art_tatum wrote:Hold your horses, sure I think jokers peak is up there but no way is he levels above guys like Lebron curry and shaq. At best they are around the same.
Jokers been dominating the league but he hasn't been more dominant as shaq or curry during their peak.
Joker is back to back mvp, 1 chip so far. His teams haven't completely crushed the regular season or playoffs. He's had his failings before and don't mention what ifs or oh he could've had 3 mvps. We could do the what if's for shaq curry and Lebron easily.
But the facts are:
Shaq 3 peated 16-1 in the playoffs. West playoffs teams all had their 14/15th roster guys lumbering bigs to deal with shaq aka foul him.
Curry had his teams go 67 and 73 wins, back to back mvp one unanimous, changed the way the game is now played. Then kd came and they dominated the league two more years but that turned into a super team.
Lebrons peak is just as good with the mvps and 2 titles in Miami even if it's a super team.
Shaq went 15-1 in the playoffs with Kobe, had to go to a game 7 in 2000 and 2002, couldn't make free throws, and got swept in 1999 and 1998.
Curry might have a higher regular season peak, but Jokic is better in the playoffs.
2001 Shaq: 30, 15, and 3, 56.4 TS%, 28.7 PER, 6.5 BPM, 1.4 VORP
2017 Curry: 28, 7, and 6, 65.9 TS%, 27.1 PER, 9.7 BPM, 1.8 VORP
2023 Jokic: 30, 14, and 10, 63.1 TS%, 31.2 PER, 12.8 BPM, 3.0 VORP
And I'll take Kobe or Durant over Murray. You can say Curry won without Durant, but his playoff numbers weren't nearly as good those years.