2024 NBA Playoffs - East 1st Round: #4 Cleveland Cavaliers vs. #5 Orlando Magic (CLE WINS 4-3)

[mg]

We have one. I hope you're not saying Paolo can't. You saw the spacing Paolo deals with on a nightly basis. Not only that, he's doing what he does as a first time playoff performer. . . At 21 years old.

I’m saying you don’t have one currently. Not making any statements on whether Paolo can or can’t be one down the road, but today he clearly is not one.

Okay, fair enough. Whether Paolo turns into that or not, I do agree with your premise. The Magic should try their hardest to get a guy like Mitchell or Young this coming offseason.

Sure but the Magic would likely need to deal someone like Franz in that scenario. I don't know if Mitchell would stick around anyway.

Black might be able to take over the Fultz role next season and hopefully Jett will step up. Magic still need to upgrade Anthony and Harris. There should be several scoring guards available thru FA/trade this offseason. They will obviously be 1-2 tiers below Trae/Mitchell but shouldn't cost an arm and a leg to acquire either.

[Viper1500]

The rebounding talk is funny… Cleveland won the rebound battle because Orlando bricked everything not because of size, toughness, or whatever else someone wants to attribute it to

Cavs out-rebounded the magic by 14. The Magic missed 13 more shots than the Cavs…. There’s your rebounding defense.

Whatever helps your coping process.

Math is math my friend

[thelead]

The rebounding talk is funny… Cleveland won the rebound battle because Orlando bricked everything not because of size, toughness, or whatever else someone wants to attribute it to

Cavs out-rebounded the magic by 14. The Magic missed 13 more shots than the Cavs…. There’s your rebounding defense.

Whatever helps your coping process.

What coping? I fully expect Cleveland to win and honestly don’t care what happens in this series as long as the main magic core do not get injured.

If we play a game and I miss all of my shots and you make all of yours, I not only expect you to win the game but also expect you to win the rebounding ‘contest’. Basketball isn’t very complicated to understand.

[JujitsuFlip]

The rebounding talk is funny… Cleveland won the rebound battle because Orlando bricked everything not because of size, toughness, or whatever else someone wants to attribute it to

Cavs out-rebounded the magic by 14. The Magic missed 13 more shots than the Cavs…. There’s your rebounding defense.

Whatever helps your coping process.

What coping? I fully expect Cleveland to win and honestly don’t care what happens in this series as long as the main magic core do not get injured.

If we play a game and I miss all of my shots and you make all of yours, I not only expect you to win the game but also expect you to win the rebounding ‘contest’. Basketball isn’t very complicated to understand.

I do agree with you all but i will say last season the Cavs got killed because of offensive rebounding, which led to lots of second chance points. So even though the Knicks missed shots they were snagging the boards.

Idk if the Magic have any guys who just eat the offensive glass but if ya do, could be a way to flip the series.

Obviously just making more of the open shots could make the series tighter too but seemed to be a lid on the basket as the teams went a combined 16/67 from deep.

[thelead]

Whatever helps your coping process.

What coping? I fully expect Cleveland to win and honestly don’t care what happens in this series as long as the main magic core do not get injured.

If we play a game and I miss all of my shots and you make all of yours, I not only expect you to win the game but also expect you to win the rebounding ‘contest’. Basketball isn’t very complicated to understand.

I do agree with you all but i will say last season the Cavs got killed because of offensive rebounding, which led to lots of second chance points. So even though the Knicks missed shots they were snagging the boards.

Idk if the Magic have any guys who just eat the offensive glass but if ya do, could be a way to flip the series.

Obviously just making more of the open shots could make the series tighter too but seemed to be a lid on the basket as the teams went a combined 16/67 from deep.

The magic are a good rebounding team but no, we don’t have a super talented offensive rebounder in general.

[Roger Murdock]

Cavs actually had one of the highest rebound% in the NBA this season. They do tend to get dominted by teams that aggressively crash the glass (chicago, NYK) because their scheme has lots of defensive rotation and our bigs are frequently not in good position.

I expected the Magic to study NYK tape from last year but they did nothing to abuse any of our weaknesses or mismatches. I feel much better about the series now, I was expected us to get wildly outcoached.

[Residual-Heat]

Cavs actually had one of the highest rebound% in the NBA this season. They do tend to get dominted by teams that aggressively crash the glass (chicago, NYK) because their scheme has lots of defensive rotation and our bigs are frequently not in good position.

I expected the Magic to study NYK tape from last year but they did nothing to abuse any of our weaknesses or mismatches. I feel much better about the series now, I was expected us to get wildly outcoached.

Mosley is no Thibs. He is not a horrible coach, especially for developing a young team, but he has a lot to learn. This is just his 3rd season as a head coach. Never been to the play offs before.

[JujitsuFlip]

Cavs actually had one of the highest rebound% in the NBA this season. They do tend to get dominted by teams that aggressively crash the glass (chicago, NYK) because their scheme has lots of defensive rotation and our bigs are frequently not in good position.

I expected the Magic to study NYK tape from last year but they did nothing to abuse any of our weaknesses or mismatches. I feel much better about the series now, I was expected us to get wildly outcoached.

Yeah, i think that is why they tanked for the Magic. Inexperienced team plus inexperienced coach.

The Pacers are a weaker defensive team but Carlisle has a title, so he potetinally coulda had jb's head spinning like Thibs did last season.

[jbk1234]

Cavs actually had one of the highest rebound% in the NBA this season. They do tend to get dominted by teams that aggressively crash the glass (chicago, NYK) because their scheme has lots of defensive rotation and our bigs are frequently not in good position.

I expected the Magic to study NYK tape from last year but they did nothing to abuse any of our weaknesses or mismatches. I feel much better about the series now, I was expected us to get wildly outcoached.

Mobley over helps, or helps late, sometimes, and I'm not sure that's all coaching. Wade and TT are just much better rebounders than Niang and Jones.

Also, we don't have a single wing or guard who rebounds at a high rate as to where the Knicks have the best rebounding guard in the NBA. If you can secure the defensive rebound, you can make the other team pay for having guards crash the offensive glass by running out, but you have to secure the defensive rebound first, and too often neither LeVert nor Okoro wait for the first part.

[The Real Dalic]

I’m saying you don’t have one currently. Not making any statements on whether Paolo can or can’t be one down the road, but today he clearly is not one.

Okay, fair enough. Whether Paolo turns into that or not, I do agree with your premise. The Magic should try their hardest to get a guy like Mitchell or Young this coming offseason.

Sure but the Magic would likely need to deal someone like Franz in that scenario. I don't know if Mitchell would stick around anyway.

Black might be able to take over the Fultz role next season and hopefully Jett will step up. Magic still need to upgrade Anthony and Harris. There should be several scoring guards available thru FA/trade this offseason. They will obviously be 1-2 tiers below Trae/Mitchell but shouldn't cost an arm and a leg to acquire either.

This is always said. The Magic will not have to trade either one of Paolo, Franz, or Suggs for a star unless it's Luka. The Cavs didn't even have to give up anyone from their top 3 to get Mitchell with more years on him. The Magic own all of their picks, have tons of cap space, and other young players they can use to build around like Black and Howard.

[JujitsuFlip]

Okay, fair enough. Whether Paolo turns into that or not, I do agree with your premise. The Magic should try their hardest to get a guy like Mitchell or Young this coming offseason.

Sure but the Magic would likely need to deal someone like Franz in that scenario. I don't know if Mitchell would stick around anyway.

Black might be able to take over the Fultz role next season and hopefully Jett will step up. Magic still need to upgrade Anthony and Harris. There should be several scoring guards available thru FA/trade this offseason. They will obviously be 1-2 tiers below Trae/Mitchell but shouldn't cost an arm and a leg to acquire either.

This is always said. The Magic will not have to trade either one of Paolo, Franz, or Suggs for a star unless it's Luka. The Cavs didn't even have to give up anyone from their top 3 to get Mitchell with more years on him. The Magic own all of their picks, have tons of cap space, and other young players they can use to build around like Black and Howard.

I think an all-in trade like that only makes sense, if the player fits the core.

The Cavs got Mitchell because he was a far superior talent than any single asset they surrendered but it tanked their entire future and any cap or asset flexibility they had. The issue was he didn't fill the massive hole they had at SF so the trade really made no sense.

Maybe the Cavs win this seires and somehow the Celtics get injured or something next round and the Cavs have a chance at Mitchell's first career conference berth.

Outside of that, the guy most likely will not extend for the 2nd summer in a row and the Cavs will be up the creek without a paddle.

[3ddman23]

Ya wanna rag on the magic so much but yet all these teams getting blown out. Let's cut back on the magic getting swept a bit.

[Ugly Duckling]

two pretty boring teams. i used to like garland's game, but he fell off some

[jbk1234]

two pretty boring teams. i used to like garland's game, but he fell off some

The Magic have Suggs on Garland. The smart thing to do in that scenario is for Garland to run the offense and let Mitchell take more shots. It would be dumb for Garland to try to take over the game with Gary Harris on Mitchell and Garland is a heady player.

[durden_tyler]

No surprise here despite the G1 blowout: Magic dogs by 5.5 same as the opening game. i think they cover and maybe even steal the win…

[KazuoOda]

Sure but the Magic would likely need to deal someone like Franz in that scenario. I don't know if Mitchell would stick around anyway.

Black might be able to take over the Fultz role next season and hopefully Jett will step up. Magic still need to upgrade Anthony and Harris. There should be several scoring guards available thru FA/trade this offseason. They will obviously be 1-2 tiers below Trae/Mitchell but shouldn't cost an arm and a leg to acquire either.

This is always said. The Magic will not have to trade either one of Paolo, Franz, or Suggs for a star unless it's Luka. The Cavs didn't even have to give up anyone from their top 3 to get Mitchell with more years on him. The Magic own all of their picks, have tons of cap space, and other young players they can use to build around like Black and Howard.

I think an all-in trade like that only makes sense, if the player fits the core.

The Cavs got Mitchell because he was a far superior talent than any single asset they surrendered but it tanked their entire future and any cap or asset flexibility they had. The issue was he didn't fill the massive hole they had at SF so the trade really made no sense.

Maybe the Cavs win this seires and somehow the Celtics get injured or something next round and the Cavs have a chance at Mitchell's first career conference berth.

Outside of that, the guy most likely will not extend for the 2nd summer in a row and the Cavs will be up the creek without a paddle.

Yea all of this is false...
You got it though.. Carry on.

[JonFromVA]

The rebounding talk is funny… Cleveland won the rebound battle because Orlando bricked everything not because of size, toughness, or whatever else someone wants to attribute it to

Cavs out-rebounded the magic by 14. The Magic missed 13 more shots than the Cavs…. There’s your rebounding defense.

I suppose it's how they bricked and that's something perhaps they could adjust in game 2. Securing those defense rebounds is no given especially since the Magic typically have a length advantage at the 3 perimeter positions, but the Cavs were focusing on team rebounding to avoid a repeat.

What the Knicks did was got the Cavs bigs to overhelp against their guard penetration letting Robinson feast. One difference is Robinson and Hartenstein naturally play near the rim, so they can easily take advantage and can shrug off a small guard trying to box them out.

Playing 5-out like the Magic do could force Mobley and Allen out of the paint, but all 5 guys need to be able to shoot or the Cavs will cheat. It's a lot of pressure on a rook, but I would think the Magic would at least want to give Anthony Black a chance in the series at some point. The future isn't Harris and Fultz.

[JustBuzzin]

Lmao they gave the Cavs/Magic the NBA tv game tonight.

[JujitsuFlip]

This is always said. The Magic will not have to trade either one of Paolo, Franz, or Suggs for a star unless it's Luka. The Cavs didn't even have to give up anyone from their top 3 to get Mitchell with more years on him. The Magic own all of their picks, have tons of cap space, and other young players they can use to build around like Black and Howard.

I think an all-in trade like that only makes sense, if the player fits the core.

The Cavs got Mitchell because he was a far superior talent than any single asset they surrendered but it tanked their entire future and any cap or asset flexibility they had. The issue was he didn't fill the massive hole they had at SF so the trade really made no sense.

Maybe the Cavs win this seires and somehow the Celtics get injured or something next round and the Cavs have a chance at Mitchell's first career conference berth.

Outside of that, the guy most likely will not extend for the 2nd summer in a row and the Cavs will be up the creek without a paddle.

Yea all of this is false...
You got it though.. Carry on.

False in what way? lol

Did Mitchell fill the gaping hole at SF? No

Has Mitchell ever made it past the 2nd round? No

Did Mitchell refuse to extend last summer? Yes

It is all factual, if you disagree with it, cool, say that but there are no falsehoods here.

[JujitsuFlip]

Lmao they gave the Cavs/Magic the NBA tv game tonight.

And Thursday, although the NFL draft will be on that day so not sure TNT vs NBA TV will matter much that night.