2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoff Quest for a Title
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I’d be very disappointed if James Jones is kept around as GM. It’d be proof that Ishbia hasn’t learnt anything, and just wants a yes man for decisions that he makes himself.
Jones isn’t particularly to blame for the KD or Beal trades – those were very clearly Ishbia decisions. But he was responsible for all the tertiary moves, which included the Ayton trade, all the useless vet min signings, the decision to bring back nobody from last year’s roster (including guys like Payne, Craig or Landale who might have helped us somewhat) and also the roster construction which saw us have 4 shootings, 2 wings and 1 immobile center as part of our playoff rotation.
That apart, Jones has been part of two the worst decisions in franchise history (Ayton over Doncic and Smith over Haliburton), shown no interest in the draft or the undrafted pool, has consistently bled value on trades, and left us with no assets. How is this guy supposed to salvage what already looks like a very bleak situation for us?
When our only avenues to continue to be competitive this decade are late 1st rounders (2024, 2026, 2028, 2030), undrafted players and trades, we desperately need a competent GM, preferably one with a strong scouting and player development background.
I’d be looking at Trajan Langdon at New Orleans who’s been wanting to run his team for a while, and has a good recent draft record (Herb Jones at #35, Trey Murphy II at #17, Dyson Danieles at #8, Jordan Hawkins at #14, Jose Alvarado and Naji Marshall has undrafted guys).
Jones isn’t particularly to blame for the KD or Beal trades – those were very clearly Ishbia decisions. But he was responsible for all the tertiary moves, which included the Ayton trade, all the useless vet min signings, the decision to bring back nobody from last year’s roster (including guys like Payne, Craig or Landale who might have helped us somewhat) and also the roster construction which saw us have 4 shootings, 2 wings and 1 immobile center as part of our playoff rotation.
That apart, Jones has been part of two the worst decisions in franchise history (Ayton over Doncic and Smith over Haliburton), shown no interest in the draft or the undrafted pool, has consistently bled value on trades, and left us with no assets. How is this guy supposed to salvage what already looks like a very bleak situation for us?
When our only avenues to continue to be competitive this decade are late 1st rounders (2024, 2026, 2028, 2030), undrafted players and trades, we desperately need a competent GM, preferably one with a strong scouting and player development background.
I’d be looking at Trajan Langdon at New Orleans who’s been wanting to run his team for a while, and has a good recent draft record (Herb Jones at #35, Trey Murphy II at #17, Dyson Danieles at #8, Jordan Hawkins at #14, Jose Alvarado and Naji Marshall has undrafted guys).
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Give me KD to the Cavs for Jarrett Allen, Levert, and 1st round pick.
Get rid of Nurkic for Dennis shroder
Trade Beal to Chicago for a sign and trade for Demar Derozan - Alex caruso
Cavs run
Garland, Mitchell, Strus, KD, Mobley ****Pick up a SF
Bulls get Beal over Demar
Suns run
Shroeder / Caruso, Derozan, Booker, Levert , Allen
Get rid of Nurkic for Dennis shroder
Trade Beal to Chicago for a sign and trade for Demar Derozan - Alex caruso
Cavs run
Garland, Mitchell, Strus, KD, Mobley ****Pick up a SF
Bulls get Beal over Demar
Suns run
Shroeder / Caruso, Derozan, Booker, Levert , Allen
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Tanking setup?KdoubleDees23 wrote:Give me KD to the Cavs for Jarrett Allen, Levert, and 1st round pick.
Get rid of Nurkic for Dennis shroder
Trade Beal to Chicago for a sign and trade for Demar Derozan - Alex caruso
Cavs run
Garland, Mitchell, Strus, KD, Mobley ****Pick up a SF
Bulls get Beal over Demar
Suns run
Shroeder / Caruso, Derozan, Booker, Levert , Allen
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spanishninja wrote:Tanking setup?KdoubleDees23 wrote:Give me KD to the Cavs for Jarrett Allen, Levert, and 1st round pick.
Get rid of Nurkic for Dennis shroder
Trade Beal to Chicago for a sign and trade for Demar Derozan - Alex caruso
Cavs run
Garland, Mitchell, Strus, KD, Mobley ****Pick up a SF
Bulls get Beal over Demar
Suns run
Shroeder / Caruso, Derozan, Booker, Levert , Allen
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Doesn't matter. Cav owner and Ish HATE each other. Ishbia has said that he won't deal with them. As such:
We need to not have posts suggesting Cavs-Suns trades in our forum. They just won't happen. Ever.
Until 1 of the owners sell.
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RedIndian wrote:I’d be very disappointed if James Jones is kept around as GM. It’d be proof that Ishbia hasn’t learnt anything, and just wants a yes man for decisions that he makes himself.
Jones isn’t particularly to blame for the KD or Beal trades – those were very clearly Ishbia decisions. But he was responsible for all the tertiary moves, which included the Ayton trade, all the useless vet min signings, the decision to bring back nobody from last year’s roster (including guys like Payne, Craig or Landale who might have helped us somewhat) and also the roster construction which saw us have 4 shootings, 2 wings and 1 immobile center as part of our playoff rotation.
That apart, Jones has been part of two the worst decisions in franchise history (Ayton over Doncic and Smith over Haliburton), shown no interest in the draft or the undrafted pool, has consistently bled value on trades, and left us with no assets. How is this guy supposed to salvage what already looks like a very bleak situation for us?
When our only avenues to continue to be competitive this decade are late 1st rounders (2024, 2026, 2028, 2030), undrafted players and trades, we desperately need a competent GM, preferably one with a strong scouting and player development background.
I’d be looking at Trajan Langdon at New Orleans who’s been wanting to run his team for a while, and has a good recent draft record (Herb Jones at #35, Trey Murphy II at #17, Dyson Danieles at #8, Jordan Hawkins at #14, Jose Alvarado and Naji Marshall has undrafted guys).
If you tell me they are replacing James Jones with not somebody names Isiah Thomas, fine. But with that, not sure I want Jones gone
I don't think Jones had a say in the Doncic - my guess that was Bobby Sarver
But picking Smith over Haliburton, you are right there
I am open to whatever this offseason - if that means moving Booker and /or Durant - so be it.
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Slim Charless wrote:spanishninja wrote:Tanking setup?KdoubleDees23 wrote:Give me KD to the Cavs for Jarrett Allen, Levert, and 1st round pick.
Get rid of Nurkic for Dennis shroder
Trade Beal to Chicago for a sign and trade for Demar Derozan - Alex caruso
Cavs run
Garland, Mitchell, Strus, KD, Mobley ****Pick up a SF
Bulls get Beal over Demar
Suns run
Shroeder / Caruso, Derozan, Booker, Levert , Allen
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Doesn't matter. Cav owner and Ish HATE each other. Ishbia has said that he won't deal with them. As such:
We need to not have posts suggesting Cavs-Suns trades in our forum. They just won't happen. Ever.
Until 1 of the owners sell.
As a matter of fact, I'll make a prediction:
If the Cavs lose this series then they trade Mitchell to the Nets for ALL of our picks along with whatever filler is needed (CamJo and 1 other dude). Donavon wants to play in NYC and the Knicks are a no go. So he gets the next best thing in BRK.
Cavs owner gets a bonus in having stock in his hated rival Ishbia losing. Don't think for a second that he wouldn't enjoy rubbing that in Ish's face. Plus, CamJo would help that team's shooting anyways.
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The thing is though, That clearly you can't successfully "run it back" as is with this big three just to satiate ego and deflect from accountability by doubling down on your mistake!! Because if you do,
- You don't really get any better. And you're really only helping BOTH Brooklyn and Washington to a much higher lotto pick at our expense.
- You obviously maintain a slow decline into inevitable mediocrity anyways as a perennial "first round flame out" treadmill team.
- You're obviously not competing for a championship. At best your (at this point and going forward first round sacrifical lamb for the bigger, stronger, younger, more hungry and significantly more athletic and more physical next gen upstart teams already surpassing us!
- You widely become the consensus laughing stock of the entire league labeled as a futile playoff pretender that really has no future and no options to pivot because you waited too long out of sheer stubborn pride to accept reality and change course.
- Finally you go down in history as one of the very worst and most selfish, deluded ignorant owners along with "Saver" to take accountability and save the franchise's future by admitting your mistakes and salvaging what you can before you have no options left in any capacity.
- Finally after two or three more losing seasons falling short of expectations, Booker demands out, because he wants to legitimately compete in the final years of his prime rather than be ob a fake pretender playoff team with no way to get better because you chose to sit and watch everything fall apart instead of taking decisive action when you actually had an opportunity to change things!
And if you let foolish pride override sanity and accountability, The fanbase will loathe you to the point of running you out of town and you'll also wear the title of worst NBA owner in sports history wherever you go! Overall Ishbias' decisions to either run it back or to be smart and pivot before it's completely too late depends upon his level of testicular fortitude, willingness to put his big boy pants on and take accountability for making a mistake although genuinely trying! Bcause at least that way he can still endear himself to this fanbase and save face by saving our future! As long as he's willing to put his pride and ego aside and do what's best for the team and the city!
- You don't really get any better. And you're really only helping BOTH Brooklyn and Washington to a much higher lotto pick at our expense.
- You obviously maintain a slow decline into inevitable mediocrity anyways as a perennial "first round flame out" treadmill team.
- You're obviously not competing for a championship. At best your (at this point and going forward first round sacrifical lamb for the bigger, stronger, younger, more hungry and significantly more athletic and more physical next gen upstart teams already surpassing us!
- You widely become the consensus laughing stock of the entire league labeled as a futile playoff pretender that really has no future and no options to pivot because you waited too long out of sheer stubborn pride to accept reality and change course.
- Finally you go down in history as one of the very worst and most selfish, deluded ignorant owners along with "Saver" to take accountability and save the franchise's future by admitting your mistakes and salvaging what you can before you have no options left in any capacity.
- Finally after two or three more losing seasons falling short of expectations, Booker demands out, because he wants to legitimately compete in the final years of his prime rather than be ob a fake pretender playoff team with no way to get better because you chose to sit and watch everything fall apart instead of taking decisive action when you actually had an opportunity to change things!
And if you let foolish pride override sanity and accountability, The fanbase will loathe you to the point of running you out of town and you'll also wear the title of worst NBA owner in sports history wherever you go! Overall Ishbias' decisions to either run it back or to be smart and pivot before it's completely too late depends upon his level of testicular fortitude, willingness to put his big boy pants on and take accountability for making a mistake although genuinely trying! Bcause at least that way he can still endear himself to this fanbase and save face by saving our future! As long as he's willing to put his pride and ego aside and do what's best for the team and the city!
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MrMiyagi wrote:Are you insinuating that Stephen A has personal motivation to say that Booker wants to be on the New York Knicks?TeamTragic wrote:The media already circling the wagons with stupid bull.
What else is new right?
Sometimes SAS can be a real arse clown. He's even going at KD for getting swept in the playoffs. Its a part of the game, you have your ups and you have your downs. At the end of the day no will remember Kd for getting swept in a playoff series but I'll remember him as one of the greats. For those who bring up his 2 chips with GSW, I guarantee that GSW wouldn't won those without Kd. The media needs to stop going at this man.
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KdoubleDees23 wrote:Give me KD to the Cavs for Jarrett Allen, Levert, and 1st round pick.
Get rid of Nurkic for Dennis shroder
Trade Beal to Chicago for a sign and trade for Demar Derozan - Alex caruso
Cavs run
Garland, Mitchell, Strus, KD, Mobley ****Pick up a SF
Bulls get Beal over Demar
Suns run
Shroeder / Caruso, Derozan, Booker, Levert , Allen
That makes my stomach hurt!
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Ghost of Kleine wrote:The thing is though, That clearly you can't successfully "run it back" as is with this big three just to satiate ego and deflect from accountability by doubling down on your mistake!! Because if you do,
- You don't really get any better. And you're really only helping BOTH Brooklyn and Washington to a much higher lotto pick at our expense.
- You obviously maintain a slow decline into inevitable mediocrity anyways as a perennial "first round flame out" treadmill team.
- You're obviously not competing for a championship. At best your (at this point and going forward first round sacrifical lamb for the bigger, stronger, younger, more hungry and significantly more athletic and more physical next gen upstart teams already surpassing us!
- You widely become the consensus laughing stock of the entire league labeled as a futile playoff pretender that really has no future and no options to pivot because you waited too long out of sheer stubborn pride to accept reality and change course.
- Finally you go down in history as one of the very worst and most selfish, deluded ignorant owners along with "Saver" to take accountability and save the franchise's future by admitting your mistakes and salvaging what you can before you have no options left in any capacity.
- Finally after two or three more losing seasons falling short of expectations, Booker demands out, because he wants to legitimately compete in the final years of his prime rather than be ob a fake pretender playoff team with no way to get better because you chose to sit and watch everything fall apart instead of taking decisive action when you actually had an opportunity to change things!
And if you let foolish pride override sanity and accountability, The fanbase will loathe you to the point of running you out of town and you'll also wear the title of worst NBA owner in sports history wherever you go! Overall Ishbias' decisions to either run it back or to be smart and pivot before it's completely too late depends upon his level of testicular fortitude, willingness to put his big boy pants on and take accountability for making a mistake although genuinely trying! Bcause at least that way he can still endear himself to this fanbase and save face by saving our future! As long as he's willing to put his pride and ego aside and do what's best for the team and the city!
Suns organization need to be honest with themselves. Sure, they can run it back but if it doesn't work, might set your team back farther as you might have players teams want this year and trade for but not next year.
If the team needs to move on from Durant - so be it
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bwgood77 wrote:Spoiler:
The premise that the suns have no options to run it back is completely asinine and inaccurate. I find it funny whenever these NBA experts start out their diatribes with "The suns have no options now but to try and run it back"!! and then shortly later, they begin postulating on various KD and/or Booker possibilities! I mean obviously, The suns have three distinct options they can legitimately choose from! Each with it's own benefits and it's own indirect tehthered consequences:
Option #1-
Run it back with little to no improvements (simply because we have no assets to legit improve)!!
The glaringly obvious risks here with this is:
1- Injury history. This last season, Our team has experienced an absolutely outlier run of our big three and starters staying healthy when history has overwhelmingly shown them not to be. And if any of them go down for any significant time, we'll easily not even make the playoffs and finish even worse than this last season, while our pick (If we even had one) would be the very last in the first round AND Kds' value declines further!
2- KD our only viable asset of value aside from Booker will significantly decrease due to contract getting shorter, potential injury and age concerns too!
3- Every other team around us that we have to compete against will get even stronger and further progressionally than we will, as we just continue to decline even further whilestill accruing exponential penalties.
Option #2-
Just trade KD and retool around a Book and Beal backcourt.
This option is the most obvious and logically responsible path for us to still stay competitive and recoup some assets and depth pieces for a viable future going forward. The only consequences of this would be a blow to Ishbias' ego having to admit he was overtly impulsive and made a rash decision without thinking things through fully. And the other consequence would be that we could no longer promote a big three superteam that really didn't function together anyways!! Honestly it could thusly be argued that this path really offers little to no down sides or poor outcomes/consequences aside from t being splashy on paper!
Option #3-
Blow it all up by trading BOTH KD and Booker for as much young talent and assets to try and catch back up to this next generation of incoming young superstar teams.
This one is easily the most extreme, But perhaps clearly much better in the long run for our franchise than simply doubling down on our mistake and riding out the next few seasons as an underperforming treadmill "play in" team with declining assets and no cap space or draft picks and a dismal future of very long, very painful rebuild just to try and keep our owner from having to feel feeling embarrassed because he made a rash and impulsive decision! In this one, We trade KD and Booker and likely Nurkic too. We do this to completely load up on young, promising talent, a ton of draft picks to use for adding more talent, or to bank away for when one of theses younger (still in their prime) star players becomes available while also adding high end talent and pursuing potential star talent in the coming drafts! The 25' draft by the way If we just happen to move KD by the trade deadline, Is completely loaded with high end talent and potential star level talent too! The benefit of this is we'd have a great long term future! And young intriguing players that are exciting and wouldn't financially cripple us moving forward. The consequence is that we wouldn't have an aging "BIG THREE" to look impressive on paper, and we surely wouldn't be in the playoffs for a few years!! But then again, we won't be as is going forward either.
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spanishninja wrote:Tanking setup?KdoubleDees23 wrote:Give me KD to the Cavs for Jarrett Allen, Levert, and 1st round pick.
Get rid of Nurkic for Dennis shroder
Trade Beal to Chicago for a sign and trade for Demar Derozan - Alex caruso
Cavs run
Garland, Mitchell, Strus, KD, Mobley ****Pick up a SF
Bulls get Beal over Demar
Suns run
Shroeder / Caruso, Derozan, Booker, Levert , Allen
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Allen is a stud!
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I think the honest truth is...... what can the suns get for Beal? Where would he like to go.
Beal to LA for Hachimara & Russell?
Beal to Mia for Terry Rozier & Duncan Robinson?
There isn't much out there
Beal to LA for Hachimara & Russell?
Beal to Mia for Terry Rozier & Duncan Robinson?
There isn't much out there
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KdoubleDees23 wrote:I think the honest truth is...... what can the suns get for Beal? Where would he like to go.
Beal to LA for Hachimara & Russell?
Beal to Mia for Terry Rozier & Duncan Robinson?
There isn't much out there
Beal to Mia for Herro & Jovic
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KdoubleDees23 wrote:spanishninja wrote:Tanking setup?KdoubleDees23 wrote:Give me KD to the Cavs for Jarrett Allen, Levert, and 1st round pick.
Get rid of Nurkic for Dennis shroder
Trade Beal to Chicago for a sign and trade for Demar Derozan - Alex caruso
Cavs run
Garland, Mitchell, Strus, KD, Mobley ****Pick up a SF
Bulls get Beal over Demar
Suns run
Shroeder / Caruso, Derozan, Booker, Levert , Allen
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Allen is a stud!
yeah but we lose a lot of playmaking in this case.
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The biggest question that we should really all be asking aside from how to fix things and maybe find a way to give us a future again is that ( as garrick mentioned previously) Kevin Durant has an extension that he is eligible for this July.
Now we have to decide if ( at 36 yrs old), do we really intend to offer Durant a big contract to resign through years 36, 37, 38 yrs old?? Knowing that if we do, we'll for sure be horribly handcuffed even longer financially with a severely restrictive future.
Now IF we at any moment pause hard and have doubts about doing this, then shouldn't it be obvious that we should be aggressively looking at trading Durant?? Because it either comes down to trading him before July or committing a huge chunk of our cap space to him as he nears age 38-40. And if we choose to do that, we can kiss any hope of future flexibility Goodbye!!!
And then we'll be looking at an even longer and more painful rebuild than we've gone through before.
Now we have to decide if ( at 36 yrs old), do we really intend to offer Durant a big contract to resign through years 36, 37, 38 yrs old?? Knowing that if we do, we'll for sure be horribly handcuffed even longer financially with a severely restrictive future.
Now IF we at any moment pause hard and have doubts about doing this, then shouldn't it be obvious that we should be aggressively looking at trading Durant?? Because it either comes down to trading him before July or committing a huge chunk of our cap space to him as he nears age 38-40. And if we choose to do that, we can kiss any hope of future flexibility Goodbye!!!
And then we'll be looking at an even longer and more painful rebuild than we've gone through before.
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Ghost of Kleine wrote:The biggest question that we should really all be asking aside from how to fix things and maybe find a way to give us a future again is that ( as garrick mentioned previously) Kevin Durant has an extension that he is eligible for this July.
Now we have to decide if ( at 36 yrs old), do we really intend to offer Durant a big contract to resign through years 36, 37, 38 yrs old?? Knowing that if we do, we'll for sure be horribly handcuffed even longer financially with a severely restrictive future.
Now IF we at any moment pause hard and have doubts about doing this, then shouldn't it be obvious that we should be aggressively looking at trading Durant?? Because it either comes down to trading him before July or committing a huge chunk of our cap space to him as he nears age 38-40. And if we choose to do that, we can kiss any hope of future flexibility Goodbye!!!
And then we'll be looking at an even longer and more painful rebuild than we've gone through before.
Ghost we need playmakers desperately.
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I have no words for this team. All season we suffering fans put up with the lackluster and uninspired play by excusing it as this team is coasting and saving their best for the playoffs. The warts were out there for all to see, yet we buried our heads in the sand.
I don't know where to go from here. Were capped out with zero roster flexibility and stuck with 3 max players that look like they don't like playing with each other. I can't see Ishbia running it back next season with the same core given this humiliation, and sad as it is I think we may have seen the last of Book in a Suns uniform. He's the only one that has enough value to restock this roster. Selling low on Beal (zero value right now) would be madness when we have **** all assets to play with in the first place.
I don't know where to go from here. Were capped out with zero roster flexibility and stuck with 3 max players that look like they don't like playing with each other. I can't see Ishbia running it back next season with the same core given this humiliation, and sad as it is I think we may have seen the last of Book in a Suns uniform. He's the only one that has enough value to restock this roster. Selling low on Beal (zero value right now) would be madness when we have **** all assets to play with in the first place.
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Revived wrote:Mulhollanddrive wrote:We have 2 years of winning playoffs after 10 years of rebuilding and we want to go back to 10 years of rebuilding?
I reckon Mike Dantoni would win us 60 games with this roster with the appropriate leadership.
You realize we have crappy rebuilding because we had terrible people making decisions right?
Look at OKC. They were contenders for years then they sucked and rebuild for 4-5 years and they’re good again and will be contenders for years to come. Because they actually have a good GM making decisions.
Look at Minnesota….they sucked forever, hired a smart assistant GM from Denver and they rebuild and are contenders now for years to come.
Rebuilding isn’t a bad or super slow strategy in general. It only becomes that if you have a shtty GM. If Ishbia can hire someone like Bob Myers then a rebuild would take about as long as OKC did.
Wouldn't put Minny on that same list, yet. They had a great regular season, Gobert is having a 2nd wind of sorts for his career and Ant is cementing himself as one of the best players in the league (as you would expect from a highly touted #1 pick). But let's see how far they go before we consider them perennial contender especially when this is the first season they are considered a contender.
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