[Duffman100]

Thad didn't cost a FRP.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not Masai's fault.
And if it was, he didn't mean it.
And if he did, shut up about it already.

Well good thing we don’t go past the first condition.

If I trade you a FRP for a SRP, you no longer have a FRP. It's pretty binary, it cost us the ability to pick in the first round.

Not getting into the minutia of how we would've picked Koloko anyways etc, it's pretty straight forward. Before the trade we had a FRP, after the trade we didn't, therefore, it cost us a FRP, and was replaced by a SRP.

That's a pretty objective statement.

Unless you mean Thad specifically, didn't cost us a FRP. Then yeah you're right, Dragic cost us a FRP.

We all know what the conversation point is and what it has been.

Thad was traded for a FRP. That's been the false talking point that's been used for two years as people continue to whine about the situation.

People need to at least debate in good faith.

[YogurtProducer]

Well good thing we don’t go past the first condition.

If I trade you a FRP for a SRP, you no longer have a FRP. It's pretty binary, it cost us the ability to pick in the first round.

Not getting into the minutia of how we would've picked Koloko anyways etc, it's pretty straight forward. Before the trade we had a FRP, after the trade we didn't, therefore, it cost us a FRP, and was replaced by a SRP.

That's a pretty objective statement.

Unless you mean Thad specifically, didn't cost us a FRP. Then yeah you're right, Dragic cost us a FRP.

We all know what the conversation point is and what it has been.

Thad was traded for a FRP. That's been the false talking point that's been used for two years as people continue to whine about the situation.

People need to at least debate in good faith.

Doubling down on the bad faith argument is really all you need to know here - these specific posters are never going to use what’s actually happened because it would expose how ridiculous of a conversation it is.

Thad was traded for as part of a trade down of what amounted to be 13 spots. Suddenly, the outrage can’t be quite as loud when it’s just facts.

[Purple+Black]

The NBA shouldn't do a coin flip for ties for playoff teams.

There is a 4 way tie for 16-19.

When the 16th pick comes up, all 4 teams are on the clock for 20 minutes total.

The first team to submit their pick, in that time frame, gets the #16 pick, second team gets #17 pick, and so on.

May sound good on paper but would be a nightmare to execute

[brownbobcat]

We all know what the conversation point is and what it has been.

Thad was traded for a FRP. That's been the false talking point that's been used for two years as people continue to whine about the situation.

People need to at least debate in good faith.

It's completely in good faith, the very 1st condition implicitly acknowledges the ambiguity and all the different excuses.

i.e. Thad didn't cost a FRP - it was moving down 13 slots, that's like, different
And if it did, it wasn't that bad - they would have taken Koloko at 20 anyway!
And if it was, that's not a big deal - well, whatever, 20th picks don't move the needle

and so on, and so on. It was a pretty dumb move from start to finish. Not as bad as the Poeltl trade, not unrecoverable, but dumb nonetheless.

[billy_hoyle]

The NBA shouldn't do a coin flip for ties for playoff teams.

There is a 4 way tie for 16-19.

When the 16th pick comes up, all 4 teams are on the clock for 20 minutes total.

The first team to submit their pick, in that time frame, gets the #16 pick, second team gets #17 pick, and so on.

May sound good on paper but would be a nightmare to execute

They would all submit their top pick simultaneously. And some would likely pick the same player. They have months to prepare and know who they will pick.

It would be a disaster.

[WuTang_CMB]

Draw is today
we will find out tonight

[Duffman100]

i.e. Thad didn't cost a FRP - it was moving down 13 slots, that's like, different
.

You're mocking the actual facts of the trade? That isn't arguing in good faith.