2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3

[Dalek]

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I like Castle long-term, but in watching his film he does tend to disappear offensively. He doesn't have any go to move and is not an advanced playmaker. Basically, it would be committing to a project. Reminds me a bit of Dyson Daniels in that he can be an otherworldly defender, but it may take time to develop on offense.

Castle was okay in high school, scoring 20/9.5/4.5 and his team made the quarterfinals. He ended up a five star recruit, but I think if you asked draft people a year ago if he was a lottery pick, many would not have him too high.

I do think he could end up a very good combo guard for a team in a bench role, and for his offense it might take a few years, but he could end up like Norm Powell. That's who I see him as. I am not even sure he is as explosive as Norm, but he is a good athlete.

[DreamTeam09]

You think he's got some Jimmy Butler in him?

Definitely some early jimmy vibes, no? Strong, good passer, never seems rattled and seems to see the game a few steps ahead of everyone else. He also willingly deferred and simply did what the team needed of him to win - just like Jimmy his first few years.

Would love to see him eventually develop a mid-post iso-game like Jimmy did where he can take advantage of his strength, poise, passing and touch. There's a star path there for him if things break right.

I see it for sure. Tough hard nosed wing thats not afraid to get into the lane and get after it. High IQ. The mid range is definitely an avenue for him to become that type of player. I thought Whitmore last year had Jimmy too. I think at the end of the day these guys are gamers and that elevates the team especially when things are tough in playoffs

I don't see the top6 upside. I mean if his shot becomes a weapon then yeah, but that's so far down the line that it's hard to envision. I probably could've said the same thing for Barnes coming out of school, but atleast he was 6'8-6,9.

Castle is legit tho, he's a steal outside of the top10

[DreamTeam09]

Top 6
Sarr Rischarer Holland Buzelis Williams

If we do get a pick in the top 6 then take a big

Pacers pick - Missi / Ware / Edey

If we do convey the pick

Salaun or Kyshawn George

Haven't really done my research yet on the 31st pick yet, Bobbi Klintman would be cool tho.
Or the kid who had heart issues, his game has star potential

[WuTang_CMB]

Definitely some early jimmy vibes, no? Strong, good passer, never seems rattled and seems to see the game a few steps ahead of everyone else. He also willingly deferred and simply did what the team needed of him to win - just like Jimmy his first few years.

Would love to see him eventually develop a mid-post iso-game like Jimmy did where he can take advantage of his strength, poise, passing and touch. There's a star path there for him if things break right.

I see it for sure. Tough hard nosed wing thats not afraid to get into the lane and get after it. High IQ. The mid range is definitely an avenue for him to become that type of player. I thought Whitmore last year had Jimmy too. I think at the end of the day these guys are gamers and that elevates the team especially when things are tough in playoffs

I don't see the top6 upside. I mean if his shot becomes a weapon then yeah, but that's so far down the line that it's hard to envision. I probably could've said the same thing for Barnes coming out of school, but atleast he was 6'8-6,9.

Castle is legit tho, he's a steal outside of the top10

This draft is a toss up in the top 10 so if teams think they can transform his shooting knowing he's a tough POS and team defender, all power to them

[Dalek]

This was a super impressive game against a really good player in Devin Carter. Castle is a stud. The shot needs work, but his touch is great. I think it comes around eventually. It's between him and Holland at #2 for me. The fit beside Quickley is perfect.

You think he's got some Jimmy Butler in him?

Definitely some early jimmy vibes, no? Strong, good passer, never seems rattled and seems to see the game a few steps ahead of everyone else. He also willingly deferred and simply did what the team needed of him to win - just like Jimmy his first few years.

Would love to see him eventually develop a mid-post iso-game like Jimmy did where he can take advantage of his strength, poise, passing and touch. There's a star path there for him if things break right.

I like Castle's poise, but at the same time it is not hard to feel secure being on the best team in college and having probably the best coach to keep things simple for his role. I'd argue their best playmaker was Tristen Newton and having Cam Spencer and Karaban to space the floor helped. Castle excelled in his defensive role, but it is hard to draft a 27% three point shooter as a future starter. He had 14 of 34 games scoring under 10 points.

How patient will Toronto be with him if he doesn't score in first couple years? The bench has him and Ochai on court which is very low scoring and his playmaking is not going to be a plus without another handler. With starters there isn't close to enough shooting to have him. I like him long-term, but it is a weird fit with Toronto.

[ATLTimekeeper]

They just post their own big board and put it in draft order. Honestly mocks are useless, I just want to stay informed so like last year I can see who gets a steal (like Podz) and whose front office is inept and drafts someone like Hood Schifino.
Also, I want to know how to feel about our draft pick.

GS got Podz, but they picked Wiseman, when they should've drafted Lamelo. With drafting Lamelo, might've finsished better and still drafted Moody but now also draft Sengun. Both those drafts, I was hoping that they wouldn't draft either and they passed on both. Kind of like hoping the Knicks didn't draft Demar Derozan and they took Jordan Hill.

PG LaMelo - Curry
SG Curry - Moody
SF Klay - Wiggins
PF Draymond - Sengun
C Sengun - Looney - TJD

Worth noting Bob Myers made the Wiseman pick, and the Kuminga/Moody picks. Dunleavy Jr. made the Podz/TJD picks. Overall Myers draft record was unspectacular. He inherited the Splash Brothers, got lucky with Draymond.

[grant101]

You think he's got some Jimmy Butler in him?

Definitely some early jimmy vibes, no? Strong, good passer, never seems rattled and seems to see the game a few steps ahead of everyone else. He also willingly deferred and simply did what the team needed of him to win - just like Jimmy his first few years.

Would love to see him eventually develop a mid-post iso-game like Jimmy did where he can take advantage of his strength, poise, passing and touch. There's a star path there for him if things break right.

I like Castle's poise, but at the same time it is not hard to feel secure being on the best team in college and having probably the best coach to keep things simple for his role. I'd argue their best playmaker was Tristen Newton and having Cam Spencer and Karaban to space the floor helped. Castle excelled in his defensive role, but it is hard to draft a 27% three point shooter as a future starter. He had 14 of 34 games scoring under 10 points.

How patient will Toronto be with him if he doesn't score in first couple years? The bench has him and Ochai on court which is very low scoring and his playmaking is not going to be a plus without another handler. With starters there isn't close to enough shooting to have him. I like him long-term, but it is a weird fit with Toronto.

If we draft Castle, I'd want him starting. He fits in well next to Quick IMO as a secondary playmaker, big SG with elite perimeter defence and good rebounding for his position. GTJ would lead bench units in this scenario. While not a shooter, Castle is a good off-ball player (passing, screening, cutting, etc.). If you can coach him up to hit the corner three at ~33%, I think he holds up just fine. Also, I would not let trying to find rotation minutes for Ochai affect my drafting at all.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I like Castle's poise, but at the same time it is not hard to feel secure being on the best team in college and having probably the best coach to keep things simple for his role. I'd argue their best playmaker was Tristen Newton and having Cam Spencer and Karaban to space the floor helped. Castle excelled in his defensive role, but it is hard to draft a 27% three point shooter as a future starter. He had 14 of 34 games scoring under 10 points.

How patient will Toronto be with him if he doesn't score in first couple years? The bench has him and Ochai on court which is very low scoring and his playmaking is not going to be a plus without another handler. With starters there isn't close to enough shooting to have him. I like him long-term, but it is a weird fit with Toronto.

Agree. Castle is a guy you consider at 15, not 6. The Raptors would be betting on him exploding into another Scottie, when most of the time these types stay like Daniels, Sochan, etc. I'm not spending #6 on Bruce Brown 2.0. If his production was a lot better I'd be happier, but he's unspectacular there.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Quickley
Barrett
Buzelis
Barnes
Poeltl

='Ship

[Psubs]

I see it for sure. Tough hard nosed wing thats not afraid to get into the lane and get after it. High IQ. The mid range is definitely an avenue for him to become that type of player. I thought Whitmore last year had Jimmy too. I think at the end of the day these guys are gamers and that elevates the team especially when things are tough in playoffs

I don't see the top6 upside. I mean if his shot becomes a weapon then yeah, but that's so far down the line that it's hard to envision. I probably could've said the same thing for Barnes coming out of school, but atleast he was 6'8-6,9.

Castle is legit tho, he's a steal outside of the top10

This draft is a toss up in the top 10 so if teams think they can transform his shooting knowing he's a tough POS and team defender, all power to them

I see Castle as Isaac Okoro with PG/SG handles. Maybe a bigger Davion Mitchell as a floor?

[LoveMyRaps]

Not sure if this comp has been made yet but I've always seen some similarities between UConn Castle and OSU Smart.

Smart was the better defender though.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

There's no consensus #1 pick in this year's draft, is there?

[Thaddy]

Quickley
Barrett
Buzelis
Barnes
Poeltl

='Ship

What about Buzelis' game makes him better than Kyshawn George or Kyle Filipowski? He doesn't have any defining skills or athletic attributes. Filipowski is a true 7 footer and he can shoot and see the floor pretty well. George has guard skills at 6'8 and worse case is a younger Trey Murphy. I would argue Buzelis is the biggest candidate other than Topic to fall in this draft.

There's no consensus #1 pick in this year's draft, is there?

It's likely Sarr because of the shift towards bigs like Wemby and Chet.

[HumbleRen]

There's no consensus #1 pick in this year's draft, is there?

Sarr is pretty clearly the consensus #1 pick IMO.

I like Sarr but the fact that he's the consensus #1 pick kind of shows how lackluster this draft is.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Not sure if this comp has been made yet but I've always seen some similarities between UConn Castle and OSU Smart.

Smart was the better defender though.

Smart put up a 10.2 BPM as a freshman.

Castle is respectable yet unspectacular at 6.5

If Castle did more, I would like him more. Right now I just see a tourney bump player.

[DreamTeam09]

Quickley
Barrett
Buzelis
Barnes
Poeltl

='Ship

What about Buzelis' game makes him better than Kyshawn George or Kyle Filipowski? He doesn't have any defining skills or athletic attributes. Filipowski is a true 7 footer and he can shoot and see the floor pretty well. George has guard skills at 6'8 and worse case is a younger Trey Murphy. I would argue Buzelis is the biggest candidate other than Topic to fall in this draft.

There's no consensus #1 pick in this year's draft, is there?

It's likely Sarr because of the shift towards bigs like Wemby and Chet.

Filip cannot handle the ball like Matas, and George does have the handle, but he's not a 3/4 or 4/3 like Matas. His skill is his size to skill ratio.
I'm a George fan, but I see why Matas would be rated higher.
You're also downplaying Matas athletic ability, he has some power behind him when he moves & jumps

[LoveMyRaps]

Not sure if this comp has been made yet but I've always seen some similarities between UConn Castle and OSU Smart.

Smart was the better defender though.

Smart put up a 10.2 BPM as a freshman.

Castle is respectable yet unspectacular at 6.5

If Castle did more, I would like him more. Right now I just see a tourney bump player.

Ya Smart was definitely better, no denying that. But their styles are sorta similar.

You're right though, I'm not entirely sold on Castle. Heck, I'd much rather draft McCain - whose stock rose all season long and he continued to look better and better. (8.5 BPM ain't too shabby either)

[OAKLEY_2]

Definitely some early jimmy vibes, no? Strong, good passer, never seems rattled and seems to see the game a few steps ahead of everyone else. He also willingly deferred and simply did what the team needed of him to win - just like Jimmy his first few years.

Would love to see him eventually develop a mid-post iso-game like Jimmy did where he can take advantage of his strength, poise, passing and touch. There's a star path there for him if things break right.

I like Castle's poise, but at the same time it is not hard to feel secure being on the best team in college and having probably the best coach to keep things simple for his role. I'd argue their best playmaker was Tristen Newton and having Cam Spencer and Karaban to space the floor helped. Castle excelled in his defensive role, but it is hard to draft a 27% three point shooter as a future starter. He had 14 of 34 games scoring under 10 points.

How patient will Toronto be with him if he doesn't score in first couple years? The bench has him and Ochai on court which is very low scoring and his playmaking is not going to be a plus without another handler. With starters there isn't close to enough shooting to have him. I like him long-term, but it is a weird fit with Toronto.

If we draft Castle, I'd want him starting. He fits in well next to Quick IMO as a secondary playmaker, big SG with elite perimeter defence and good rebounding for his position. GTJ would lead bench units in this scenario. While not a shooter, Castle is a good off-ball player (passing, screening, cutting, etc.). If you can coach him up to hit the corner three at ~33%, I think he holds up just fine. Also, I would not let trying to find rotation minutes for Ochai affect my drafting at all.

People should remember where was Scottie shooting when we got him? Where was his scoring? Oh I know he was living off his other skills. Where was OG handling the ball? Oh I know throwing two clumsy high bounces off the hardwood and lucky enough to step into those one handed bouncers. OG is still a below average rebounder for a big strong wing.

Castle is a stud. He's just raw and on UConn he did not get the keys to the Kingdom. Not unheard of in a big winning program for a freshman.

What you get out of the gate I read on realgm:
"Castle is also a player that should thrive in transition in the NBA. And the fact he is such a good defender will provide him with all sorts of opportunities to get out on the break."

That sounds like a Raptor pick to me.

[grant101]

I don't see the top6 upside. I mean if his shot becomes a weapon then yeah, but that's so far down the line that it's hard to envision. I probably could've said the same thing for Barnes coming out of school, but atleast he was 6'8-6,9.

Castle is legit tho, he's a steal outside of the top10

This draft is a toss up in the top 10 so if teams think they can transform his shooting knowing he's a tough POS and team defender, all power to them

I see Castle as Isaac Okoro with PG/SG handles. Maybe a bigger Davion Mitchell as a floor?

My favourite comp is actually the one you used earlier: Dyson Daniels. A little less passing, but more self creation.

[Yallbecrazy]

Not sure if this comp has been made yet but I've always seen some similarities between UConn Castle and OSU Smart.

Smart was the better defender though.

Smart put up a 10.2 BPM as a freshman.

Castle is respectable yet unspectacular at 6.5

If Castle did more, I would like him more. Right now I just see a tourney bump player.

Smart was an incredible prospect who would be a solid #1 overall pick in any draft year. Unfortunately he never got any better, same player now that he was a rookie.