Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0

[VFX]

You can do a LOT worse than Sexton and he’s not going to be targeted on defense.

I like Sexton, but the metrics don't agree with this part.

Really? Is it a myth he’s a good defender? I always thought he was better than those other options.

[Residual-Heat]

I like Monk. Don’t get me wrong. But he addresses one issue with shooting and he’s streaky for that kind of money. We need to address issue at point guard.

Monk is more than just a shooter. He is a decent pick n roll ball handler. He is able to create for himself and others. Drives to the rim and can pass. Per 36 he averages 7 Assts, 3 TO, 21 Points. Compare him to someone like Darius Garland who people here seem to love so much, averages 7 assts, 3.3 TO, and 19.5 points per 36. Monk has a slightly better TS%.

Yes Monk comes off the bench and plays less minutes, and I dont know exactly how he would perform as a starting PG playing 30+ MPG, but I doubt it will be a big drop off. His defense has improved to where I think you can start him on the Magic. He's not going to be a top 10 point guard, but he should be okay, and there arent many better options in FA. Obviously you also dont have to give up any assets for him and if it doesnt work out, you can still use your assets to trade for a starting guard. Either you include Monk in that trade, or move him to 6th man where we know he will be one of the best in the league in that role.

If you are paying Monk that kind of money you are 100% starting him if there is zero starting point guard on this roster. That’s the point. He can be a pick and roll option, but if free agency boils down to landing 1 guy with a huge price tag I’m looking at an actual point guard that can set the pace and orchestrate an offense. Not a guy that can sometimes go off and pretend to be a point guard.

It depends what you mean by "huge price tag". We are paying Cole 14 mill/yr. I am fine with overpaying Monk a little bit. Something like 22 mill/yr is fine. I think he's easily worth 18/19 mill. To be clear, i am not saying we should do whatever we can to get him. I am saying he is a decent option at the right price.

We just dont have many options if we want to capitalize on our capspace before Suggs, Franz and Paolo extensions. Who are those FAs that you think can be better? Tyus Jones? I dont have much faith in him. I was okay with trading for him to help us make the play offs, but I dont want him as a long term starter. Immanuel Quickley? Im still not 100% sure he's a good starting PG either and he is a RFA we would need to overpay big time. Dinwiddie? He hasnt been good. DLO? He's an option, but i prefer Monk.

Ofcourse we're starting him. He IS a decent pick n roll ball handler. He does drive to the rim. He does average 7 assists per 36, those are not hypotheticals. Is he good enough to be a starter on a contender? I am not 100%, but I like him and like his fit on both sides of the court. I think he will work with our other ball handlers. He can shoot, he can run, he can cut, he can drive, he can play some defense. Super athletic, good size for the PG position, brings great energy, very entertaining, and a team 1st guy. Dont know if he's great at any particular aspect, but he is very solid. He's also still improving as a player.

If we can get a better player through trade Im 100% for it. If we could get someone better in FA I'm also for it, but realistically he is one of the best, if not the best FA available that would be willing to sign with the Magic.

[Knightro]

You can do a LOT worse than Sexton and he’s not going to be targeted on defense.

I like Sexton, but the metrics don't agree with this part.

Really? Is it a myth he’s a good defender? I always thought he was better than those other options.

EPM has graded him out to be a *horrific* defender his entire career.

2019 with Cavs: 478th in Defensive EPM
2020 with Cavs: 420th in Defensive EPM
2021 with Cavs: 414th in Defensive EPM
2022 with Cavs: 166th in Defensive EPM (only 11 games played)
2023 with Jazz: 332nd in Defensive EPM
2024 with Jazz: 436rd in Defensive EPM

LEBRON also thinks very poorly of him on the defensive end - 528th and 524th the last two years.

[Residual-Heat]

I like Sexton, but the metrics don't agree with this part.

Really? Is it a myth he’s a good defender? I always thought he was better than those other options.

EPM has graded him out to be a *horrific* defender his entire career.

2019 with Cavs: 478th in Defensive EPM
2020 with Cavs: 420th in Defensive EPM
2021 with Cavs: 414th in Defensive EPM
2022 with Cavs: 166th in Defensive EPM (only 11 games played)
2023 with Jazz: 332nd in Defensive EPM
2024 with Jazz: 436rd in Defensive EPM

LEBRON also thinks very poorly of him on the defensive end - 528th and 524th the last two years.

where do you find EPM stats? Id like to see how Monk fares in comparison.

[Knightro]

where do you find EPM stats? Id like to see how Monk fares in comparison.

https://dunksandthrees.com/ - I have a subscription if you need anything specific.

Monk has also graded out very poorly on the defensive end.

2024: 418th
2023: 263rd
2022: 431st
2021: 413th
2020: 459th
2019: 414th
2018: 477th

[Residual-Heat]

where do you find EPM stats? Id like to see how Monk fares in comparison.

https://dunksandthrees.com/ - I have a subscription if you need anything specific.

Monk has also graded out very poorly on the defensive end.

2024: 418th
2023: 263rd
2022: 431st
2021: 413th
2020: 459th
2019: 414th
2018: 477th

Thanks. From the eye test i wouldve thought he would be much better than Sexton or Simons. I understood that he's not really a good defender, but I thought his EPM would be better than this.

[eyriq]

JI's ascension into the starting lineup throws an interesting wrinkle into off-season plans.

You don't really look as hard at IHart and Claxton, right?

[Rainwater]

This might be a hot take but in the future I feel like there is a chance that Suggs is brought off the bench to start a guy who is a more dynamic SG offensively and hopefully won’t lose too much defensively. A PG is obviously a need but the lack of creativity and scoring from the guard positions as a whole is a problem and puts too much pressure on Paolo and Franz. With lineup of JI, Paolo, Franz, Suggs, and Harris there is only 2 guys that can get you points.

[Skybox]

JI's ascension into the starting lineup throws an interesting wrinkle into off-season plans.

You don't really look as hard at IHart and Claxton, right?

If you nabbed Claxton…you could move JI right back into his perfect role…6th man, deployable at multiple positions for specific defensive matchups. Isaac has done most of his defensive mayhem on the perimeter…he’s starting because he’s the best-suited guy already on the roster.

Hartenstein is nice, but he doesn’t displace Isaac, imo.

[eyriq]

JI's ascension into the starting lineup throws an interesting wrinkle into off-season plans.

You don't really look as hard at IHart and Claxton, right?

If you nabbed Claxton…you could move JI right back into his perfect role…6th man, deployable at multiple positions for specific defensive matchups. Isaac has done most of his defensive mayhem on the perimeter…he’s starting because he’s the best-suited guy already on the roster.

Hartenstein is nice, but he doesn’t displace Isaac, imo.

I don't think JI's best role is off the bench. Healthy, he's a top 50 player.

[Skybox]

JI's ascension into the starting lineup throws an interesting wrinkle into off-season plans.

You don't really look as hard at IHart and Claxton, right?

If you nabbed Claxton…you could move JI right back into his perfect role…6th man, deployable at multiple positions for specific defensive matchups. Isaac has done most of his defensive mayhem on the perimeter…he’s starting because he’s the best-suited guy already on the roster.

Hartenstein is nice, but he doesn’t displace Isaac, imo.

I don't think JI's best role is off the bench. Healthy, he's a top 50 player.

In my mind, he’s playing just as many minutes, just moving around…He can play C, but that’s not his best position

[KillMonger]

What are Suggs and Franz looking at $?

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[eyriq]

What are Suggs and Franz looking at $?

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• Deni Avdija (Wizards): Four years, $55,000,000.
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• Aaron Nesmith (Pacers): Three years, $33,000,000.
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[Knightro]

What are Suggs and Franz looking at $?

I think Franz is getting a standard max and Suggs is getting like 20-25M AAV.

[CocoaFan]

The Kings only have Monk’s early bird rights, so the most they can offer him is 4/78.

That is basically the starting point because he’ll just go back to Sacramento at that price.

So you’re talking it’s gonna have to be pretty significantly over that to get him to blink.

I think something like 3/90 to 3/100 would get it done, but do you really want to pay Malik Monk $30 million a year or more?

I think 4/$90M-4/$100M will get it done. I wouldn't pay more than that. That's $12-$22M more than Sac can pay over 4 years.

[cedric76]

Offer 80 M/4 front loaded contract to Monk

Offer a 1+1 contract to goga, if he rejects it go after a vet C with similar offer

Draft BPA with highest ceiling



Monk, AB, Cole
Suggs, Jett, Cole
Franz, Houstan,joe
PB, Moe , 2024 FRP
Ji, Wcj, goga

Monk running point? Lol

Orlando’s entire issue is lack of setting up all their options.

Who Said Monk is running the point?

[cedric76]

Offer 80 M/4 front loaded contract to Monk

Offer a 1+1 contract to goga, if he rejects it go after a vet C with similar offer

Draft BPA with highest ceiling



Monk, AB, Cole
Suggs, Jett, Cole
Franz, Houstan,joe
PB, Moe , 2024 FRP
Ji, Wcj, goga

If we want Monk in Orl, that contractis going to make your toes curl. Im talking 4/130 levels of insanity. Hes going to want a huge financial reason to come here.

Who is gonna offer him that much? The max sac can offer him is 17M per, why would you bid against yourself and offer him 32.5M per?

[cedric76]

If you go after Monk, you want it to be for a fair Price and keep him as an asset. I think think Jett is our SG of the future, so once Jett is ready you can either trade monk or move him back to the bench as a luxury 6th man.

If we get Monk you can expect us to trade Cole for forward depth

In a yr or 2

Suggs, AB
Jett, Monk
Franz
PB, Moe
Ji, wcj

[cedric76]

I really want the clippers to lose to see if we go after pg13 which is the perfect fit for this team

[DiplomaticMagic]

When is the tiebreaker for our draft pick this year held?