2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3

[DG88]

Decided to take a look at Ron Holland and he reminds me of a slightly better defensive RJ Barrett.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Decided to take a look at Ron Holland and he reminds me of a slightly better defensive RJ Barrett.

I wholeheartedly disagree here. He's a defensive playmaker with great feet, hands, anticipation and motor. He has every ingredient to be special on that end.

[ArthurVandelay]

Decided to take a look at Ron Holland and he reminds me of a slightly better defensive RJ Barrett.

I wholeheartedly disagree here. He's a defensive playmaker with great feet, hands, anticipation and motor. He has every ingredient to be special on that end.

Yeah the one area of Hollands game I don’t have any worries about is on D

[DreamTeam09]

Decided to take a look at Ron Holland and he reminds me of a slightly better defensive RJ Barrett.

I wholeheartedly disagree here. He's a defensive playmaker with great feet, hands, anticipation and motor. He has every ingredient to be special on that end.

Ohh you think he has the chance to be a great defender?? I did think of him as a righty RJ Barrett, someone said he's more of a Ben Mathurain, which I thought was an acceptable comp as well...

I'm a Holland fan in this draft, I'd like to have him on our team, I can see the fit/vision

[WuTang_CMB]

Holland is an ideal defensive wing to add to this team. Offense will come

[billy_hoyle]

Perennial or 1-2 timers? Even the 2000 draft had All-Stars...albeit they were all one-timers (Redd, Martin, Magloire - he's a controversial pick) and only one was All-NBA (Redd - 3rd team).

Granted, injuries did rob Redd and Martin of their prime but still, getting an All-Star in a bad draft isn't impossible...it's just highly unlikely.

Since the Raptors entered the league, these are the players who have received at least one All-Star selection during their career:

Spoiler:

1995 (6) - Antonio McDyess, Rasheed Wallace, Kevin Garnett, Jerry Stackhouse, Theo Ratliff, Michael Finley

1996 (11) - Allen Iverson, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Stephen Marbury, Ray Allen, Antoine Walker, Kobe Bryant, Peja Stokajovic, Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neal, Zydrunas Ilguaskas, Ben Wallace

1997 (3) - Tim Duncan, Tracy McGrady, Chauncey Billups

1998 (5) - Antawn Jamison, Vince Carter, Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, Rashard Lewis

1999 (9) - Elton Brand, Steve Francis, Baron Davis, Wally Szczerbiak, Richard Hamilton, Shawn Marion, Ron Artest, Andrei Kirilenko, Manu Ginobli

2000 (3) - Kenyon Martin, Michael Redd, Jamaal Magloire

2001 (8) - Tyson Chandler, Pau Gasol, Joe Johnson, Zach Randolph, Gerald Wallace, Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas, Mehmet Okur

2002 (4) - Yao Ming, Amare Stoudemire, Caron Butler, Carlos Boozer

2003 (9) - LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, Chris Kaman, David West, Josh Howard, Mo Williams, Kyle Korver

2004 (5) - Dwight Howard, Devin Harris, Luol Deng, Andre Iguodala, Jameer Nelson

2005 (5) - Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Danny Granger, David Lee, Andrew Bynum

2006 (4) - LaMarcus Aldridge, Brandon Roy, Kyle Lowry, Rajon Rondo

2007 (5) - Kevin Durant, Mike Conley, Al Horford, Joakim Noah, Marc Gasol

2008 (7) - Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert, DeAndre Jordan, Goran Drajic

2009 (6) - Blake Griffin, James Harden, DeMar DeRozen, Stephen Curry, Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague

2010 (4) - John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, Gordon Hayward, Paul George

2011 (7) - Kyrie Irving, Kemba Walker, Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard, Nikola Vucevic, Jimmy Butler, Isaiah Thomas

2012 (6) - Anthony Davis, Bradley Beal, Damian Lillard, Andre Drummond, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton

2013 (3) - Giannis, Rudy Gobert, Victor Oladipo

2014 (2) - Joel Embiid, Nikola Jokic

2015 (4) - Karl Anthony-Towns, D'Angelo Russel, Kristaps Porzingis, Devin Booker

2016 (6) - Ben Simmons, Brandon Ingram, Jaylen Brown, Domatas Sabonis, Pascal Siakam, Dejounte Murray

2017 (6) - Jayson Tatum, De'Aaron Fox, Lauri Markannen, Donovan Mitchell, Bam Adebayo, Jarrett Allen

2018 (5) - Luka Doncic, Jaren Jackson Jr, Trae Young, Shai Gligeous-Alexander, Jalen Brunson

2019 (3) - Zion Williamson, Ja Morant, Darius Garland

2020 (4) - Anthony Edwards, LaMelo Ball, Tyrese Haliburton, Tyrese Maxey

2021 (1) - Scottie Barnes

2022 (1) - Paolo Banchero

2023 (0) - N/A

Considering the number of All-Star calibre players drafted each year, which ones are the bad or weak drafts and which ones are the good ones?

2014 (3) Embiid, Jokic, Wiggins

To add. The 2014 draft was the most hyped 'strong draft' since 2003 (maybe '07).

It didn't turn out well. Scouts and mocks are consistently wrong.

[DreamTeam09]

Really hoping we luck into Zach Rischarer, highest upside in terms of perfect fit for us

[WuTang_CMB]

Perennial or 1-2 timers? Even the 2000 draft had All-Stars...albeit they were all one-timers (Redd, Martin, Magloire - he's a controversial pick) and only one was All-NBA (Redd - 3rd team).

Granted, injuries did rob Redd and Martin of their prime but still, getting an All-Star in a bad draft isn't impossible...it's just highly unlikely.

Since the Raptors entered the league, these are the players who have received at least one All-Star selection during their career:

Spoiler:

1995 (6) - Antonio McDyess, Rasheed Wallace, Kevin Garnett, Jerry Stackhouse, Theo Ratliff, Michael Finley

1996 (11) - Allen Iverson, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Stephen Marbury, Ray Allen, Antoine Walker, Kobe Bryant, Peja Stokajovic, Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neal, Zydrunas Ilguaskas, Ben Wallace

1997 (3) - Tim Duncan, Tracy McGrady, Chauncey Billups

1998 (5) - Antawn Jamison, Vince Carter, Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, Rashard Lewis

1999 (9) - Elton Brand, Steve Francis, Baron Davis, Wally Szczerbiak, Richard Hamilton, Shawn Marion, Ron Artest, Andrei Kirilenko, Manu Ginobli

2000 (3) - Kenyon Martin, Michael Redd, Jamaal Magloire

2001 (8) - Tyson Chandler, Pau Gasol, Joe Johnson, Zach Randolph, Gerald Wallace, Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas, Mehmet Okur

2002 (4) - Yao Ming, Amare Stoudemire, Caron Butler, Carlos Boozer

2003 (9) - LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, Chris Kaman, David West, Josh Howard, Mo Williams, Kyle Korver

2004 (5) - Dwight Howard, Devin Harris, Luol Deng, Andre Iguodala, Jameer Nelson

2005 (5) - Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Danny Granger, David Lee, Andrew Bynum

2006 (4) - LaMarcus Aldridge, Brandon Roy, Kyle Lowry, Rajon Rondo

2007 (5) - Kevin Durant, Mike Conley, Al Horford, Joakim Noah, Marc Gasol

2008 (7) - Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert, DeAndre Jordan, Goran Drajic

2009 (6) - Blake Griffin, James Harden, DeMar DeRozen, Stephen Curry, Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague

2010 (4) - John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, Gordon Hayward, Paul George

2011 (7) - Kyrie Irving, Kemba Walker, Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard, Nikola Vucevic, Jimmy Butler, Isaiah Thomas

2012 (6) - Anthony Davis, Bradley Beal, Damian Lillard, Andre Drummond, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton

2013 (3) - Giannis, Rudy Gobert, Victor Oladipo

2014 (2) - Joel Embiid, Nikola Jokic

2015 (4) - Karl Anthony-Towns, D'Angelo Russel, Kristaps Porzingis, Devin Booker

2016 (6) - Ben Simmons, Brandon Ingram, Jaylen Brown, Domatas Sabonis, Pascal Siakam, Dejounte Murray

2017 (6) - Jayson Tatum, De'Aaron Fox, Lauri Markannen, Donovan Mitchell, Bam Adebayo, Jarrett Allen

2018 (5) - Luka Doncic, Jaren Jackson Jr, Trae Young, Shai Gligeous-Alexander, Jalen Brunson

2019 (3) - Zion Williamson, Ja Morant, Darius Garland

2020 (4) - Anthony Edwards, LaMelo Ball, Tyrese Haliburton, Tyrese Maxey

2021 (1) - Scottie Barnes

2022 (1) - Paolo Banchero

2023 (0) - N/A

Considering the number of All-Star calibre players drafted each year, which ones are the bad or weak drafts and which ones are the good ones?

2014 (3) Embiid, Jokic, Wiggins

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Randle and Lavine (5)

[WuTang_CMB]

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[BoyzNTheHood]

Really hoping we luck into Zach Rischarer, highest upside in terms of perfect fit for us

I hope I’m wrong, but he doesn’t seem like he’ll be successful in the NBA at all. I have him as an Austin Daye type in the league, which is not what you want in the top 10. Way too many red flags.

[BoyzNTheHood]

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To be fair, their other option was Elfrid Payton

[mtcan]

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To be fair, their other option was Elfrid Payton

All the takes were so wrong throughout the video. To be fair...they did call Philly about moving up to pick Embiid though. That call they kinda nailed except for the guy who compared Joel to Greg Oden because of the injuries.

[BoyzNTheHood]

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To be fair, their other option was Elfrid Payton

All the takes were so wrong throughout the video. To be fair...they did call Philly about moving up to pick Embiid though. That call they kinda nailed except for the guy who compared Joel to Greg Oden because of the injuries.

They were spot on about Embiid. They said he was #1 on their board. The Oden comparison was their low end comparison, they also said his high end was Hakeem.

[WuTang_CMB]

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To be fair, their other option was Elfrid Payton

All the takes were so wrong throughout the video. To be fair...they did call Philly about moving up to pick Embiid though. That call they kinda nailed except for the guy who compared Joel to Greg Oden because of the injuries.

He was just giving low to high comparisons. His high was a franchise changing centre which he is

[TorontoRapsFan]

Really like Topic for becoming a regular all star.

[ATLTimekeeper]

To add. The 2014 draft was the most hyped 'strong draft' since 2003 (maybe '07).

It didn't turn out well. Scouts and mocks are consistently wrong.

I think by draft time the hype had muted a bit. Andrew Wiggins was no longer receiving 'generational talent' hype but still went #1. Overall it remains one of the strongest drafts of the last few decades in terms of quality of depth.

Scouts and mocks are consistently wrong in specifics, so rankings are not going to be all that accurate (not that we know NBA boards, really), but usually when they say bad draft it's a bad draft and when they say good draft it's a good draft. What Masai said was that even bad drafts crap out all-stars, which is true, what he and other scouts don't know is who those all-stars are. He's offering a false promise to say it's his job. His job is just to add NBA quality players to his team via the draft, and then help support those players development. Siakam and Fred are good examples of the Raptors finding NBA calibre players who eventually became all-stars. It wasn't because the Raptors identified them as future all-stars. They were calling Siakam an Amir Johnson replacement, and Fred was offered more money by other teams as an UDFA. The guy they valued in that draft with a high pick was Jakob Poeltl.

[TheFutureMM]

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I feel like this would be a frustrating draft to have a Top 10 pick but an exciting one to have a pick anywhere between 11 - 30.

Just feels like the field is so wide open - whoever finds talent here should be credited 100% because I agree, no one in the top 10 excites me as an all-star level player.

yep the pacers pick is all the raptors need.

need to convey that first pick.

I'm praying it conveys and we can move on owning our future.

[mtcan]

To add. The 2014 draft was the most hyped 'strong draft' since 2003 (maybe '07).

It didn't turn out well. Scouts and mocks are consistently wrong.

I think by draft time the hype had muted a bit. Andrew Wiggins was no longer receiving 'generational talent' hype but still went #1. Overall it remains one of the strongest drafts of the last few decades in terms of quality of depth.

Scouts and mocks are consistently wrong in specifics, so rankings are not going to be all that accurate (not that we know NBA boards, really), but usually when they say bad draft it's a bad draft and when they say good draft it's a good draft. What Masai said was that even bad drafts crap out all-stars, which is true, what he and other scouts don't know is who those all-stars are. He's offering a false promise to say it's his job. His job is just to add NBA quality players to his team via the draft, and then help support those players development. Siakam and Fred are good examples of the Raptors finding NBA calibre players who eventually became all-stars. It wasn't because the Raptors identified them as future all-stars. They were calling Siakam an Amir Johnson replacement, and Fred was offered more money by other teams as an UDFA. The guy they valued in that draft with a high pick was Jakob Poeltl.

There will be all-stars that come out of this draft...just a matter of who and where. Masai is absolutely right.

People who say this draft is awful...they aren't looking at the right things.

[The Duke]

Draft international players in “weak” drafts

[billy_hoyle]

To add. The 2014 draft was the most hyped 'strong draft' since 2003 (maybe '07).

It didn't turn out well. Scouts and mocks are consistently wrong.

I think by draft time the hype had muted a bit. Andrew Wiggins was no longer receiving 'generational talent' hype but still went #1. Overall it remains one of the strongest drafts of the last few decades in terms of quality of depth.

Scouts and mocks are consistently wrong in specifics, so rankings are not going to be all that accurate (not that we know NBA boards, really), but usually when they say bad draft it's a bad draft and when they say good draft it's a good draft. What Masai said was that even bad drafts crap out all-stars, which is true, what he and other scouts don't know is who those all-stars are. He's offering a false promise to say it's his job. His job is just to add NBA quality players to his team via the draft, and then help support those players development. Siakam and Fred are good examples of the Raptors finding NBA calibre players who eventually became all-stars. It wasn't because the Raptors identified them as future all-stars. They were calling Siakam an Amir Johnson replacement, and Fred was offered more money by other teams as an UDFA. The guy they valued in that draft with a high pick was Jakob Poeltl.

I disagree. Anecdotally, I've found that they actually don't get strong draft vs weak draft correct at a high rate. We are talking about 25ish drafts for the Raps. There's only been a handful in that timeframe that have been considered 'weak'. Some of those turned out to actually be weak (2013, 2016), others turned out great (2011, 2020). Same thing goes for 'strong' drafts.

In my estimation they don't get it right often enough to give their opinion serious weighting.

On the Masai front, his job is to build a championship team. It requires stars and high end role players. It's his job to find the right mix and/or acquire the assets to trade for said mix. It would benefit him to pick a star vs a high end role player at this stage of a rebuild.