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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:unowen85 wrote:Heat are too undermanned and they are too stacked. Crazy that Herro was even able to steal a game from them on the road.
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eddieheatfan wrote:show that stat when it translate in to wins. that's the ultimate state that i care. sorry for being petulant
Kobewade11 wrote:MHeat0279 wrote:
But on the other hand, look at the teams winning the whole thing, they all have top tier talent, a lot of them through the draft, they might not come as an all star but if you have a good organization and pick the right talent then you have a gem in your hands, look at Giannis and Jokic, they were not what they are today when they got drafted. Now if you pick a player like Bam thinking he will be a generational talent then you failed your drafting exam. We need a top tier talent here in order to win, not Bam, not an aging Jimmy Buttler, at this point in their career they are good complementary players once you have that number one option. We do not need guards who can not defend either, what good is if you can score 20-25 a game but you also allow the same or more amount of points. We have been messing up for a while now, we dont need a Herro and we definitely dont need a Duncan, much less a Rozier, guards who can not play a lick of defense should not be part of this team, except in very very limited minutes. The only way you risk having a no defense player is if you get somebody like Damian, of course maybe younger. Average players with no defensive abilities should not be part of the Miami Heat, this is not our culture, we have veered so far away from what this team has always been about I can not even recognized the Miami Heat anymore. Then trying to cover up our horrible front office's moves by having player like Highsmith and company playing in a professional NBA team is just disrespectful to the fans, the product we are showcasing is putrid and pathetic and this is all in the front office and their disgusting management of salary and picks.
I’m not making the argument that Bam is a ‘generational’ talent, in the context of the original post (how to get guys like Anthony Edwards and SGA) you either have to be bad enough consistently to be at or near the top 5 of the draft, or you have to be willing to part with all-star players (Jimmy/Bam), that is how OKC got Shai. I was highlighting Bam as a flaw in putting all your chips into the draft, a lot of people wanted to tank for Fultz and we ended up with the superior player.
Interesting you say Giannis and Jokic are not what they are today when they got drafted, but if they were in Miami you would likely be trying to ship them out for Donovan Mitchell this summer.
there must be a change, regardless if the heat tanks or not. this same team will produce you similar results next season. i can guarantee you that.3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Tanking is not and has not ever been the answer. What is the most recent championship won by a tanking team? Im genuinely curious
Doesn’t really matter where you draft as long as you hit on your picks. We hit on Bam, Jaime and Jovic seem to be solid hits but we’ll see with more time if that’s the case, Herro hasn’t impacted winning. Picking Maxey over Precious could’ve been the game changer in us winning a championship tbh but you also can’t hit on them all. You need to draft good and you need to be able to attract elite talent, we have done both but now we have to capitalize on the elite talent that wants to join the team.
unowen85 wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:unowen85 wrote:Heat are too undermanned and they are too stacked. Crazy that Herro was even able to steal a game from them on the road.
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Definitely gotta give Bam credit for putting up HOF numbers last night. Unfortunately, he started to put them up after the game had been decided.
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:unowen85 wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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Definitely gotta give Bam credit for putting up HOF numbers last night. Unfortunately, he started to put them up after the game had been decided.
I know it, it’s unfortunate. Hes unable to drop 50, grab 20 rebounds with 10 assists while holding the Celtics to 0% shooting so we’re forced to settle with 25-17-5 while holding them to 30%. Been our best offensive and defensive player for the series and his impact is massive seeing as we’ve been blown out 3 games and squeaked out a close win in game 2 and he manages to only be a -4 through all that. If only he had some help against the best team in the league.
But yea game was over for the 2nd time in a row 3 minutes into the second quarter, or just whenever tf Kevin Love checked in
eddieheatfan wrote:there must be a change, regardless if the heat tanks or not. this same team will produce you similar results next season. i can guarantee you that.3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Tanking is not and has not ever been the answer. What is the most recent championship won by a tanking team? Im genuinely curious
Doesn’t really matter where you draft as long as you hit on your picks. We hit on Bam, Jaime and Jovic seem to be solid hits but we’ll see with more time if that’s the case, Herro hasn’t impacted winning. Picking Maxey over Precious could’ve been the game changer in us winning a championship tbh but you also can’t hit on them all. You need to draft good and you need to be able to attract elite talent, we have done both but now we have to capitalize on the elite talent that wants to join the team.
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jimmy is going to be older while coasting or going thru injuries
herro is limited on his defense and ballhandling abilities
duncan has arthritis, he is likely gone anyway
bam is decent but its not a first option on anything
love is going to be older as well. could be unplayable next season
jaime is a good roleplayer that will enter the sophomore year
jovic same thing
rozier is a bust
patty mills is also old
the rest of the cast is a big LOL
coach has his moments but cant produce miracles, he is stubborn as hell. we are stuck with him for quite sometime.
something has to give, you cant run it back and expect a different outcome
MHeat0279 wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:unowen85 wrote:
Definitely gotta give Bam credit for putting up HOF numbers last night. Unfortunately, he started to put them up after the game had been decided.
I know it, it’s unfortunate. Hes unable to drop 50, grab 20 rebounds with 10 assists while holding the Celtics to 0% shooting so we’re forced to settle with 25-17-5 while holding them to 30%. Been our best offensive and defensive player for the series and his impact is massive seeing as we’ve been blown out 3 games and squeaked out a close win in game 2 and he manages to only be a -4 through all that. If only he had some help against the best team in the league.
But yea game was over for the 2nd time in a row 3 minutes into the second quarter, or just whenever tf Kevin Love checked in
Best team in the league is the Denver nut huggers
MHeat0279 wrote:my post was not a shot to Bam, he has been improving as a player, it was more directed to this crazy idea even our front office has that he should be the cornerstone of this current team. Giannis and Jokic were not as good as they are today, but i guess their team saw the real potential to become what they are actually today. Lets put it this way, in my opinion Jimmy and Bam are not taking this team to a championship, now it is the front office's job to either add what we need or replace the whole thing.
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Tanking is not and has not ever been the answer. What is the most recent championship won by a tanking team? Im genuinely curious
Doesn’t really matter where you draft as long as you hit on your picks. We hit on Bam, Jaime and Jovic seem to be solid hits but we’ll see with more time if that’s the case, Herro hasn’t impacted winning. Picking Maxey over Precious could’ve been the game changer in us winning a championship tbh but you also can’t hit on them all. You need to draft good and you need to be able to attract elite talent, we have done both but now we have to capitalize on the elite talent that wants to join the team.
IceColdCubano wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Tanking is not and has not ever been the answer. What is the most recent championship won by a tanking team? Im genuinely curious
Doesn’t really matter where you draft as long as you hit on your picks. We hit on Bam, Jaime and Jovic seem to be solid hits but we’ll see with more time if that’s the case, Herro hasn’t impacted winning. Picking Maxey over Precious could’ve been the game changer in us winning a championship tbh but you also can’t hit on them all. You need to draft good and you need to be able to attract elite talent, we have done both but now we have to capitalize on the elite talent that wants to join the team.
It doens't work that way, your oversimplifying what tanking is to prove a point. Nuggets were bad at some point and drafted their main guys and eventually put pieces around them and they won a chip. San Antonio of the 2000's, Golden State, Lakers 2000's, Miami, Cleveland all were bad, got top talent then as their stars seasoned, they went and made trades and built championship cores.
The only team that are outliers like you say Were Miami Heat in Big Three Era but they had the foundation in Dwade whom was drafted. Lebron Lakers in the Bubble acquiring AD & Lebron through trades, Boston Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Rondo, Kevin Garnett, again they had the foundation piece in Paul Pierce.
You could say there are way more teams, that got a top tier top 5 player in the draft went a few years, built around that foundation players, made some trades and won chips or multiple chips.
What your not going to do is, tank one year, get a top 3 pick, get a premier superstar, go wreck the league in 1-2 years. No thats not how that works, those teams take 4-6 years to build to that level.
Just go out and say it, the truth is Miami Heat will not sacrifice the next 4-5 Years to build into another era, during Pat Riley's last years. When he steps down, whenever that is, that's when Miami may decide to go that route if at all. After Jimmy is gone, their going mid fiddle around Bam and try and stay competitive by going for older superstars whom ask out with only 3-4 years of shelf life remaining.
IceColdCubano wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Tanking is not and has not ever been the answer. What is the most recent championship won by a tanking team? Im genuinely curious
Doesn’t really matter where you draft as long as you hit on your picks. We hit on Bam, Jaime and Jovic seem to be solid hits but we’ll see with more time if that’s the case, Herro hasn’t impacted winning. Picking Maxey over Precious could’ve been the game changer in us winning a championship tbh but you also can’t hit on them all. You need to draft good and you need to be able to attract elite talent, we have done both but now we have to capitalize on the elite talent that wants to join the team.
It doens't work that way, your oversimplifying what tanking is to prove a point. Nuggets were bad at some point and drafted their main guys and eventually put pieces around them and they won a chip. San Antonio of the 2000's, Golden State, Lakers 2000's, Miami, Cleveland all were bad, got top talent then as their stars seasoned, they went and made trades and built championship cores.
The only team that are outliers like you say Were Miami Heat in Big Three Era but they had the foundation in Dwade whom was drafted. Lebron Lakers in the Bubble acquiring AD & Lebron through trades, Boston Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Rondo, Kevin Garnett, again they had the foundation piece in Paul Pierce.
You could say there are way more teams, that got a top tier top 5 player in the draft went a few years, built around that foundation players, made some trades and won chips or multiple chips.
What your not going to do is, tank one year, get a top 3 pick, get a premier superstar, go wreck the league in 1-2 years. No thats not how that works, those teams take 4-6 years to build to that level.
Just go out and say it, the truth is Miami Heat will not sacrifice the next 4-5 Years to build into another era, during Pat Riley's last years. When he steps down, whenever that is, that's when Miami may decide to go that route if at all. After Jimmy is gone, their going mid fiddle around Bam and try and stay competitive by going for older superstars whom ask out with only 3-4 years of shelf life remaining.
greg4012 wrote:IceColdCubano wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Tanking is not and has not ever been the answer. What is the most recent championship won by a tanking team? Im genuinely curious
Doesn’t really matter where you draft as long as you hit on your picks. We hit on Bam, Jaime and Jovic seem to be solid hits but we’ll see with more time if that’s the case, Herro hasn’t impacted winning. Picking Maxey over Precious could’ve been the game changer in us winning a championship tbh but you also can’t hit on them all. You need to draft good and you need to be able to attract elite talent, we have done both but now we have to capitalize on the elite talent that wants to join the team.
It doens't work that way, your oversimplifying what tanking is to prove a point. Nuggets were bad at some point and drafted their main guys and eventually put pieces around them and they won a chip. San Antonio of the 2000's, Golden State, Lakers 2000's, Miami, Cleveland all were bad, got top talent then as their stars seasoned, they went and made trades and built championship cores.
The only team that are outliers like you say Were Miami Heat in Big Three Era but they had the foundation in Dwade whom was drafted. Lebron Lakers in the Bubble acquiring AD & Lebron through trades, Boston Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Rondo, Kevin Garnett, again they had the foundation piece in Paul Pierce.
You could say there are way more teams, that got a top tier top 5 player in the draft went a few years, built around that foundation players, made some trades and won chips or multiple chips.
What your not going to do is, tank one year, get a top 3 pick, get a premier superstar, go wreck the league in 1-2 years. No thats not how that works, those teams take 4-6 years to build to that level.
Just go out and say it, the truth is Miami Heat will not sacrifice the next 4-5 Years to build into another era, during Pat Riley's last years. When he steps down, whenever that is, that's when Miami may decide to go that route if at all. After Jimmy is gone, their going mid fiddle around Bam and try and stay competitive by going for older superstars whom ask out with only 3-4 years of shelf life remaining.
Nuggets best player was a 2nd round pick
Jamal Murray is the only top 10 pick they drafted in their rotation. They picked up Aaron Gordon and KCP as veteran distressed assets in trades with sh**ty teams.
