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paulpressey25 wrote:msiris wrote:People get blinded by one game and it was a loss. Lol
Think this year has sucked so bad, we’ve lowered expections to where we are overjoyed with Middleton doing a great nostalgia act. Like seeing Mick Jagger belt out a great version of Jumpin Jack Flash at age 80.
MiltownMadness wrote:This is a super depressing place if you interpret people here as overjoyed
And Mids has been good all year when healthy, was predictable (expected) he would show up for the playoffs
paulpressey25 wrote:MiltownMadness wrote:This is a super depressing place if you interpret people here as overjoyed
And Mids has been good all year when healthy, was predictable (expected) he would show up for the playoffs
Let me rephrase it. Some folks on here seem to feel that all we need to do is perhaps add "Herb Jones" to the roster, and we're right back as a top 4 title favorite.
I don't subscribe to that. I think we're closer to the 2024 Phoenix Suns, than the 2018-2023 Milwaukee Bucks
The owners need to bring Giannis in for the breakfast, and see if he'll subscribe to a major overhaul. And that doesn't always mean tanking. In the case of the 1980's Bucks, they found a patsy in the Clippers, who took Marques, Junior and Harvey for TC, Pierce and Hodges. The three older guys we dealt were local legends, but we got three much younger guys, and amazingly they all panned out in their own way.
JayMKE wrote:skones wrote:JayMKE wrote:Giannis game isn't strictly based on athleticism and his production is at an all time high, it would be dumb to trade him and this franchise would never live it down. Trading Dame, Khris, Brook is easy, they aint winning ****. Dame isn't leading this team to **** on his own, he can score but that's not enough and his production is quickly falling.
Yes it is. Like who are we kidding here? He's 6'11 gets down hill and bullies you. His game hasn't evolved the way we had all hoped. He's gotten better at what he does well, but his skillset just never really expanded into more shooting, finesse, post skill etc. He's completely incapable playing off ball because he has no **** clue what to do. Why didn't Dame and Giannis take off as a pair? Giannis is the culprit. And we just watched a year of basketball that shows why Giannis won't age well. He COULD if he wanted to be a dominant roll man, but he won't. He'll keep doing the same thing he's always done while the impact and efficiency declines.
Its only been the opposite, Giannis isn't as athletic now than he was in his early twenties but gotten more efficient every year and his value is more than just 3 steps from half court. Why did Dame/Giannis not take off as a pair? Mostly because the Bucks don't run a real offense and both guys need to pound the ball, however Giannis's stats got better while it was Dame who was greatly diminished impact & efficiency wise. You can't blame Giannis for Dame not being able to create or play off the dribble, Giannis & Khris play off each way better. You have to admit its a Dame issue. Giannis could conceivably change his game given his unique skillset and would still be effective especially more defensive & creation focused on offense if he can't beat guys off the dribble or muscle thru them. Career bad defender is always going to be a bad defender, especially so the older they get.
Bud was a great coach who made what he was given work and was a master of load management, he's basically everything the team needs and will be the best coach available while we're stuck with Doc Rivers who lives ISOing and running starters into the ground.
MiltownMadness wrote:Khris will most like finish this series with around 30/6/6 averages on great TS% after being our best player in the playoffs last year as well. But yeah super washed and when he does great we have to call it nostalgia performances. LOL
JayMKE wrote:skones wrote:JayMKE wrote:Giannis game isn't strictly based on athleticism and his production is at an all time high, it would be dumb to trade him and this franchise would never live it down. Trading Dame, Khris, Brook is easy, they aint winning ****. Dame isn't leading this team to **** on his own, he can score but that's not enough and his production is quickly falling.
Yes it is. Like who are we kidding here? He's 6'11 gets down hill and bullies you. His game hasn't evolved the way we had all hoped. He's gotten better at what he does well, but his skillset just never really expanded into more shooting, finesse, post skill etc. He's completely incapable playing off ball because he has no **** clue what to do. Why didn't Dame and Giannis take off as a pair? Giannis is the culprit. And we just watched a year of basketball that shows why Giannis won't age well. He COULD if he wanted to be a dominant roll man, but he won't. He'll keep doing the same thing he's always done while the impact and efficiency declines.
Its only been the opposite, Giannis isn't as athletic now than he was in his early twenties but gotten more efficient every year and his value is more than just 3 steps from half court. Why did Dame/Giannis not take off as a pair? Mostly because the Bucks don't run a real offense and both guys need to pound the ball, however Giannis's stats got better while it was Dame who was greatly diminished impact & efficiency wise. You can't blame Giannis for Dame not being able to create or play off the dribble, Giannis & Khris play off each way better. You have to admit its a Dame issue. Giannis could conceivably change his game given his unique skillset and would still be effective especially more defensive & creation focused on offense if he can't beat guys off the dribble or muscle thru them. Career bad defender is always going to be a bad defender, especially so the older they get.
Bud was a great coach who made what he was given work and was a master of load management, he's basically everything the team needs and will be the best coach available while we're stuck with Doc Rivers who lives ISOing and running starters into the ground.
MiltownMadness wrote:You're talking about trading Khris. No. He won't fetch much in a trade and is hilariously undervalued even by Bucks fans. You keep the big 3 together next year, this will work if they can stay healthy
paulpressey25 wrote:MiltownMadness wrote:You're talking about trading Khris. No. He won't fetch much in a trade and is hilariously undervalued even by Bucks fans. You keep the big 3 together next year, this will work if they can stay healthy
Narrator: They can't stay healthy
MiltownMadness wrote:
This is a Giannis thing.
MiltownMadness wrote:BroncoBuck wrote:Bobby is a 6th man being asked to do too much.
Brook Lopez is a 7 foot tall pool noodle. Tired of this **** with him.
Brook is here to play next to Giannis, their situations are not different. Both of them are being asked to do too much. Even 3 years ago he (Brook) was a 20-25 minute playoff guy. We both know Brook works as someone who uses his huge body to box out so others can get boards, demonstrated by bobby with near 20. This does not work as well when you don't have an ultra athletic alien roaming the court
BroncoBuck wrote:MiltownMadness wrote:BroncoBuck wrote:Bobby is a 6th man being asked to do too much.
Brook Lopez is a 7 foot tall pool noodle. Tired of this **** with him.
Brook is here to play next to Giannis, their situations are not different. Both of them are being asked to do too much. Even 3 years ago he (Brook) was a 20-25 minute playoff guy. We both know Brook works as someone who uses his huge body to box out so others can get boards, demonstrated by bobby with near 20. This does not work as well when you don't have an ultra athletic alien roaming the court
Brook is a 7 foot tall mountain who cannot rebound the ball or finish inside, but also can’t defend on the perimeter. Horst needs to ship him out. Never should’ve been brought back.
MiltownMadness wrote:"Our guys got old"
Someone bring up the averages of Dame and Khris this series
paulpressey25 wrote:MiltownMadness wrote:This is a super depressing place if you interpret people here as overjoyed
And Mids has been good all year when healthy, was predictable (expected) he would show up for the playoffs
Let me rephrase it. Some folks on here seem to feel that all we need to do is perhaps add "Herb Jones" to the roster, and we're right back as a top 4 title favorite.
I don't subscribe to that. I think we're closer to the 2024 Phoenix Suns, than the 2018-2023 Milwaukee Bucks
The owners need to bring Giannis in for the breakfast, and see if he'll subscribe to a major overhaul. And that doesn't always mean tanking. In the case of the 1980's Bucks, they found a patsy in the Clippers, who took Marques, Junior and Harvey for TC, Pierce and Hodges. The three older guys we dealt were local legends, but we got three much younger guys, and amazingly they all panned out in their own way.
FrieAaron wrote:MiltownMadness wrote:"Our guys got old"
Someone bring up the averages of Dame and Khris this series
Yeah, we've definitely looked old this series, but it's the others that have been more of a problem than Dame and Khris. I'd be OK just retooling everything around them. I get the injury concerns, though. It's less that one of them is always injured and more can we keep all three healthy at the same time? It's been three years since we could past the first round.
MiltownMadness wrote:BroncoBuck wrote:MiltownMadness wrote:Brook is here to play next to Giannis, their situations are not different. Both of them are being asked to do too much. Even 3 years ago he (Brook) was a 20-25 minute playoff guy. We both know Brook works as someone who uses his huge body to box out so others can get boards, demonstrated by bobby with near 20. This does not work as well when you don't have an ultra athletic alien roaming the court
Brook is a 7 foot tall mountain who cannot rebound the ball or finish inside, but also can’t defend on the perimeter. Horst needs to ship him out. Never should’ve been brought back.
I don't think you've understood what you're looking at the last 6 years