TroubleS0me wrote:
I really hope we keep him beyond this year. Spo should have been playing him a lot more.
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TroubleS0me wrote:
IceColdCubano wrote:The Philly game is another indicator of his inefficiencies, had a ton of quality looks and missed them all. Once Jimmy went down be became the guy, and even as philly was adjusting to focus on him by the end of the 3rd quarter he just didn't have the focus, and struggled from everywhere on the court.
Rapaz wrote:IceColdCubano wrote:Tyler Herro's value plummeting this series is absolutely the worse thing for this team moving forward. Trying to use him in any upcoming trades, it will ultimately cost them additional assets they wouldn't have to send out previously if he would just play up to his value.
Rozier, Jovic, Jaquez, Highsmith, ORob and pick(s) is what you have to work with. A package built around Herro will be met with laughter around the league.
VaDe255 wrote:IceColdCubano wrote:The Philly game is another indicator of his inefficiencies, had a ton of quality looks and missed them all. Once Jimmy went down be became the guy, and even as philly was adjusting to focus on him by the end of the 3rd quarter he just didn't have the focus, and struggled from everywhere on the court.
I guess you can just box score watch and say he went 9/27 scored 25 pts and that is the whole story.
What really happened though, they went into the 4th quarter with a 5p lead and Tyler was 4-17, despite him being awful they had the lead they needed.
Jimmy hobbled, Bam not able to do anything with Embiid guarding the paint.
Tyler was the only guy who was aggressive in the 4th quarter, scored 16 pts on 5/10 shooting.
He wasn't the reason they lost that game, they just didn't get stops (76ers went 4/8 from 3 in the 4th) and the rest of the team combined for only 14 pts on 7/16 2p shot attempts in the 4th.
I don't consider that a negative performance from Tyler, doing what he did in the 4th was impressive when they had no one else and all defensive attention was on him.
If they win that game, the narrative is quite different (and it happens if only one possession turns out positive for them, e.g. Spo should have really challenged that clear out of bounds that lead to a 3p play instead).
The two play in games were very encouraging for what he did, that first Boston game he was awful; passive and didn't even want the ball, passed up shots late in the shot clock too
I'm not as down on Tyler as most of you, whatever they do if they trade him or not, I'm fine with it.
He's probably a bit overpaid right now and needs to improve to make his contract valuable, but this isn't all negative and he is not as bad as ppl make him out to be.
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Rapaz wrote:IceColdCubano wrote:Tyler Herro's value plummeting this series is absolutely the worse thing for this team moving forward. Trying to use him in any upcoming trades, it will ultimately cost them additional assets they wouldn't have to send out previously if he would just play up to his value.
Rozier, Jovic, Jaquez, Highsmith, ORob and pick(s) is what you have to work with. A package built around Herro will be met with laughter around the league.
I think Herro could possibly get someone like Brandon Ingram who's going into the final year of his deal and not wanting to resign with the Pels. I know that Herro has a fan in Zion. Maybe Schwartz is apt to be fine with his clients swapping teams here as he can work on an extension for Ingram with the Heat and Herro gets a change of scenery. That's about the best I can see us doing with Herro. My thought with Mitchell is he either signs the max with the Cavs or we get beat out by another team with a lot more assets.
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:Rapaz wrote:Rozier, Jovic, Jaquez, Highsmith, ORob and pick(s) is what you have to work with. A package built around Herro will be met with laughter around the league.
I think Herro could possibly get someone like Brandon Ingram who's going into the final year of his deal and not wanting to resign with the Pels. I know that Herro has a fan in Zion. Maybe Schwartz is apt to be fine with his clients swapping teams here as he can work on an extension for Ingram with the Heat and Herro gets a change of scenery. That's about the best I can see us doing with Herro. My thought with Mitchell is he either signs the max with the Cavs or we get beat out by another team with a lot more assets.
I’ve always wanted Ingram, watching him last night has me cold on him right now. He was horrible and he’s also always injured
VaDe255 wrote:IceColdCubano wrote:The Philly game is another indicator of his inefficiencies, had a ton of quality looks and missed them all. Once Jimmy went down be became the guy, and even as philly was adjusting to focus on him by the end of the 3rd quarter he just didn't have the focus, and struggled from everywhere on the court.
I guess you can just box score watch and say he went 9/27 scored 25 pts and that is the whole story.
What really happened though, they went into the 4th quarter with a 5p lead and Tyler was 4-17, despite him being awful they had the lead they needed.
Jimmy hobbled, Bam not able to do anything with Embiid guarding the paint.
Tyler was the only guy who was aggressive in the 4th quarter, scored 16 pts on 5/10 shooting.
He wasn't the reason they lost that game, they just didn't get stops (76ers went 4/8 from 3 in the 4th) and the rest of the team combined for only 14 pts on 7/16 2p shot attempts in the 4th.
I don't consider that a negative performance from Tyler, doing what he did in the 4th was impressive when they had no one else and all defensive attention was on him.
If they win that game, the narrative is quite different (and it happens if only one possession turns out positive for them, e.g. Spo should have really challenged that clear out of bounds that lead to a 3p play instead).
The two play in games were very encouraging for what he did, that first Boston game he was awful; passive and didn't even want the ball, passed up shots late in the shot clock too
I'm not as down on Tyler as most of you, whatever they do if they trade him or not, I'm fine with it.
He's probably a bit overpaid right now and needs to improve to make his contract valuable, but this isn't all negative and he is not as bad as ppl make him out to be.
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Rapaz wrote:IceColdCubano wrote:Tyler Herro's value plummeting this series is absolutely the worse thing for this team moving forward. Trying to use him in any upcoming trades, it will ultimately cost them additional assets they wouldn't have to send out previously if he would just play up to his value.
Rozier, Jovic, Jaquez, Highsmith, ORob and pick(s) is what you have to work with. A package built around Herro will be met with laughter around the league.
I think Herro could possibly get someone like Brandon Ingram who's going into the final year of his deal and not wanting to resign with the Pels. I know that Herro has a fan in Zion. Maybe Schwartz is apt to be fine with his clients swapping teams here as he can work on an extension for Ingram with the Heat and Herro gets a change of scenery. That's about the best I can see us doing with Herro.
Flash4thewin wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:Rapaz wrote:Rozier, Jovic, Jaquez, Highsmith, ORob and pick(s) is what you have to work with. A package built around Herro will be met with laughter around the league.
I think Herro could possibly get someone like Brandon Ingram who's going into the final year of his deal and not wanting to resign with the Pels. I know that Herro has a fan in Zion. Maybe Schwartz is apt to be fine with his clients swapping teams here as he can work on an extension for Ingram with the Heat and Herro gets a change of scenery. That's about the best I can see us doing with Herro.
Ingram was trying to qualify for the super max, thats why he had no intention of signing an extension. Remember he is all about the money. Do you think he looks at us and thinks, yeah this is the team I will lose millions to play for after what the Celtics did to us? Thats not even accounting for the horrible fit Herro is for that team with CJ McCollum. Unless Herro becomes Wade 2.0 in these playoffs it seems unlikely we can trade him this offseason unless we are open to adding first round picks just to move him. Our best bet is to hope next year he can improve his value and then assess the situation.
MettaWorldPanda wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:I think Herro could possibly get someone like Brandon Ingram who's going into the final year of his deal and not wanting to resign with the Pels. I know that Herro has a fan in Zion. Maybe Schwartz is apt to be fine with his clients swapping teams here as he can work on an extension for Ingram with the Heat and Herro gets a change of scenery. That's about the best I can see us doing with Herro. My thought with Mitchell is he either signs the max with the Cavs or we get beat out by another team with a lot more assets.
I’ve always wanted Ingram, watching him last night has me cold on him right now. He was horrible and he’s also always injured
But the trade is Herro for Ingram. It's basically who do you think will have the better long term future here. If your trading someone you constantly rip on and expecting a perfect player back in return it usually doesn't work out that way. My personal opinion is the Heat would have alot to work with in trying to hone in on Ingram's talent's and size here.
Johnny Fontane wrote:We’d need to swap Herro for an equally as bad contract. Time to start canvassing the league for anyone not named Jordan Poole who’s value is in the gutter also
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Johnny Fontane wrote:We’d need to swap Herro for an equally as bad contract. Time to start canvassing the league for anyone not named Jordan Poole who’s value is in the gutter also
Essentially Brandon Ingram since your going to have to pay him a decent amount of money once you trade for him.
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Johnny Fontane wrote:We’d need to swap Herro for an equally as bad contract. Time to start canvassing the league for anyone not named Jordan Poole who’s value is in the gutter also
Essentially Brandon Ingram since your going to have to pay him a decent amount of money once you trade for him.
Johnny Fontane wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:Johnny Fontane wrote:We’d need to swap Herro for an equally as bad contract. Time to start canvassing the league for anyone not named Jordan Poole who’s value is in the gutter also
Essentially Brandon Ingram since your going to have to pay him a decent amount of money once you trade for him.
Has the feel we’ll get outbid though again
IceColdCubano wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:Johnny Fontane wrote:We’d need to swap Herro for an equally as bad contract. Time to start canvassing the league for anyone not named Jordan Poole who’s value is in the gutter also
Essentially Brandon Ingram since your going to have to pay him a decent amount of money once you trade for him.
Or hear me out, trade for him and use him for that year and see if he lives up to the value, and if not let him go into free agency and Boom you've clear a bunch of money of your teams salary.
balla345 wrote:We have lost 7 of our last 8 games to Boston
MettaWorldPanda wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:I think Herro could possibly get someone like Brandon Ingram who's going into the final year of his deal and not wanting to resign with the Pels. I know that Herro has a fan in Zion. Maybe Schwartz is apt to be fine with his clients swapping teams here as he can work on an extension for Ingram with the Heat and Herro gets a change of scenery. That's about the best I can see us doing with Herro. My thought with Mitchell is he either signs the max with the Cavs or we get beat out by another team with a lot more assets.
I’ve always wanted Ingram, watching him last night has me cold on him right now. He was horrible and he’s also always injured
But the trade is Herro for Ingram. It's basically who do you think will have the better long term future here. If your trading someone you constantly rip on and expecting a perfect player back in return it usually doesn't work out that way. My personal opinion is the Heat would have alot to work with in trying to hone in on Ingram's talent's and size here.