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Mr Puddles wrote:Lenneth wrote:Mr Puddles wrote:
Citizens or RealGM, I've seen this written about 10 times now.
The Suns have a first round pick in 2024, 2026,2028,2030.
They don't have a first round pick in 2025, 2027, 2029.
Technically they do... but, my God... look at all those teams with swap.
If my understanding is correct,
2024 - The worst from Wiz/Griz/Suns
2025- Gone
2026 - The worst from Wiz/Magic/Griz/Suns
2027 - Gone
2028 - The worst from Nets/Wiz/Suns
2029 - Gone
2030 - The worst from Wiz/Griz/Suns
Suns can't properly tank to rebuild with first round picks till 2030...
That's correct, the only caveat is that 2024 is already determined to be the Suns' own pick.
The suns are definitely not in a good position pick wise, I'm just responding to what keeps on being echoed about the Suns having no picks.
Like I said before, there is a big difference between having no picks over the next 7 drafts and having 4 picks (of which three may or may not be lower).
If the Suns wanted to, they could trade two first rounders this off-season, which again is a far cry from them not having any picks to trade.
tundraknight wrote:
Dan Z wrote:Mr Puddles wrote:Lenneth wrote:
Technically they do... but, my God... look at all those teams with swap.
If my understanding is correct,
2024 - The worst from Wiz/Griz/Suns
2025- Gone
2026 - The worst from Wiz/Magic/Griz/Suns
2027 - Gone
2028 - The worst from Nets/Wiz/Suns
2029 - Gone
2030 - The worst from Wiz/Griz/Suns
Suns can't properly tank to rebuild with first round picks till 2030...
That's correct, the only caveat is that 2024 is already determined to be the Suns' own pick.
The suns are definitely not in a good position pick wise, I'm just responding to what keeps on being echoed about the Suns having no picks.
Like I said before, there is a big difference between having no picks over the next 7 drafts and having 4 picks (of which three may or may not be lower).
If the Suns wanted to, they could trade two first rounders this off-season, which again is a far cry from them not having any picks to trade.
Do you mean the 2024 pick (which would have to be traded after the Suns select for a team) and the 2031 pick?
It wouldn't make sense to trade either one, but I agree with your main point...the Suns do have picks and a little room to work with (just not a lot).
TinmanZBoy wrote:what? a guy like Beal has a no trade clause in his contract?
that's so annoying ...
azcatz11 wrote:Mr Puddles wrote:azcatz11 wrote:That's crazy they don't have a FRP until 2030.
I'd be pretty surprised if he blows it up. Not even year 3. I don't think this is the type of dude to pay $4b for a rebuild.
Citizens or RealGM, I've seen this written about 10 times now.
The Suns have a first round pick in 2024, 2026,2028,2030.
They don't have a first round pick in 2025, 2027, 2029.
They’re saying it wrong on tnt - my bad
Marvin Martian wrote:Mr Puddles wrote:azcatz11 wrote:That's crazy they don't have a FRP until 2030.
I'd be pretty surprised if he blows it up. Not even year 3. I don't think this is the type of dude to pay $4b for a rebuild.
Citizens or RealGM, I've seen this written about 10 times now.
The Suns have a first round pick in 2024, 2026,2028,2030.
They don't have a first round pick in 2025, 2027, 2029.
Do they own them or are they pick swaps?
Dan Z wrote:tundraknight wrote:
I never understood why Washington gave him that contract. They were fortunate that the Suns bailed them out.
AlexanderRight wrote:Run it back one more year with a REAL point guard. They won 50 games with Beal barely playing half the season. It ain't like they fell off the map. I 'm not giving up on a KD/Booker/Beal trio off of one year.
Mr Puddles wrote:UcanUwill wrote:Mr Puddles wrote:
That was definitely not the narrative last off-season. The Wolves has messed up trading for a bad fit, and owed one more first rounder than the Suns at the time (23, 25, 27, 29), they just didn't have the same pick swaps as the Suns.
Ostensibly, they were in an unsalvageble situation and had messed up Ant's future. Gobert was past his prime, clogged up the lane for Edward's, gets exposed in the playoffs....People tend to have short memories when it comes to this stuff.
Now people are lauding the same team.
Ok, that is true. They gave way too much for Rudy even looking at it now. I just looked more at roster construction. Minny had decent roster even last year, but we didnt know Rudy and KAT could work, it wasnt working, but they turned it around. Maybe Suns can pull off the fit suddenly working but I think their construct is put together in a worse way still.
I agree with that, and I'm not trying to be that "this is fine" dog in the burning apartment - but I do think this board tends to hit the panic button irrationally quickly. I only used those two examples to showcase that a lot can happen in a few months.
Chuck Everett wrote:AlexanderRight wrote:Run it back one more year with a REAL point guard. They won 50 games with Beal barely playing half the season. It ain't like they fell off the map. I 'm not giving up on a KD/Booker/Beal trio off of one year.
Better hope you can get CP3 for a vet minimum.
Next coach gonna be called bad to avoid blaming Durant. That fool should have just stayed in Brooklyn. Now we can see he's a big part of the problem.
AlexanderRight wrote:Run it back one more year with a REAL point guard. They won 50 games with Beal barely playing half the season. It ain't like they fell off the map. I 'm not giving up on a KD/Booker/Beal trio off of one year.
AlexanderRight wrote:Chuck Everett wrote:AlexanderRight wrote:Run it back one more year with a REAL point guard. They won 50 games with Beal barely playing half the season. It ain't like they fell off the map. I 'm not giving up on a KD/Booker/Beal trio off of one year.
Better hope you can get CP3 for a vet minimum.
Next coach gonna be called bad to avoid blaming Durant. That fool should have just stayed in Brooklyn. Now we can see he's a big part of the problem.
The man played 75 games this year, averaging 27/6/5, shooting 52% from the field and 41% from 3. Realistically, how much more can we expect out of him?
Marvin Martian wrote:PhilBlackson wrote:Damn Beal’s contract almost feels Ben Simmons bad lol
His contract pretty much dooms the Suns until an inevitable rebuild. Suddenly the Nets must not feel that bad.
Simmons was bad, but the fact he rarely played meant that he couldn't take mins away from the youngsters who could be long term players on the team.
Can't say that about Beal
Mr Puddles wrote:nzahir wrote:doogie_hauser wrote:
Your franchise has garbage trade assets (bums like Rui, DLo, Reaves) plus your very few first round picks available won't come close to cutting it. Keep dreaming lol
I dont think we have the assets for Booker since hes on a long deal and I doubt he wants out, but dont act like we have nothing
We have 3 1sts, 3 swaps, this years rookie, Reaves on a very good deal, Rui is fine (bad in this series, very good in the reg season and last playoffs though), and Christie.
Didnt you guys get Jrue for like almost nothing
I think we have the assets for Mitchell if he wants out, Trae, or KD
Honesty I don't think Booker will get moved unless it's for an irrationally lobsided offer that the Suns can't say no to (or if Booker asks out). Like if the 76ers contacted the Suns offering Embiid for Booker straight up, ofcourse the Suns wouldn't be dumb enough to say no. The Suns have invested too much in making him the face of the franchise to trade him without getting a superstar in return.
bubonicphoniks wrote:Nets fan here. Feel like we should send you guys a care package.
It's hard to have expectations and then not even really be in the game post season.
KD is a monster but his late career arc is...not good to say the least.
xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:NBA: Stop kicking, punching, choking, and stomping on people.
Draymond: This is too much, I quit!